The RedCafe Boxing Thread

AJ's best quality is his power and Wilder is likely even more powerful than him. AJ is never going to out-box Fury. He only has a punchers chance and will need to get lucky to beat Fury, that's the only way I see him winning.
AJ is superior in everything except power compared to Wilder (and even there it is just marginal difference).

I think that Fury is favorite, but Joshua is no joke. He can box and when he catches Fury, Fury will have problems. Fury has showed that he can eat a big punch or two though.

My prediction is that if the fight happens next year, Fury would win 8 rounds or so and get a comfortable victory. At the same time, it is heavy weight division which means that AJ can KO Fury (or at least KD him), so it can go either way. I would guess something like 70% for Fury and the remaining for Joshua.
 
Got to wait until you can safely fill out Wembley. Furys faced better boxers than AJ though. I just think there are levels to this and Fury is standing on top of the mountain. That doesn't mean AJ CAN'T beat Fury on one night. But if they fought 10 times, I'd favour Fury to win 8.
 
If I were Fury if take it ASAP, Joshua is no natural, but under the guise of McKracken, he's becoming more and more ring crafty and the later Fury leaves it the more AJ will improve. That said, fury would favourite of course, but I'm not counting AJ out. No way.

Yeah I agree, AJ looked impressive at the weekend and has always seems to be disciplined in regard to his trainers advice.

I'd put Fury as favourite but I don't buy in to people saying AJ has no chance in the fight, he's a hugely dangerous fighter and is chalking up an impressive CV (more impressive than Furys)
 
Joshua has to be the most overhyped athlete in history, it’s so cringeworthy. Being the massive bitch that he is, that’s quite an achievement.

The “he hasn’t fought anyone good enough” argument isn’t even necessary - remember he got humiliated by an overweight schoolboy last year.

If you guys want to actually assess him as a boxer then you need to take off your Sky blinkers. He’s a much better Instagram feckboy than he is a boxer, which makes sense given how insecure he is.

And regarding that weird comment a few posts above about this being a race issue - no, I would consider Lewis Hamilton an absolute legend in his field. If you genuinely think anyone who doesn’t love AJ is a racist then you’ve completely lost it.

This post says more about you than it does about Joshua.
 
Froch on Joshua facing Fury..

“But I don’t think he’s that close to Fury, I really don’t. Based on his loss to Ruiz and the rematch with Ruiz.

“If I was managing him or promoting him, I wouldn’t wanna see Anthony Joshua go in there with Tyson Fury now.

“I’d be concerned about that fight and I think a lot of people would pick Tyson Fury to win.”
 
I think he has to be fair, when he fought klitschko

A gun-shy Klitschko isn't really a good measuring stick when going up against Joshua.

AJ also has one big thing that Klitschko didn't, the ability to fight inside. If you stay at the end of Fury's jab, he'll run rings round you.
 
Yeah I agree, AJ looked impressive at the weekend and has always seems to be disciplined in regard to his trainers advice.

I'd put Fury as favourite but I don't buy in to people saying AJ has no chance in the fight, he's a hugely dangerous fighter and is chalking up an impressive CV (more impressive than Furys)

The problem with the sort of people saying that AJ has no chance is they'll have an excuse even if AJ won.

I had Fury an 80/20 favourite a couple of years ago. I put it more at 60/40 now. AJ has improved his movement and his jab, he can box and fight.

Fury on the other hand has demonstrated he can also fight(mixing it with Wilder), but if he was tempted to try and show his power against AJ, he'd likely get caught with an uppercut like everyone else.

His chin isn't as strong as Ruiz and he doesn't hit as hard either, so when people use a loss against Ruiz to downplay AJ they are missing the mark completely.

Fury is a sublime boxer but people make out he doesn't get him. He's been caught in every fight he's been in(including against very average opponents), except against gun-shy Klitschko. WHEN AJ clips him it'll be interesting to see if he can survive.
 
Froch on Joshua facing Fury..

Odd from Froch.

Ruiz has the best chin in the division and is one of the hardest hitters.
Fury’s chin is ok and he’s not a big hitter.

If Ruiz had outboxed Joshua I’d understand why he’s looking at it like that, but AJ can box completely differently than he could against Ruiz.

Yes, Fury would toy with Ruiz and he’d look better beating him than AJ did in fight 2, but that’s because it’s tailor made for Fury to do just that. It’s almost alien to AJ to be forced to fight that way, and as I say, Fury has neither the chin nor the power to force AJ to fight that way.

AJ will once again rely on his power to beat Fury, something that shocked him to his core when he couldn’t vs. Ruiz.
 
Timing is everything. He's right of course, but when I expect it will be a lot closer than people think by the time this comes acround.

Boxing is fought on such razor thin lines, especially at heavyweight, that it is hard to deny that AJ has a chance. He's got power and he is therefore a threat to Fury. But that is as far as I go.

Odd from Froch.

Ruiz has the best chin in the division and is one of the hardest hitters.
Fury’s chin is ok and he’s not a big hitter.

If Ruiz had outboxed Joshua I’d understand why he’s looking at it like that, but AJ can box completely differently than he could against Ruiz.

Yes, Fury would toy with Ruiz and he’d look better beating him than AJ did in fight 2, but that’s because it’s tailor made for Fury to do just that. It’s almost alien to AJ to be forced to fight that way, and as I say, Fury has neither the chin nor the power to force AJ to fight that way.

AJ will once again rely on his power to beat Fury, something that shocked him to his core when he couldn’t vs. Ruiz.

Fury might not be a big hitter, but he'll be a test that Joshua has never faced. He's awkward, he's got a great defence and he'll match him up for size. No doubt, Fury is the better and more technically gifted fighter.

The next problem for AJ is threefold.

One, Fury has shown in his last fight that, when he wants to, he can come and fight on the front foot and beat a very dangerous opponent down.

Two, AJ to me, looks gun-shy. I might be wrong, but I feel like that loss vs Ruiz has brought him back down to the reality of heavyweight boxing and he's mentally trying to find himself again. I can only imagine the questions he will be asking himself inside about Fury, no matter what sort of front he is putting on.

And lastly, he's still not a boxer. The commentators and posters on here say he has shown he can box, but I disagree. Especially at the top level. I watch him try to fight on the back foot and it reminds me of sparring/training with other amateurs. Basic movements with no afterthought, no disguise, no feints, no variety, upright stiff stance etc etc. You pretty much know what you get with AJ and a really smart boxer in Fury will have him figured out. He'll time him well and catch him, he's just too predictable and is there to be hit. His defence is severely average and his chin is under question too. You talk about Fury's chin, but only one of them has ever been stopped. And that was by a Ruiz that has 22/33 KO rate, which I'd say is fairly average.

I think the Klitschko fights tell the tale of this fight. AJ got dragged into a war and knocked down by and ageing fighter, whilst Fury just took him to school and it was never a contest.
 
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I think it’s a very interesting fight. Fury is certainly the better boxer but Joshua is improving all the time and has the better power.

Whilst I would favour Fury... AJ is a very live underdog. Was listening to the old interview with Fury before where he had just sparred a young AJ and had nothing but praise for him and said he wasn’t ashamed to admit that the young AJ actually put a beating on him. It certainly makes for an intriguing fight.
 
A gun-shy Klitschko isn't really a good measuring stick when going up against Joshua.

AJ also has one big thing that Klitschko didn't, the ability to fight inside. If you stay at the end of Fury's jab, he'll run rings round you.

Why do you think Klitschko was gun shy.... Go back and watch Aj in the first two rounds vs Pulev. He was tentative and calculating Pulevs feints. Once he knew he had little to worry about he opened up. It'll be threefold vs Fury.
 
Why do you think Klitschko was gun shy.... Go back and watch Aj in the first two rounds vs Pulev. He was tentative and calculating Pulevs feints. Once he knew he had little to worry about he opened up. It'll be threefold vs Fury.

So can you not tell the difference between a gun shy Klitscko who barely threw a right hand against a relatively soft puncher in Fury vs a patient approach to create an opening like AJ shown against Pulev?
 
Boxing is fought on such razor thin lines, especially at heavyweight, that it is hard to deny that AJ has a chance. He's got power and he is therefore a threat to Fury. But that is as far as I go.



Fury might not be a big hitter, but he'll be a test that Joshua has never faced. He's awkward, he's got a great defence and he'll match him up for size. No doubt, Fury is the better and more technically gifted fighter.

The next problem for AJ is threefold.

One, Fury has shown in his last fight that, when he wants to, he can come and fight on the front foot and beat a very dangerous opponent down.

Two, AJ to me, looks gun-shy. I might be wrong, but I feel like that loss vs Ruiz has brought him back down to the reality of heavyweight boxing and he's mentally trying to find himself again. I can only imagine the questions he will be asking himself inside about Fury, no matter what sort of front he is putting on.

And lastly, he's still not a boxer. The commentators and posters on here say he has shown he can box, but I disagree. Especially at the top level. I watch him try to fight on the back foot and it reminds me of sparring/training with other amateurs. Basic movements with no afterthought, no disguise, no feints, no variety, upright stiff stance etc etc. You pretty much know what you get with AJ and a really smart boxer in Fury will have him figured out. He'll time him well and catch him, he's just too predictable and is there to be hit. His defence is severely average and his chin is under question too. You talk about Fury's chin, but only one of them has ever been stopped. And that was by a Ruiz that has 22/33 KO rate, which I'd say is fairly average.

I think the Klitschko fights tell the tale of this fight. AJ got dragged into a war and knocked down by and ageing fighter, whilst Fury just took him to school and it was never a contest.

I'm sorry but you don't get to be Olympic gold medalist and two times HW champ beating everyone put in front of you without being able to box and hes only getting better.

Dont claim he cant box just because hes not a fluid as the phenomenon that is Tyson Fury.
 
Odd from Froch.

Ruiz has the best chin in the division and is one of the hardest hitters.
Fury’s chin is ok and he’s not a big hitter.

If Ruiz had outboxed Joshua I’d understand why he’s looking at it like that, but AJ can box completely differently than he could against Ruiz.

Yes, Fury would toy with Ruiz and he’d look better beating him than AJ did in fight 2, but that’s because it’s tailor made for Fury to do just that. It’s almost alien to AJ to be forced to fight that way, and as I say, Fury has neither the chin nor the power to force AJ to fight that way.

AJ will once again rely on his power to beat Fury, something that shocked him to his core when he couldn’t vs. Ruiz.
Fury’s chin is great, not ok. He took two hits that would have put to sleep the majority of boxers, Joshua included, and not only survived the remaining of the round, but looked the better boxer.
 
Fury’s chin is great, not ok. He took two hits that would have put to sleep the majority of boxers, Joshua included, and not only survived the remaining of the round, but looked the better boxer.

He went down like a sack of shit and managed to make it up on a 9.5 count.
GGG has a great chin, Ruiz has a great chin. Great chins swallow even huge punches.

What Fury showed was ridiculous powers of recovery, absolutely insane.
 
I'm guessing this isn't on Sky Sports? Not seen anything on Sky Sports News over last few days and if they don't have the rights to something they tend to pretend it doesn't exist.
I think it is exclusively on DAZN, which is proper bullshit..
 
Anybody watching the GGG fight love him probably my favourite fighter bar Pac-Man
 
Triple G looks great but this guy has no business being in there with him
 
This guy is the mandatory challenge! Completely out of his depth.