I wouldn't say went to war. More like he didn't throw a punch for 11 rounds and then complained about his toe.
Haye was an elite level cruiserweight and a good level heavyweight, but he was never at Wlad's level.
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Haye was an elite level cruiserweight and a good level heavyweight, but he was never at Wlad's level.
I agree with this. A fit Haye beats any sort of Bellew 10/10 times. At his best he's in a different category to Bellew who is a journeyman.
Hahaha really? i thought he gave it a proper fight. But true, Wlad was another level altogether
The fight I want to see is Chisora/Whyte 2. feck the Haye fight.
Exactly this.
I'm not a fan of Bellew but I reckon he beats Parker (I think Haye does to.) I think Whyte and Chisora both beat him as well.
Haye is done. Obviously a fully fit Haye beats Bellew, but his body has given up on him now.
Yep, all of those fighters would KO him imo. Parker is the worst heavyweight champion I can remember.
Gotta love Loma. I got tickets for the Rigondeaux fight. Can't wait! I think he will dominate but you'd have to go back a long way to the last time there was that much Boxing skill and ring IQ in the same ring.
Charles Martin the guy that Joshua beat to win the title is about as bad as it gets.
Think it's great how many fights you get too mate. Pity for me, most of the fights I'm interested in are stateside! The LA boxing scene seems crazy good right now, and NY not too shabby either.
Can't wait to see Loma against Rigo, the more I think about it the less sure I am. Still, I'd give Loma the edge not too mention that he's the bigger man and there's a rehydration clause set at 134. Fight can't come soon enough!
Yeah, we have it good in LA because it's such a hotbed for Boxing and Vegas is close by so if something good pops up he's an easy decision. New York has been getting more and more action and the majority to close out the year. I haven't been to a NYC fight since Trinidad vs. Mayorga in 2004 so felt inclined to go to Loma-Rigo especially since I didn't go to GGG-Canelo.
Didn't know there was a dehydration clause. That's fair though. It's essentially a skill match, but I think Lomachenko will just overwhelm him after a close 2-3 rounds because he's got much more athleticism and punch resistance not to mention he throws punches and bunches with intelligence against Rigo's one at a time expert timing style.
Agreed, I too forget at times just how badly Haye battered Chisora. I mean he smacked him in Germany at the Klitchko presser and beat up his bodyguard when Chisora acted all hard walking upto him then went on to completely drill him in the ring. Chisora is crap, technique wise, but as we saw against Whyte, is hard as nails. Klitchko didn't ko him and although Tyston Fury beat him twice he didn't smash him like Haye did, despite Fury being like 9" biggger.
Their fight wase ace, a proper punch drunk creating dust up. That table throwing presser from Chisora was soo good too. He's mad.
You could be right, lets see. I'm a Haye fan, simply because he's fast, powerfuly, slick and a good boxer, he also brings drama. His shoulder was the big problem post Klitchko which prevented the Tyson Fury fights from going ahead (with a cut thrown in), but against Bellew it was a different injury so I'll give him another chance. Its not like its Ryan Giggs who's constantly having a hamstring injury or Jack Wilshere who's ankle is made of fibreglass. He eats well, stays in shape all the time and has the power to put Bellew in real trouble, whereas we saw, Bellew doesn't have any power to trouble Haye.
Bellew has a good chance based on the past, in that if Haye gets injured again or is hiding a problem then he'll get a points win or cheap TKO again and go on to face Parker who he should beat. Both Parker and Bellew will think they have an easier fight that the ones they'll be getting in the HW scene, (Wilder, Fury, Joshua etc). Bellews problem is IF Haye has no injury, and if Haye face Parker its another world title for Haye.
The dream scenario is that Haye beat Bellew, beats Parker, faces Wilder beats him then has a dust up against Joshua for the lot and at that point the champion has put away the sweets and crisps for a year and is in fighting shape to take on the winner. Will that happen? Yeah United might win the quad this year...
I'd be surprised if Fury fights again to be honest and if he does he will be nowhere near level he was. Equally his famous performance has now been overshadowed by Joshua one upping him with his.
Joshua has come on loads since he started where people were saying he is knocking out bums (rightfully and I said the same.) He looks to be getting better each fight where as Fury is currently obese and in no condition to fight and even if he is he won't get to that level I don't think.
I just think Fury is all hot air. He talked his way into a shot beat a disinterested opponent and didn't fancy his chances of repeating the success and didn't want to be found out. He seems completely jealous of Joshua and the attention he gets but he's only willing to talk trash on him not actually engage him in the ring.
Just my opinion though.
Fury is still the The Ring Heavyweight Champ, and that’s what really matters
Not really. They have broken their own policy multiple times and especially on Fury.
They stripped Adonis Stevenson for "not fighting anyone in the top 10" for 3 years which is a correct decision IMO but wasn't in the rules BUT they have kept Fury as it's champion despite no fight in 2 years. Their policy states if you don't fight or have a fight scheduled for 12 months you are stripped and out of the rankings.
Nope. He hasn't fought in 2 years, so by their policy, he should have been stripped of the title already.
I agree. His claim of being demotivated after winning the belt and having reached the pinnacle of boxing was just so he didn’t have to defend it. He didn’t want to face challengers like Joshua because he knew there was a good chance he could lose and with it his unblemished record.
So if he fights no one and for the next 40 years he can claim to be the worlds oldest champ too.
He's said he's not reapplying for his license so should get stripped since it's clear he's not going to fight anytime soon. I doubt he's going to start fighting over here suddenly.
The true Heavyweight champ will be determined hopefully in the first quarter of next year as it appears the promoters and networks are moving to a Joshua-Wilder match. I hope to god that happens in Vegas
Not sure why the Ring belt matters so much to anyone really.......Canelo holds the MW one, yet the Ring has GGG has their number 1 pound for pound fighter.....you know.
It used to be good and was a great concept but over time is almost useless. They bent the rules multiple times.
This is total nonsense IMO. Come on now. Fury and his familly are mental, they're travellers and into fighting, I doubt they are scared of anyone and that's before we get onto what Tyson Fury actually did boxing wise. He signed up to fight David Haye who was/is a very dangerous, powerful fighter, twice, he got annoyed that it didn't happen and then went and fought Wlladimir Klitchko in Germany and won with ease, with his hands down behind his back at one point. Klitchko had a bruised up face and couldn't get near Fury. Yet now Joshua has knocked out Wlad late on, all of a sudden it was a disinteressed or past it Wlad at the time Fury fought him. Lets not forget that Joshua got put down badly in his home country.
Regardless or what you think of Wlad then and now, there is no way you can accuse Fury of being scared to face challengers, no way at all.
I think its just a case of what we see in everyday peoples lives and in sportsmens lives too, Fury has familly, kids, likes going out and eating bags of crap from Spar or whatever it was. He's the Anderson, Hatton, Gasgcoine of the HW division. I do think also, probably because of how he eats and drinks, is very up and down. One minute he thinks he's capable of anything and loves boxing, the next he hates it and wants to quit. One day he tweets this then he's retiring. He's very Ronnie O'sullivan.
Scared? No chance. As Deonty Wilder recently said, Fury, not Joshua set all this up and freed up things.
That’s an awful lot of typing to miss the point completely.
Where have I said he was scared of Joshua, of anyone? It’s the prospect of losing that scares him, not the boxers themselves. He’s talked such a big game for so long, comparing himself to Ali and talking down anyone who might challenge him and now he is at the point of having to back those words up. He doesn’t want to. He quits boxing now and he leaves with an undefeated record and a world title. He can talk himself up as one of the greatest boxers ever with the knowledge he has these as proof.
He’s had one fight of any worth, ONE. It’s strange, don’t you think, that this unhealthy lifestyle only seemed to effect his ability to box once he won the belt against a disinterested Klitschko?
Oh no, having faced a grand total of 0 challengers proves he’s ready to take on anyone at any time.
It’s blatantly obvious the boxer Fury faced was a shadow of the one Joshua did. Truly astonishing someone could claim otherwise.
Fury is Lomachenko compared to Joshua. Wlad was always going to do better against an orthodox upright fighter like Joshua.
I think it's a bit harsh to say he doesn't fight cos of fear of losing or whatever. The guy has mental health issues and I think it goes deeper than boxing or our entertainment.
As I've said I doubt he fights again at a high level and if he does I think he'll lose, I just don't think his heart or head is in it anymore. I would never criticise the guy for it though he's clearly got a lot of issues and it's more important he addresses them than fights.
As I've said I doubt he fights again at a high level and if he does I think he'll lose, I just don't think his heart or head is in it anymore. I would never criticise the guy for it though he's clearly got a lot of issues and it's more important he addresses them than fights.
Eubank-Yildirim has heated up. I haven't seen that much of Yildirim but he appears to have a good amateur background and I heard he's been a beast in sparring with top fighters around that weight class (think he busted DeGale up knocked his teeth out). Looking at the odds though Eubank heavily favored. Looking forward to this one. Any idea what time the main event will be?
Great post.
Just no. Golovkin has absolutely no punch guile or pedigree to K.O a fighter barely anyone has come close to hitting flush. For all the huffing and puffing, Golovkin would be completely out of his depth against a prime Mayweather easily outscored and beaten on points. Floyd also wouldn't take the fight at any weight he felt he couldn't win at so that would be a non-starter for Golovkin.
Golovkin walking into punches in a bid to close off the ring and do some damage to Mayweather is not possible. He'll eat some and then get slipped time and time and time again. He'd look amatuerish with that style against Mayweather and be chasing shadows or punching elbows, forearms and guard all night.
GGG v mayweather would just be a rerun of the de la Hoya fight but a tad closer
De La Hoya was superior to GGG when it comes to technique, but GGG has both much more power on his hands and a better chin. I think that while Mayweather easily outpoints GGG, GGG would have had a really good chance at KO May. For a start, he would have totally disrespected Mayweather's power and while May would have got clean hits that would have given him rounds, that wouldn't have done much damage to GGG. At the other side, a clean hit from GGG sends Mayweather at the floor.
Could May survive 12 rounds? Probably yes, we are talking for one of the best boxers ever and the best defensive boxer in the history of the sport. But I think that GGG is too big and too strong for him.
Also, don't forget, De La Hoya match was quite close and May won in a split decision.
If it was at a catch-weight of 157 GGG would wreck him IMO. The size, the pressure would break him. I realize Floyd is the better fighter and all but I wouldn't like that match for him. Remember at 135 Jose Luis Castillo was too much for him first time around and he was lucky to get a gift decision.
Do you think GGG is a better boxer than DLH? I mean actual boxing - what he does with his hands?
Mayweather would see everything he does a mile off; I just see no way he lands anything clean on him at any time. Even on the inside, it's pointless. Floyd is a horrendous stylistic matchup for GGG. I think it would be an embarrassing 12 round deconstruction, personally.
De La Hoya was washed up in 2007 also and yes GGG would probably find Floyd the softest puncher he's ever fought. That's massive mentally for BOTH fighters. If GGG makes 157 comfortably the fight is a massacre of epic proportions IMO. Maidana came very close to beating Floyd in fight I also FWIW.
You have to know how difficult it is to land anything clean on Mayweather, let alone something that K.O's him. That power means nothing when it's hitting thin air, elbows and gloves all night long. Much faster, technical and smarter boxers than GGG haven't been able to touch Mayweather.
Floyd beat Castillo 115-111 and Oscar 117-111, he’s never had a properly close fight in his life.
Having said that, Golovkin’s footwork is so good and his power is real, I’d at least expect him to break Floyd’s shoulder.
Having said that, Golovkin’s footwork is so good and his power is real, I’d at least expect him to break Floyd’s shoulder.
I agree with with Oscar scorecard, but felt Castillo clearly won the first fight.