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Wilder-Ortiz for November 4th official.

I'm not a big fan of re-matches unless there's a major scoring controversy, so bring on GGG-Canelo II. I also think it would be an even better fight than the one we just witnessed. GGG will likely start faster, so the onus is on Canelo to do something differently. Don't write that off either. He's an intelligent fighter and he's improving constantly.
 
Finally Wilder is stepping it up. About friggin time. Expecting him to be floored by Ortiz though. Hoping for it too.
 
I think this will be a telling fight for Wilder's future. If he wins it will be a clear path towards Joshua.
 
After some recent big fights here's my current pound for pound top 10 -

1. Terence Crawford
2. Vasyl Lomachenko
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Mikey Garcia
5. Canelo Alvarez
6. Andre Ward
7. Sergey Kovalev
8. Errol Spence
9. Olaksandr Usyk
10. Leo Santa Cruz

Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, Keith Thurman, Naoya Inoue, Juan Francisco Estrada could all make a case to be anywhere after that top six for me. The next 6 months will probably see some changes too.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
After some recent big fights here's my current pound for pound top 10 -

1. Terence Crawford
2. Vasyl Lomachenko
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Mikey Garcia
5. Canelo Alvarez
6. Andre Ward
7. Sergey Kovalev
8. Errol Spence
9. Olaksandr Usyk
10. Leo Santa Cruz

Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, Keith Thurman, Naoya Inoue, Juan Francisco Estrada could all make a case to be anywhere after that top six for me. The next 6 months will probably see some changes too.
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Ward 6th? Come on yo.
 
For the record...

1. Ward
2. Crawford
3. Lomachenko
4. Golovkin
5. Canelo
6. Rigondeaux
7. Inoue
8. Mikey Garcia
9. Spence Jr
10. Kovalev
 
Adcuth said:
Finally Wilder is stepping it up. About friggin time. Expecting him to be floored by Ortiz though. Hoping for it too.
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I think he loses this fight too. Wilder is really not that good I watched him get tagged with solid shots against Gerald Washington in his last fight and Eric Molina also hurt him a couple of years ago who is not a big puncher. Wilder does have power but not much skill. I'm predicting an Ortiz knockout.
 
Kazi said:
Ward 6th? Come on yo.
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I just had a hard time taking the wins over Kovalev seriously. The first one I like most had Kovalev by a clear decision. The re-match, I think he was going to win but did have him behind in rounds and he won it on fouls. Outside of those fights he hadn't really done much in 4-5 years.
 
Saw a clip of Canelo putting guys to sleep with a punch that didn't even make Golovkin step back a bit.
 
Hopefully Gennady actually uses his body punches next time. He became a bit predictable with the jab imo.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
GGG has a world class chin. The best in boxing arguably and perhaps the best of any world class fighter of the last decade or so.
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Sounds stupid but i'm pretty sure some of GGG's 'strategy' is to walk through punches. He's so goddamn tough, my word. Vitali Klitschko would be proud of that granite chin.
 
Seems pretty likely that Joshua will face Wilder, possibly next, since both of them are fighting within a week of each other in late Oct / early Nov.
 
pocco said:
Yeah i think so too. The Fury that fought Klitschko would give AJ some real problems.
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I don't think that Fury would've beaten the Klitschko Joshua fought.
 
I woke up to a text message of draw before I watched the fight thanks to an overzealous mate. So I watched it with no commentary, no inbetween round nonsense just straight boxing and watching it like that I was leaning towards Canello. GGG doesn't land anything for the first 5 rounds. Yes he is constantly pressing forward and ring dominating but the point is to hit and not get hit and GGG for all that walking down just didn't do that.
So I myself don't think it was one sided as many people make out. Also if this was Mayweather people would be calling it a defensive masterclass which it was.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Said that myself earlier in this thread and you could see it immediately after the fight. I'm still astounded by just how many people think GGG won easily.
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Easily is not the word but he deserved the win... that verdict is fairly unanimous. We don't score fights by looking at how marked up their faces are afterwards. Some people are a lot more prone to mark up than others... different skin types, bone structures etc.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I woke up to a text message of draw before I watched the fight thanks to an overzealous mate. So I watched it with no commentary, no inbetween round nonsense just straight boxing and watching it like that I was leaning towards Canello. GGG doesn't land anything for the first 5 rounds. Yes he is constantly pressing forward and ring dominating but the point is to hit and not get hit and GGG for all that walking down just didn't do that.
So I myself don't think it was one sided as many people make out. Also if this was Mayweather people would be calling it a defensive masterclass which it was.
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eh?
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I woke up to a text message of draw before I watched the fight thanks to an overzealous mate. So I watched it with no commentary, no inbetween round nonsense just straight boxing and watching it like that I was leaning towards Canello. GGG doesn't land anything for the first 5 rounds. Yes he is constantly pressing forward and ring dominating but the point is to hit and not get hit and GGG for all that walking down just didn't do that.
So I myself don't think it was one sided as many people make out. Also if this was Mayweather people would be calling it a defensive masterclass which it was.
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No they wouldn't, because it wasn't.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I woke up to a text message of draw before I watched the fight thanks to an overzealous mate. So I watched it with no commentary, no inbetween round nonsense just straight boxing and watching it like that I was leaning towards Canello. GGG doesn't land anything for the first 5 rounds. Yes he is constantly pressing forward and ring dominating but the point is to hit and not get hit and GGG for all that walking down just didn't do that.
So I myself don't think it was one sided as many people make out. Also if this was Mayweather people would be calling it a defensive masterclass which it was.
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It was nothing like a Mayweather fight IMO. Canelo often couldn't get out as much as he wanted because GGG was constantly on the front foot. Canelo didn't set up to be defensive at all, Problem was after 6 rounds he was that gassed he had to sit back and invite pressure.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I woke up to a text message of draw before I watched the fight thanks to an overzealous mate. So I watched it with no commentary, no inbetween round nonsense just straight boxing and watching it like that I was leaning towards Canello. GGG doesn't land anything for the first 5 rounds. Yes he is constantly pressing forward and ring dominating but the point is to hit and not get hit and GGG for all that walking down just didn't do that.
So I myself don't think it was one sided as many people make out. Also if this was Mayweather people would be calling it a defensive masterclass which it was.
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No rational person would interpret Canelo's performance as a masterclass. He was adequate and managed to stay afloat in a fight that a vast majority of people believe he lost on points.
 
Mayweather tended to outwork his opponents and out-punch them (in terms of accuracy). Mayweather landed 46% of his punches whilst his opponents averaged 16% against him (from compubox, 2012, so numbers may have changed a bit, but not drastically).

That wasn't the case with GGG/Canelo. Canelo landed fewer shots (169 to 218) and was only marginally more accurate (33.5% to 31%). He was outworked by Golovkin and outpunched by Golovkin, with the difference in accuracy being Canelo +1.5% (hardly a +30% swing which you see in some of Mayweather's best fights).

So, no. It wasn't a defensive masterclass a la Floyd. It wasn't even close.

People are searching hard to find a reason for this to be a draw or a Canelo win. You could call it a draw, but I think Golovkin won by at least two rounds, though I'd say it was more like 8-4 GGG. Canelo certainly did not win.
 
What is described here is a defensive masterclass. Not quite what Canelo displayed against GGG.

 
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For the record, against Canelo Mayweather landed 46% of his punches, Canelo landed 22%. +24% is in fact a defensive masterclass.

Go watch that fight and then re-watch this one and try to make the same analogy. It doesn't add up in any sense.
 
Raoul said:
No rational person would interpret Canelo's performance as a masterclass. He was adequate and managed to stay afloat in a fight that a vast majority of people believe he lost on points.
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Made GGG miss lots, took most of the shots on the gloves and rolled with the punches that did get through. Obviously hyperbole when I said the bit about Mayweather but that was a great display of defensive boxing. Also post fight Canello with 1 bruise on him where GGG was marked up all over his face.

Like I said I had no outside influences, no comentry, no corner chat. I knew the result so I was purely just going by what I saw which was GGG just pressing without really doing much and the cleaner work coming from Canello.
 
ivaldo said:
I don't think that Fury would've beaten the Klitschko Joshua fought.
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I agree with this. Wlad was totally into the the Joshua fight and gave his best performances in years. He was as hungry as I've ever seen him. Against Fury, he was disinterested and he had some personal problems or his wife had some depression I believe. Explains his I don't want to be here performance that night.

Joshua would drill Fury.
 
Finally got around to watching the fight and I had GGG winning by 4 rounds, if I want to be generous to Canelo its 3 rounds. No way this fight was a draw.

Must have been demoralising giving GGG his best shots and not even hurting him, and GGG keeping pressure on him all fight. Credit to Canelo for hanging in there, in the end he is fighting the bigger man.

If there is a rematch, GGG should throw some more body shots, Canelo was gassed after round 8 if he hit more body shots I will back GGG to knock him out late on.

As for Canelo, he had to put on weight for this fight and probably why he gassed out quickly. Needs to work on that stamina and hope GGG declines physically before a potential rematch.
 
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