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Maidana says he'll give a rematch coz he won the fight 
Calm down, son
Calm down, sonStrong words from Maidana. For all Maidanas aggressiveness (which petered out after 7 rounds) Mayweather was fairly comfortable.
nahh did anyone else see how happy that guy was to finish Maidanas biscuit
He looked nervous because the announcer said "he is NOW the WBC and WBA champion...". I was thrown by it too.
Twitter saying Maidana said 'Floyd hasn't fought a man yet' instead of 'Floyd didn't fight like a man'. Apparently translator messed it up. High drama
I thought they were gonna announce Maidana as the winner at that point
Twitter saying Maidana said 'Floyd hasn't fought a man yet' instead of 'Floyd didn't fight like a man'. Apparently translator messed it up. High drama
He fecked upWell that's a bit better but you can't say that about someone who is 46-0. Take the loss, take, the inevitable rematch and take your inevitable beating in that fight aswell. If these 2 go at it again Floyd will be even more convincing imo.Twitter saying Maidana said 'Floyd hasn't fought a man yet' instead of 'Floyd didn't fight like a man'. Apparently translator messed it up. High drama
Hopefully there was a translation error, because I was about to say Maidana turned into a little bitch in his interview.
Poor guy didn't even get to plug his sponsor, though.
Poor guy didn't even get to plug his sponsor, though.
Floyd needs to fight Khan next then a rematch with Maidana for his final fight. Maidana needs a punching bag for his next fight before meets Floyd again.
Most of those annoyes with the result don't understand the difference between throwing punches and landing punches.
Most of those annoyes with the result don't understand the difference between throwing punches and landing punches.
I think Floyd's next fight is in September, which will be difficult for Khan to fight in seeing as it is right after Ramadan.
I don't think that there was anything too controversial about the drawn card. Maidana outlanded Floyd with power shots in 5 rounds and Floyd only outlanded Maidana by 9 power shots over the course of the fight. Maidana controlled the pace and style of the fight for the most part, backing Floyd onto the ropes who then spent a lot of time tying Maidana up. Personally I had it comfortable for Floyd as I favoured his clean punching. On the other aspects of judging this was a close fight and you often see the aggressor favoured in America.
I don't think that we will see Floyd fight a fast boxer ever again. He definitely won't fight Pacquiao. I think his choice of recent opponents became clear last night. He really has lost a step or two or three. I think he will rematch Maidana and win easier now that he knows exactly what to expect.
Khan was brilliant. He boxed smart (for a change) and dominated his opponent. I really think that version of Khan will give Mayweather something to think about.
I don't think that we will see Floyd fight a fast boxer ever again. He definitely won't fight Pacquiao. I think his choice of recent opponents became clear last night. He really has lost a step or two or three. I think he will rematch Maidana and win easier now that he knows exactly what to expect.
Khan was brilliant. He boxed smart (for a change) and dominated his opponent. I really think that version of Khan will give Mayweather something to think about.
just watched the Khan fight, he was great and put his name right up there to have a shot at Floyd if it can be made.
I expected that to get him a few "extra" points but the judge that called it a draw is whats killing the sport.
I know that might sound a tad dramatic but it happens so often these days. Drives me mad.
Great night for Kahn all the same. I like his new trainer
Nonsense Deco, that fight could easily have been a draw. Look at the first half of the fight and I think it's 4-2, Mayweather improved as Maidana tired but the second half of the fight wasn't a shut-out.
Khan was impressive, actually boxed sensibly.
Mayweather's fight was good. Thought Maidana had the better of the earlier rounds but Floyd came back. Read somewhere there may be a re-match as Khan will be unavailable for September, would quite like to see that happen.
Mayweather's fight was good. Thought Maidana had the better of the earlier rounds but Floyd came back. Read somewhere there may be a re-match as Khan will be unavailable for September, would quite like to see that happen.
Cmon now, we both know thats not true.
The fight imo was at worst 8-4 rounds wise for Mayweather .
Maidana may have dictated where the fight happened but he did feck all with it. The other judges scored it 117-111, 116-112, calling it a draw is shocking imo.
I know people dislike Mayweather but its like they ignore what actually happens during his fights. Maybe its the defensive style or something. (not directed at you, just some of the articles ive read on it today)
Maidana was excellent though he landed more punches than anyone else against him, ever.
There are four factors to considering when scoring a boxing match
Floyd bested the first consideration undoubtedly and Maidana the third consideration undoubtedly throughout the course of the fight. Two and four were a little harder to determine. Maidana moved forward a lot, but in a controlled manor? Mayweather is a master of defence but in this fight he spent most of the time backing into the ropes and tying Maidana up. Some judges will favour one aspect more than others. By your own admittance @Decotron you favour the first consideration, most people favour the first and fourth, as do I. A lot of people don't realise that two and three are actually part of judging criteria in professional boxing. For this reason I feel the word 'robbery' is banded about a little too much in the case of close fights.
If Maidana had been given the decision I would have raised an eyebrow but would not have been up in arms. A rematch would have been called for but it was a close fight. Floyd is the much more skilled fighter but that isn't all that professional boxing is about.
Perhaps the problem is that the criteria is so vague and that there is no real issue with judges favouring certain aspects far greater than others.
- Clean punching: 'Clean' punches are punches that land on the face/side of the head and the front/side of the torso.
- Effective aggressiveness: A boxer demonstrates this trait when he consistently and successfully moves forward in a controlled manner.
- Ring generalship: The judges favor the fighter who controls the pace and style of the bout.
- Defense: Boxers that skillfully incorporate defensive maneuvers receive credit in this area.
Floyd bested the first consideration undoubtedly and Maidana the third consideration undoubtedly throughout the course of the fight. Two and four were a little harder to determine. Maidana moved forward a lot, but in a controlled manor? Mayweather is a master of defence but in this fight he spent most of the time backing into the ropes and tying Maidana up. Some judges will favour one aspect more than others. By your own admittance @Decotron you favour the first consideration, most people favour the first and fourth, as do I. A lot of people don't realise that two and three are actually part of judging criteria in professional boxing. For this reason I feel the word 'robbery' is banded about a little too much in the case of close fights.
If Maidana had been given the decision I would have raised an eyebrow but would not have been up in arms. A rematch would have been called for but it was a close fight. Floyd is the much more skilled fighter but that isn't all that professional boxing is about.
Perhaps the problem is that the criteria is so vague and that there is no real issue with judges favouring certain aspects far greater than others.
Enjoyed the Mayweather fight a lot. I thought he won, but not by much. I do love watching Mayweather fight though.
The Mayweather fight has been doing my head in all day. I'm just struggling to get my head round some aspects of the fight.
Going into the fight I thought it'd be typical Mayweather, outclass Maidana and just take the fight away from him. But when I watched his ring walk and saw him in the ring and touching gloves I said to my mate that somethings not right. He looked nervous and edgy. But why? He's beaten better fighters.
I'm leaning towards believing Floyd when he said that he wanted a scrap last night. I think he was nervous because he knew he was going to fight out of his comfort zone on purpose. But Mayweather could have made that fight miles easier for himself. I'm just wondering if he really did choose not to or he just got old since his last fight.
Take nothing away from Maidana, the guy threw a lot of punches and was relentless at times. After watching Mayweather last night though I'm genuinely concerned that Khan will beat him if they fight, which would piss me off big time. I was looking forward to seeing him get schooled if they fight, which I think they will.
Going into the fight I thought it'd be typical Mayweather, outclass Maidana and just take the fight away from him. But when I watched his ring walk and saw him in the ring and touching gloves I said to my mate that somethings not right. He looked nervous and edgy. But why? He's beaten better fighters.
I'm leaning towards believing Floyd when he said that he wanted a scrap last night. I think he was nervous because he knew he was going to fight out of his comfort zone on purpose. But Mayweather could have made that fight miles easier for himself. I'm just wondering if he really did choose not to or he just got old since his last fight.
Take nothing away from Maidana, the guy threw a lot of punches and was relentless at times. After watching Mayweather last night though I'm genuinely concerned that Khan will beat him if they fight, which would piss me off big time. I was looking forward to seeing him get schooled if they fight, which I think they will.
If the rematch is made in September, I'd be tempted to believe that Floyd was boxing for the rematch. Even more so because Floyd said straight after the fight that he'll do it again if that's what the people want. There isn't anyone else out there (besides Khan who can't take the fight in September) who he can realistically make a fight with that'll draw as much as Maidana. Makes more sense for Floyd to have the rematch with Maidana who I still believe is a comfortable opponent for Floyd when he's on his game, than some young quick up-and-comer who won't draw as much as Maidana. Other option would be to fight Canelo again, if Canelo beats Lara. Floyd definitely didn't look as sharp as usual, but was never in huge trouble.
I highly doubt that he was boxing for the rematch. He damaged his brand and his mystique on Saturday. I was reading the other day that Sugar Ray Leonard squared up to Mayweather at a function some years ago after Mayweather started criticising him for losing to Duran. After seeing Mayweather struggle and complain incessantly to the ref against a rough house fighter like Maidana, does anybody now think that Mayweather would not have got totally eaten up by Duran if they had fought? I have never scored a fight against Mayweather but it is his arrogant, classless and baseless insistence that he is better than those kind of guys that annoys me about him.
Some are saying that Maidana laid the blueprint for beating Floyd by aggressive volume punching. It would explain why Floyd avoided Margarito and Paul Williams back in the day. Both those guys were better boxers than Maidana and had an even higher punch output than Maidana showed on Saturday. Mayweather wouldn't have had the power to discourage them either. I think it is more that Mayweather is getting old. I was surprised at how easily Maidana could close down the range. If you look at Mayweather's recent fights he has gone for slower fighters. Floyd has always been the master matchmaker, the best that boxing has ever seen. A guy like Margarito probably wouldn't have beaten him but he could have run him close and have made him look vulnerable; damaging the brand; encouraging other fighters confidence and ultimately jeopardising Mayweather's earning potential. And the bottom line is always the bottom line for Floyd. As for Paul Williams, people used to say 'so what if Floyd is ducking him, everyone is ducking him', well fair enough but if you go around saying that you are the greatest of all time then you can't duck anyone, in fact, you should actively be seeking to fight the guy who everyone is ducking.
The biggest surprise for me during the fight on Saturday was that Maidana's best shot came from the outside! If that version of Mayweather turns up against Khan then he will be getting hit a lot more than we have ever seen before. I doubt that Floyd will go in with a fast boxer again. I think that he will want to retire undefeated. It might be that Floyd just had a bad day at the office, that he was unprepared and complacent because Maidana is such a crude fighter. That would be an aberration in the career of Floyd Mayweather though, one of his most admirable qualities is his dedication to his craft. He is never unprepared.
Some are saying that Maidana laid the blueprint for beating Floyd by aggressive volume punching. It would explain why Floyd avoided Margarito and Paul Williams back in the day. Both those guys were better boxers than Maidana and had an even higher punch output than Maidana showed on Saturday. Mayweather wouldn't have had the power to discourage them either. I think it is more that Mayweather is getting old. I was surprised at how easily Maidana could close down the range. If you look at Mayweather's recent fights he has gone for slower fighters. Floyd has always been the master matchmaker, the best that boxing has ever seen. A guy like Margarito probably wouldn't have beaten him but he could have run him close and have made him look vulnerable; damaging the brand; encouraging other fighters confidence and ultimately jeopardising Mayweather's earning potential. And the bottom line is always the bottom line for Floyd. As for Paul Williams, people used to say 'so what if Floyd is ducking him, everyone is ducking him', well fair enough but if you go around saying that you are the greatest of all time then you can't duck anyone, in fact, you should actively be seeking to fight the guy who everyone is ducking.
The biggest surprise for me during the fight on Saturday was that Maidana's best shot came from the outside! If that version of Mayweather turns up against Khan then he will be getting hit a lot more than we have ever seen before. I doubt that Floyd will go in with a fast boxer again. I think that he will want to retire undefeated. It might be that Floyd just had a bad day at the office, that he was unprepared and complacent because Maidana is such a crude fighter. That would be an aberration in the career of Floyd Mayweather though, one of his most admirable qualities is his dedication to his craft. He is never unprepared.
Nonsense. The card that was outrageous was the 117-111 card, not the drawn card. The Showtime pundits had it 115-114, 115-113 and 115-114 Mayweather. Not trying to say Maidana was robbed, although I had Maidana by 7 rounds to 5 personally, but for someone to say they watched that fight and thought Floyd took 75% of the rounds is laughable.
I said 8-4 to Floyd in the end. I think your maths is laughable!!!
Deontay Wildturd beats up an internet troll. For real.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2014/...=Feed:+eastsideboxing/egEo+(East+Side+Boxing)
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2014/...=Feed:+eastsideboxing/egEo+(East+Side+Boxing)
Going from that article a well deserved ass kicking.
Yep. Repeatedly called him a nigger and threatened his daughter, who I believe suffers from spina bifida.
Justice is rare, but it's sweet when it happens.
Justice is rare, but it's sweet when it happens.
What a knob.Ive watched it again since and Im gona retract a little bit of my original verdict. (im my defense it was 6am or something , after a long day!)
I do still think there was that little between them in about 8 of the rounds it was always gona be impossible for people to agree. Mayweather imo just did that little bit more in the majority of close ones to edge it.
Away from the hype-job that is Wilder, there's a good heavyweight title bout tomorrow night, how do you lot see that going?
Stiverne will beat his ass again.
My feeling too, they were offering near as damn it evens last week and I thought it's too good to be true. My only worry is that up until the broken nose the last fight was quite even, I doubt he will break his nose again (however large a target it may be). I'm hoping to see a chubby nipple at the weigh in today.
A friend linked me some of this guys videos a couple of years ago. Zelenoff is not the average internet troll. I am not disputing that he is a total cretin but I think that he is seriously mentally ill. He seem to live in a fantasy world where he is a top boxer. He turned up at the Mayweather gym and got in the ring with Floyd senior FFS! I am not sure that what Wilder did helped the situation for anyone, it has just validated Zelenoff's delusion that he is a top boxer and involved in that world. The guy needs psychiactric care IMO.
Nobody watching Arreola-Stiverne? Good fight. Arreola was winning it until 1 punch pretty much took him out. Got knocked down twice, and the ref had to stop it.
Good heavyweight fight - but I doubt it will revive any interest.
Good heavyweight fight - but I doubt it will revive any interest.
Good fight indeed, he has real power and is a deceptively decent technical boxer.
Watching the fight I thought Stiverne was letting it slip away from him. Nipple was busier, more aggressive, and landing more shots.
I fancy Stiverne to stop Wilder if that fight actually happens. I don't think he has the size to trouble Wlad, unfortunately.
I fancy Stiverne to stop Wilder if that fight actually happens. I don't think he has the size to trouble Wlad, unfortunately.
Has anyone seen that story about Wilder giving an internet troll a beating at his gym?
Try looking a few posts up.
I think that would explain why despite the beating he still ran out saying "I am still the best". I think if true then the beating or the publicity won't have helped.
Have a look at some of his videos. It is all very bizarre. He lives in a world of pure fantasy. The internet age means that the whole world can see it too.