The Reality Draft: Main Thread (Finals)

Theon said:
Mehh I disagree with you Anto. I've seen enough of Passarella to make that judgement, as I've told you before I was actually surprised at how un-sweeperish he was - particularly compared to someone like Scirea. He was a fantastic defender more than anything else, his ability on the ball was secondary there.
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I agree, great defender and a better "CB" than any other libero, but to get the full package you want him influencing the game further up the pitch as well. I'd argue Briegel for Rodríguez was more important than Passarella for Campbell.

Even as libero's go it was secondary when it came to Passarella, compared to Beckenbauer, Baresi and Scirea he wasn't as good on the ball. In the '78 World Cup for instance he wouldn't normally even run with the ball the way others would, it would typically be playing a pass into midfield then charging out for the return pass.
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A bad pass and he was in no man's land though.

I do actually agree with you that he needs cover though, all of those CB's who push out do to some extent but I don't think that needs to come from LB. In terms of cover that's one reason I love Sammer there, as I said before there aren't many better to dovetail with Passarella when he pushes up.
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But if they are dovetailing up the pitch that's exactly why you want a LB who can stay back. Mind, McGrath does fill me with confidence. Heck, it was my 50's CB pair, Passarella-McGrath, but I had Briegel out on the left with clear instructions to tuck in and cover him as and when. Not that anyone paid any attention, I had to put about ten men behind the ball in defence at times :lol:
 
@Edgar Allan Pillow , I'm assuming any of these discarded players is also available next round? There's a couple I'm banking on slipping through here and getting them later if I make it. Priorities and all that.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
I think he's superb, passing constantly and being really wise about it. I don't think he's our problem defensively.
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Agree, I like Daley. A lot. I was baffled why we diidn't sign him straight away once LvG came back from the WC.

I agree here, don't think he is a problem defending, I was actually considering taking Passarella as my first pick if I hadn't lost Breitner, Passarella with the ball, Vierchwood as the stopper, game won
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Yes, he was ideal for your four at the back. I would say the same there though: not with Alaba. It doesn't mean you need Chiellini at LB, it can be someone who can attack, but also tuck in. That's why I'm always out to get one of Briegel and Abidal, they are great for that, particularly in a draft featuring Passarella.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
I see your point and think you aren't wrong, but I just don't think Keane is "wrong" for this role. It might not be as perfect for him as the box to his role but with these two players next to him(Seedorf and Breitner) I think it will work. Again, Keane didn't really play this specific role but it doesn't mean he can't, bloody hell he is one of the best footballers of all times. Maybe Deschamps would have been more suiting for that role as the "right" one for it, but I think Keane will be better simply because he's better. Even if I would've picked Didier before Veron and had Breitner go to his drug test, I'd probably upgraded Deschamps for Keano
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The root of it all is a criminal underrating of Didier Deschamps. He wasn't the most eye-catching, but brilliant at his job.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
He was, I'm just not sure better at his job
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So you agree he was brilliant at that job but would rather someone who never did it? I love Keano, he was one of the if not THE most important factor drawing me to Manchester United. He will be brilliant in your next game, but tasked with staying defensive and playing second fiddle to Breitner and Seedorf? I doubt he will be a happy camper. I can see him lashing out at his teammates on VivaTV.
 
Maybe I should correct my earlier statement. I'm really enjoying watching our first halves :lol:
 
antohan said:
So you agree he was brilliant at that job but would rather someone who never did it? I love Keano, he was one of the if not THE most important factor drawing me to Manchester United. He will be brilliant in your next game, but tasked with staying defensive and playing second fiddle to Breitner and Seedorf? I doubt he will be a happy camper. I can see him lashing out at his teammates on VivaTV.
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I have a theory in mind, in which Keano is perfectly suited for that role, even better than Deschamps at his own role. That's the whole idea of these drafts in my mind, playing stuff and players who haven't necessarily played that in their own teams. If that wasn't the case we would've played Scholes only in the 4-4-2
 
antohan said:
@Edgar Allan Pillow , I'm assuming any of these discarded players is also available next round? There's a couple I'm banking on slipping through here and getting them later if I make it. Priorities and all that.
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@Edgar Allan Pillow I have two picks at the ready subject to the response. The OP speaks of "loser pool", which could be all discarded players along the way or just the ones from the previous round.

It's rare for anyone to pick an unpicked player later, certainly won't be a case of superteam material, but in terms of options going forward it is relevant.
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
I have a theory in mind, in which Keano is perfectly suited for that role, even better than Deschamps at his own role. That's the whole idea of these drafts in my mind, playing stuff and players who haven't necessarily played that in their own teams. If that wasn't the case we would've played Scholes only in the 4-4-2
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Yeah, I get it, I have played players in innovative positions before just because I think they'll work. You rarely do when someone proven in it is available though.

I see your point re: Keano having the right attributes, what I question is the disposition. Keano sitting back, having to resist his urge to burst forward and drive things, being asked to be the patient/calculating one.

It reminds me of a beautifully written article on Laudrup, how he was the seny (reason) to Stoichkov's rauxa (passion) and how the two balanced each other perfectly. Deschamps was a seny player, he kept games under control, choked the life out of the opposition, and distributed the ball to the more passionate and dynamic ones. There was an air of inevitability in the way he steadfastly drove games in the direction of ultimate victory. Problem with seny is it sometimes equates to boring, but you need boring sometimes. Keane is the definition of rauxa, imagine Keano in Turin supposedly having to stay back and trust the others would do their jobs... It simply doesn't sit right with me, it's not Keano :devil:
 
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VivaJanuzaj said:
@antohan I see your points.. It's a problem to leave to the semi finals if I'll be there ;)
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Of course, you can always get someone else and drop Seedorf once Breitner is back. Also acts as insurance for Hargrief. Solid pick, I probably would have gone with Davids, but there's nothing in it and Keano definitely gets more kudos here.

I could see that holding role coming eventually though, so may as well tell you my thoughts now and not once you field it!
 
01. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, (*8. Costacurta*) 9. Terry, 10. Pogba, 11. D. Villa 12. Belodedici, 13. Casillas 14. Scirea 15. E Davids
02. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg (*5. Raul*) 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze 11. Vieri 12. Abidal 13. Chilavert 14. Nedved 15. Baggio
03. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann (*8. Lucio*) 9. Popescu 10. Koke 11. A. Cole 12. Donadoni 13. Cech 14. Kohler 15.
04. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez 11. Peter Schmeichel 12. Elkjaer (*13. Crespo*) 14. Passerella 15.
05. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas (*2. Vieira*) 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard 11. Gianluigi Buffon 12. Boban 13. Mendieta 14. Figo 15.
06. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam (*8. Rui Costa*) 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva 11. Kahn 12. Sagnol 13. Sergi 14. T. Henry 15.
07. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf (*3. Breitner*) 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba 11. Reuter 12. Van Der Sar 13. Trezeguet 14. Roy Keane 15.
08. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz (*9. Stielike*) 10. Varane 11. Kaltz 12. Krankl 13. Zubizarreta 14. Neeskens 15.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Definitely an upgrade on Goetze and I assume Vieri will get a run out now. Insightful pick, Vieri was!
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Poor Götze :( . Finally starts performing well, really really well in the past 2 weeks, and now gets dropped without playing a game.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
So @antohan does the underwear modal still has a future in your team?
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He could join that trio as Boniek-Nedved-Ljungberg. But then, I prefer Lucho-Nedved-Boniek. But ultimately I think that role is exactly where Götze would shine so thinking about giving that a go.

The beauty is once Raúl is back it's fecking awesome, and I can still take any injuries in my stride except in defence (which is why I asked about the pool, I'll be fine if they are still knocking around).
 
That's actually an incredible team and it's basically impossible to find better players than Nedved and Boniek for the roles out wide.
 
harms said:
Socrates on the left side?
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From the games I've seen him play, he drifts out to the left a lot.. but yeah any feedback - brutal as can be, rather get some now. Anto has helped out, so I'll probably use what he suggested but just looking for some variations just in case.
 
Raees said:
I like it... looks balanced.

Is mine too attacking?

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Doesn't work for me.

Better off with Terry in there and dropping Pogba

Conti------Villa-------Stoichkov
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Belo? - Terry - Scirea - Zanetti


or if you wanna go crazy then
 
antohan said:
It is. I had completely forgotten you had Ballack. I'd drop Pogba, stick another defender there and play 4-2-3-1 with Davids-Ballack.
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:lol: when reading your PM I was thinking wtf he's completely dissed Ballack, but yeah I think i'll stick to the back four and go with what you and crappy have suggested.
 
Raees said:
From the games I've seen him play, he drifts out to the left a lot.. but yeah any feedback - brutal as can be, rather get some now. Anto has helped out, so I'll probably use what he suggested but just looking for some variations just in case.
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He could be on either side, it's just the formation everyone knows him in had him at the NE end of the magic square.

--------------------Morena
Stoichkov-------Socrates--------Conti
------------Davids----------Ballack
Belochap---Scirea------Terry---Zanetti

is your best lineup here, but it may be too much to ask people to check out Morena so go with Villa. Morena would work better with those three behind him though, he was usually the CF in 4-3-3s with wingforwards similar to Stoichkov (physical) and Conti (fast and tricky).
 
Raees said:
:lol: when reading your PM I was thinking wtf he's completely dissed Ballack, but yeah I think i'll stick to the back four and go with what you and crappy have suggested.
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I based myself on your formation for the last game. I realise why it happened, but it didn't occur to me you had a sub better than the starters :lol:
 
antohan said:
He could be on either side, it's just the formation everyone knows him in had him at the NE end of the magic square.

--------------------Morena
Stoichkov-------Socrates--------Conti
------------Davids----------Ballack
Belochap---Scirea------Terry---Zanetti

is your best lineup here, but it may be too much to ask people to check out Morena so go with Villa. Morena would work better with those three behind him though, he was usually the CF in 4-3-3s with wingforwards similar to Stoichkov (physical) and Conti (fast and tricky).
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Thanks, I'll stick with that formation and work on the tactics.
 
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