Seedorf------Breitner
Keano
Keano
The Reality Draft: Main Thread (Finals)
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Sorry guys. Was away.
Wouldn't it have been better if we ensure you could start only three DoFI players in your team?
Wouldn't it have been better if we ensure you could start only three DoFI players in your team?
And Breitner in the next round! Talking about physical presence. Viva at the drawing board
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Great Idea, but think a bit too late for this round.
Let me see if I can implement this for next round.
Opinions from other managers? This would save this from turning into a all time big players only draft!
It maybe a good suggestion but the rules are in OP and to change them retroactively would be just wrong - the planning was made, 2 picks were made also based on the old ones.
I think it's fine how it is at the moment, and as Harms says it's probably too late to change it anyway.
Just to rub it in
There won't be any action tonight?
There won't be any action tonight?
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THIERRY HENRY
mmm, I expected TRV to add to his midfield. Half expecting you to go for Dunga's partner in crime.
Midfield is overrated.
Which is why I was aiming for MM! I'm a purist mate, tell me it's WM and I expect inside forwards, not Beckham
Well, I'd actually argue that if you want a pure, classical WM - then you might as well forget about both Nedved and Neeskens. Well, maybe Nedved could pose as some sort of inside forward - maybe, But he'd hardly be the first name on the sheet. And Neeskens to me is precisely the sort of player who simply has no place in a classic WM, viz. a central midfielder - and therein lies the problem: A team with three sheer defenders, to purely defensive midfielders - and five attackers. The right sort of player for the inside forward positions wouldn't even be an attacking midfielder, lest it be a VERY attacking one, i.e. more like a second striker than a midfielder.
It's not realistic at all in a draft where you'd be up against modern formations - so to me the only way would be to opt for some sort of pseudo WM - a modern style WM with central midfielders, more, indeed, like a magic square in the middle, three men at the back and a trio up front (two wing forwards and a striker).
Selecting from the players who were originally drafted:
Or something of the sort. This would be close to a classic WM. In a modern context it looks insanely offensive AND insanely arse-heavy at the same time - and you wouldn't get away with it, even with the quality of those players, unless the voters decided to give you max credit for novelty value alone.
Sorry guys, thought there was still one more game to play so didn't bother checking in.
I'll take Luis Figo
I'll take Luis Figo
You don't change rules halfway through a draft. Had you asked me earlier I wouldn't have liked it either. It perpetuates a random event. I was counting on using Raúl throughout but had I got Shearer and being stuck with him throughout... I would have lost all motivation there and then. Being stuck with players (and associated tactics) you don't fancy isn't a great recipe for a draft.
Well, I'd actually argue that if you want a pure, classical WM - then you might as well forget about both Nedved and Neeskens. Well, maybe Nedved could pose as some sort of inside forward - maybe, But he'd hardly be the first name on the sheet. And Neeskens to me is precisely the sort of player who simply has no place in a classic WM, viz. a central midfielder - and therein lies the problem: A team with three sheer defenders, to purely defensive midfielders - and five attackers. The right sort of player for the inside forward positions wouldn't even be an attacking midfielder, lest it be a VERY attacking one, i.e. more like a second striker than a midfielder.
It's not realistic at all in a draft where you'd be up against modern formations - so to me the only way would be to opt for some sort of pseudo WM - a modern style WM with central midfielders, more, indeed, like a magic square in the middle, three men at the back and a trio up front (two wing forwards and a striker).
Selecting from the players who were originally drafted:
Or something of the sort. This would be close to a classic WM. In a modern context it looks insanely offensive AND insanely arse-heavy at the same time - and you wouldn't get away with it, even with the quality of those players, unless the voters decided to give you max credit for novelty value alone.
I know. It's an arse, I've tried it before! I meant with Nedved-Neeskens you could have done a modern version which still had great threat upfront from both. I disagree about Neeskens though, he wasn't a mere midfielder, a complete footballer and he did occasionally play as link-up/support striker at Barca. I think they even picked him in such a role in a recent all-time XI.
Well, I think was the proposal was that you have change your DoF players, but you cannot have more than of them in your team. For example, you can get rid of a defender in favour of 2 midfielders and such. There is flexibility to amend...but at any time not more than DoF pool players in playing 11 to avoid 'too powerful' teams.
But then I agree with you. Too late to change for this draft. Maybe I'll consider this for next one....
I'm a great believer in not-too-powerful teams - or rather in keeping the big, shiny names to a minimum. But I agree with anto regarding being stuck with players you haven't chosen. It will naturally take some of the spirit out of you - if it's a matter of several players, I mean. The best way to do it, in my opinion, is to block a considerable amount of players to begin with - an even greater amount than the blocked pool in this draft.
There are dozens of brilliant players who hardly ever get any attention - and who would make for great debates in the match threads. So in my opinion it's more than possible to do a "no shiny names whatsoever" draft of one kind or another, and it wouldn't be too difficult to determine which names are too shiny to feature either.
Just my opinion, of course - and no slight on this draft, Ed. You've done very well indeed when it comes to freshening up the format.
There are dozens of brilliant players who hardly ever get any attention - and who would make for great debates in the match threads. So in my opinion it's more than possible to do a "no shiny names whatsoever" draft of one kind or another, and it wouldn't be too difficult to determine which names are too shiny to feature either.
Just my opinion, of course - and no slight on this draft, Ed. You've done very well indeed when it comes to freshening up the format.
Well - yes. But that's Neeskens, ain't it? You could stick him at right back - and he'd be better than most. I actually think he played full back on occasion - but to my thinking he's a complete midfielder, first and foremost, and as such he wouldn't be the first name on the sheet if you were actually assembling a team fit for the classic WM.
But, yes - if we're sticking to the nine outfield players I can choose from (James and Mascherano have to play) I take your point on Neeskens and Beckham. The latter has to go. So, Neville comes in at the back - and Neeskens moves up alongside Nedved.
That's as good as it gets, I think. James will just have to play up front as a faux winger of sorts in that trio - can't be helped.
Just woke up
Damn, this is tough
Damn, this is tough
Reasonable is boring.
Neeskens is on board with Falcao, this is my wet dream and I don't care about priorities
@VivaJanuzaj
Way to go. Stielike, Falcao and Neeskens
Congrats on having the best midfield in the game!Way to go. Stielike, Falcao and Neeskens
Well, Stielike is smoking pot with Breitner, useless germans
But if I would to go further, then it would be a dream combination, yes!Bonhof-Falcao-Neeskens isn't too bad either, they all have an absolutely insane work rate.
Well, Stielike is smoking pot with Breitner, useless germans
Bonhof-Falcao-Neeskens isn't too bad either, they all have an absolutely insane work rate.
Dang it... Well you know what perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. Falcao as a deep lying playmaker with Bonhof and Neeskens ahead of him sounds fantastic as well. Still easily one of the best midfields in the draft. Unmatched and perfect blend of creativity, technique and workrate.
My bad, I get the point. Prefer Chester's approach of simply doing two rounds of blocks instead.
Only picks I guessed right so far were Figo and Kohler. Not sure I thought harms had to get Neeskens for him or for this to keep going with a shred of credibility as a competition
Mind, Viva is going to sort out his shit striker and we are still all fecked. Strange he went Keane and not for a Davids-Seedorf combo of yore. Can't wait to see Keane back to being a holding midfielder once Breitner returns
Passarella is a baffling pick, and I have to thank TRV for picking Henry over Mufasa
Mind, Viva is going to sort out his shit striker and we are still all fecked. Strange he went Keane and not for a Davids-Seedorf combo of yore. Can't wait to see Keane back to being a holding midfielder once Breitner returns
Passarella is a baffling pick, and I have to thank TRV for picking Henry over Mufasa
Raúl's loss is a real bitch, what an arse... Took me one step away from formations I still needed players for and broke down those I could play
The upside is it justifies focusing on strengthening one style and not forever keeping myself flexible without perfecting any.
I pick Pavel Nedved
@Raees
The upside is it justifies focusing on strengthening one style and not forever keeping myself flexible without perfecting any.
I pick Pavel Nedved
@Raees
Way to go. Stielike, Falcao and Neeskens
I think this might be counter for VivaJ.
I'll go for Scirea
Indeed. Question though, How does the picking work in the next reinforcement round? If you "follow the order" it starts from the bottom again, but I'd argue it should start from the top. No? Otherwise it's pretty unbalanced with those at the bottom always getting first dibs on the DoFs hanging around.
I don't think I need Keano to operate as a holding midfielder. Didn't need Veron to be too deep and I won't need Keano to be with Seedorf and Breitner in either side, you have so much work rate and defensive awareness you can get along with a defensive minded midfielder and not a holding midfielder. With Platini, Zidane Maradona gone you really don't need a water carrier if your midfield trio knows their way around defending..Mind, Viva is going to sort out his shit striker and we are still all fecked. Strange he went Keane and not for a Davids-Seedorf combo of yore. Can't wait to see Keane back to being a holding midfielder once Breitner returns
You have two picks.
It should start from top. No question about it
It will be from top. the follow the order worked only because we had an odd number of rounds (13) in R1. With even (2) reinforcement rounds, it will be switched.
It's just a vaariaation on the discussion earlier over whether you could just have three box-to-box midfielders. Personally I think it's unsound and overkill. I'm not a huge fan of the crab-passing Makelele types but, as I said before, someone like Deschamps who would distribute from the back but also aware he is doing the heavylifting for Breitner/Seedorf/Keane to be completely unshackled by those concerns. Also willing to do it, because that's what he did.
Else you have three chaps who constantly have to be worrying over whether any of them is staying back/keeping an eye on the moment after losing the ball, and every one of them wanting the others to be the ones staying conservative while they go for glory. Bitching ensues and I think you get less out of all three as a result, when you could really unleash two by having one saying "no worries fellas, I'll hold things tight for you".