Play the one who is in better form, in this case Martial as he's been the most productive. If they are both delivering, play both and enjoy it and rest one for the big games where we need more tactical restraint.
The Rashford and Martial predicament
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Both can play LW, both can cover Lukaku or play alongside him if you happen to go 3-5-2 at times, Rashford can probably play RW as well. There's 55+ games this season, plenty of minutes for both.
I don't think it's a problem having two super talents young footballers. Given their quality while we do need to improve our attack, it means that one should be enough (for now).
The question is whether the players fulfill their potential and whether the club and manager are successful in making that happen. While Rashford seems to be Jose's good books there are still lingering doubts over what exactly he makes of Martial. For me, Martial is a key player at United and we need to prioritise his development and of course he needs to make sure he does the business. Whether Jose can make that happen remains to be seen.
The question is whether the players fulfill their potential and whether the club and manager are successful in making that happen. While Rashford seems to be Jose's good books there are still lingering doubts over what exactly he makes of Martial. For me, Martial is a key player at United and we need to prioritise his development and of course he needs to make sure he does the business. Whether Jose can make that happen remains to be seen.
As long as we don't buy Perisic, I don't see any problems here. They'll both get plenty of minutes.
They are still both very, very young. If they start 20 games each in all comps plus sub appearances that is plenty.
As I keep saying, it is up to them to nail down a place. It is not on Jose to find a place for them. The obligation is theirs, nobody is entitled to anything
As I keep saying, it is up to them to nail down a place. It is not on Jose to find a place for them. The obligation is theirs, nobody is entitled to anything
I don't see martial as a starter for france at the moment anyway. They are so stacked up top with better players (mbappe and greizmann) or players who give different options (giroud). Not to mention lacazette who has been prolific for quite a few seasons.
Both were at their best yesterday. Good problem to have. Mata was very good as well. If we rotate between the three of them, maybe we can keep everyone happy.
Deschamps rates Martial. He called Martial earlier ( august 2015 ) than Coman,Lemar, Mbappe, Dembele..
And even after the Euro, he called Martial again and talked a lot with him.
And Deschamps see Martial as a left winger...like Lemar and Payet.
He still have his chance to play the WC...if he plays with Manchester.
No one is saying he's a starter or should start for France anyway. Regardless he would want to be called up and be given the chance to represent his country, even if he remains on the bench for most of the tournament. He unlikely to be called up when he's not even a starter for United.
I don't understand how anyone can argue otherwise or why you even brought up the issue of him being a starter or not for France in the first place.
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This competiton between the two should get the best out of each other.
Rashford is ahead only because of his attitude and fearless drive which does not effect his mentality when he does not succeed or have to adpat. he keeps trying. Martial seems to be affected
Rashford is ahead only because of his attitude and fearless drive which does not effect his mentality when he does not succeed or have to adpat. he keeps trying. Martial seems to be affected
We are really blessed to have two of the top talents in Europe (imo) playing for us and having some healthy competition.
These two are the future.
These two are the future.
That's not exactly an argument. Mbappé and Dembélé are 3 and 2 years younger, Lemar was playing for Caen and Coman was selected 3 months later and played as much as Martial when fit. We don't really know who he rates the most at the exception of maybe Dembélé who seems to be a starter.
It's the kind of problem most managers would love to have, giving game time to two of the finest young attackers in european football.
It worked fine on Sunday, no reason we can't continue in the same fashion starting one and playing the other off the bench. Rotate them, against weaker teams, we can perhaps play them together.
Rom will not play every week, and Ibra will be back soon, that's the four attackers we need.
It worked fine on Sunday, no reason we can't continue in the same fashion starting one and playing the other off the bench. Rotate them, against weaker teams, we can perhaps play them together.
Rom will not play every week, and Ibra will be back soon, that's the four attackers we need.
Woah, chill out mate.
At best Martial will get a place in the squad, but France are stacked, which is my point really. He's competing for a place with Rashford for us, he could still get about 25 starts if rotated this season as i guess we will play around 50 matches all being well.
Hopefully the competition gets the best out of both of them. They will both hopefully get a chance up front as well given that lukaku will occcasionally get rested for cup matches, at least until ibra comes back.
Rashford could very easily play on the right. His crossing is a lot better than his shooting so he might even be better there
Neither of them are really proven nor good enough to lead the line for United.
I still believe that if we land Perisic or another winger then we will allow Martial to leave.
Jose seems intent on playing Rashford down the left and I think Rashford is his project that he will do anything to make sure is a success. Martial will become an issue if another body is added to the mix.
Jose seems intent on playing Rashford down the left and I think Rashford is his project that he will do anything to make sure is a success. Martial will become an issue if another body is added to the mix.
Ibra is most likely only going to be here from january - may.
I don't think scoring a goal warrants inclusion in the next match !
What if Rashford had waltzed down the wing, beat three defenders, drew the keeper and squared it for Martial to tap in from two yards ? Drop Rashford and start Martial ?
Well its a balancing act between two players who are similar and in Mourinho's system would play in a similar role (winger/striker). If scoring a goal does not help your chances to start a game I dont know what will, if Mourinho wont play the two of them at the same time then the least he could do is rotate.
Well you'd better hope Lukaku is fit for the entirety of the next 4/5 months then at least.
The months that matter the most in a season you mean?
It's not like five months of Ibra is going to screw over Martial, he'll probably need quite some time to get match fit again as well. Anyway, Martial got more than four months to make an impression
Im speaking in the grand scheme of things. Its a world cup year and he probably wants to play day in day out anyway. His contract will be needing to be renewed in the next 12 months too, because after next summer he only has a year left.
Anyways let see how the season goes.
I wouldn't blame Mourinho for persisting with the same lineup (he doesn't rotate much anyways), but at the same time if Martial wanted to leave to get more gametime I'd understand and respect his decision.
How hard is it for Rashford to play on the right?
I am too. Im guessing Jose doesnt trust both him and Martial on the wings at the same time.
Think both individual threads are being taken over by debates meant to be here.
To me, both players are and will develop into fundamentally different kind of attackers.
I keep seeing people demand things from each player they will never be able to do, simply because the other does it.
Rashford will never have the pure technical quality of Martial and Martial will never have the endless running of Rashford.
It's simply not in their make up.
Imo, Martial will develop into a Frank Ribery kind of attacker where his dribbling from wide to central areas will be crucial in opening team up. Although I expect him to score more goals than Frank simply because he has better instincts in the box, I don't think it's the area Mourinho will come to rely most upon.
On the other hand, I expect Rashford to develop into a pure attacker who will be asked to run in behind and stretch defences.
One thing I noticed, towards the end of the season when Martial was being praised by Mourinho, he always mentioned his work rate in training. There has never been any hint that Mourinho finds a fundamental flaw in his game or what he wants from him.
Ultimately, I think Mourinho has to find a way of getting both in the team.
To me, both players are and will develop into fundamentally different kind of attackers.
I keep seeing people demand things from each player they will never be able to do, simply because the other does it.
Rashford will never have the pure technical quality of Martial and Martial will never have the endless running of Rashford.
It's simply not in their make up.
Imo, Martial will develop into a Frank Ribery kind of attacker where his dribbling from wide to central areas will be crucial in opening team up. Although I expect him to score more goals than Frank simply because he has better instincts in the box, I don't think it's the area Mourinho will come to rely most upon.
On the other hand, I expect Rashford to develop into a pure attacker who will be asked to run in behind and stretch defences.
One thing I noticed, towards the end of the season when Martial was being praised by Mourinho, he always mentioned his work rate in training. There has never been any hint that Mourinho finds a fundamental flaw in his game or what he wants from him.
Ultimately, I think Mourinho has to find a way of getting both in the team.
Rashfords better on the right than the left imo.Two really good,effective attributs he possesses which get nulified a lot when he's on the left are that he whips really good low crosses into the box and he's a much better finisher when he can hit it low across the keeper with his right foot. I think he and martial could be devastating playing together on each flank.
Rashford and martial will both become regular once they start performing consistently. Martial is clearly capable of scoring 20 plus goals a season and rashford will eventually get there in a season or two. No need to make this one vs another thread.
Not a problem, we're lucky to have them both and being able to utilise them as the managers see fit.
IMO Martial has more talent and is the better player. He should get starting ahead of Rashford.
Rashford needs to stick those easy chances away. I know he's young but he's already missed two 1 on 1s this season. The one against Swansea I could not even work out what he was trying to do with his finish. It was a similar story with him last year, gets in great positions but can't finish.
Rashford needs to stick those easy chances away. I know he's young but he's already missed two 1 on 1s this season. The one against Swansea I could not even work out what he was trying to do with his finish. It was a similar story with him last year, gets in great positions but can't finish.
Its not a problem. Plenty of games. Also II've rashford but martial is the better talent
Ive been saying to my friends for months, because most people regurgitate what they hear around them about Rashford, as being the next best thing. I rate Rashford, but he hasnt really impressed me, just runs fast, and his dribbling is hit and miss. Whereas Martials dribbling is top class, and he has ice in his veins in front of goal. I was telling all my friends Martial currently is better than Rashford, and has a much higher ceiling
I think martial looks more mature than rashford. Against Swansea, rashford tried few shots that were ridiculous and quite frankly seemed out of frustrations. I hope jose does the smart thing and manage rashford's behaviors.
I think he was trying to scoop it over the keeper. I admire the confidence and audacity to try such a thing, if no one ever tried anything special then there would be no special moments. Having said that, I don't think admiration was my main emotion at the time when I was swearing at my laptop, and I might feel differently about it given a less favourable result.
I wish we had a predicament like this for the right wing tbh
He deserves no admiration for trying something so extravegent when just shooting in the bottom corner would have done the trick. Save the fancy dan stuff for when we're 3-0 up.
