If you understood then you'd realise I was responding to someones take on his attitude in the past and never said he was going to leave this season. You can't have a rationale discussion when you have no clue what you're talking about.
The Rashford and Martial predicament
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If you understood then you'd realise I was responding to someones take on his attitude in the past and never said he was going to leave this season. You can't have a rationale discussion when you have no clue what you're talking about.
I created this thread you buffoon.
If you don't like it create your own. I'm the top dog in this domain.
I think the conundrum can be easily fixed if we play martial and lukaku upfront and Mikhitaryan as no10 in a 3-5-2 format and call in rashford for martial and shift martial as cam in place of Mikhitaryan.
What does creating this thread have to do with you jumping into the middle of my conversation with another poster and completely missing the context of that conversation?
It's my conversation that's why. You're a guest in my thread. Behave or I'll ask my door staff to remove you.
I'll post whatever I like. You can do one.
I'll do what I want.
You can't do shit.
It's like a cult.
So this is the predicament..
Rashford did well I thought, very unlucky to hit the post but still a little raw in areas as expected.
Martial goal and assist. Looked superb. Easier coming on when the opposition full back has been ran ragged but he has much more composure than Rashford in front of goal.
Rashford did well I thought, very unlucky to hit the post but still a little raw in areas as expected.
Martial goal and assist. Looked superb. Easier coming on when the opposition full back has been ran ragged but he has much more composure than Rashford in front of goal.
Let's loan them out.
I think it comes down to how much Mou is willing to rotate which would be a change from his norm. There's plenty of games/minutes to go around this season across 4 competitions but I think we have to make sure everyone gets regular minutes as I think a fair few of the players are confidence players.
Although I really like Herrera I thought it was good to see Mou was willing to go with Matic/Pogba in midfield as hopefully that's a sign of things to come and he's happy to have 3 of Rashford/Martial/Mata and Mikhi on the pitch for most games. Any 3 of them offers a lot. I'm sure there will be a lot of games where we'll bring in Herrera to go 3 in the middle but hopefully at home we'll go more attacking like today in which case I think we should be able to ensure Rashford/Martial get enough games.
Blistering pace.
The end product is starting to come along. Still so so young though.
The end product is starting to come along. Still so so young though.
You'd expect one to start most weeks and one to be the first port of call if Lukaku gets injured or needs a rest so they've got another year to kick on.
I think they'll both do a decent job for us.
Rashford still needs a bit of ironing out but it feels like hes improving every week and adding a bit more to his game.
I think they'll both do a decent job for us.
Rashford still needs a bit of ironing out but it feels like hes improving every week and adding a bit more to his game.
No predicament for me. One starts and the other comes on around 70 and runs at tired defenders. This strategy will work if we are behind, ahead or drawing. The in form player starts and right now that's Rashford. Martial, however, will get his chances to prove himself.
Its like the Tevez vs. Berbatov debate again sort of. Rashford is like Tevez - hard working, runs and runs throughout the game and Martial is like Berbatov only more effective but silky smooth, looks languid and has all the trickery. I still think Martial is a better player than Rashford both on the wing and as a striker. He is a better finisher and he is more calm in certain situations than Rashford is.
Now that does what mean I dont rate Rashford. He is a terrific player but until he can improve his finishing Martial is better. But I have no doubt Rashford will become better with experience and confidence.
Now that does what mean I dont rate Rashford. He is a terrific player but until he can improve his finishing Martial is better. But I have no doubt Rashford will become better with experience and confidence.
For my money we should play them both. Mkhi or Mata as no.10 depending on form and fortune.
We've got four competitions where they can play football.
Currently one of the two must start every match, Lingard, Mata and Mhki offer something completely different to these two.
Currently one of the two must start every match, Lingard, Mata and Mhki offer something completely different to these two.
Great to have 2 great talents and if they have the right attitude, they will push each other to the max to get that starting place
Martial on left, Rashford on right, Mhki in middle behind Rom.
21 times, 21 times Man United!
21 times, 21 times Man United!
Knowing Jose we will be bang at it on all fronts so they will get plenty of football. Think he will just keep using them as he did today. A bigger question arises with these two out wide if we do eventually sign Perisic but with both being comfortable down the middle there will be plenty of opportunities up front too because Lukaku can't plough that furrow alone all season.
If the two lads keep playing like they did today then Perisic will either have to sit the bench or learn to play on the right because those two were very impressive today.
He knows how to play on the right..
Both have immense potential and as I've said, the difference between them isn't nearly as big as people make out. I wouldn't be surprised if either of them became the better player over time. Both are competing for that position, which is a good thing imo. Neither of them will learn as much by having the position gifted to them. Competition will always be a thing at a club like ours and by making them work for their spot in the team, it'll only reap good benefits.
It's also good that they both seem to be close off the field, too. A lot of our squad seem to be friendly rivals.
It's also good that they both seem to be close off the field, too. A lot of our squad seem to be friendly rivals.
I don't see how you've come to that assessment. I'd nearly say Martial had the edge throughout pre season.
The only reason people lose their s**t about Martial, when he has any bit of a blip in form, is because of the price tag on his head. He's still only a kid and has lots to learn. The very same can be said about Rashford - all be it, he's 2 years younger. At this very moment in time, we have a nice dilemma - in that we have an abundance of youth talent at our disposal. Rashford needs to work on his finishing, while Martial needs to curve his temperament. I think, in terms of natural talent/potential, Martial is the better player. He definitely has a massive edge with composure and finishing. Rashford, on the other hand, has unadulterated pace and as we've seen today, a canny eye for a deft pass. I'm going to throw my 2 cents at it and say we play both of them. Martial out left - allowing his natural composure to flourish while cutting in. Rashford on the right, utilising his pace and pass in sending the ball into the box. I consider that front 3 and all I can see is Mkhitaryan in the hole, spraying ball out left, right and through the centre. In theory, it's an absolute nightmare for any defence. The counterattack potential is enough to give the most humble of man a semi.
It's very rare to have a dilemma as pleasant as this. Two of the best young attackers in Europe pushing each other on for a starting place, and both potentially lethal off the bench. Can only be a good thing if Mourinho knows how to motivate them both.
Could be our Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis.
I mean... what if we played Lukaku and Rashford up front together, with Martial on the wing.
Just sayin...
Just sayin...
It's good, actually. We should play roughly 55 games a year on average, which leaves 110 starts at ST and LW and Lukaku, Rashford and Martial can compete for them. Add another 5-10 starts at RW or if we play 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 and injury and suspensions, with the winner maybe getting 45, second place getting 40 and third place 30-35. And whoever is in 3rd place will still still get 20-30 minutes most games. If you assume 10-15 missed injury games from the 3 in total, it basically sorts itself out anyways.
We definitely don't need to sign a striker or guy whose best position is left-wing, unless Rashford shows he can produce at right wing or as a 10. I think Martial is pretty locked into LW or up top.
We definitely don't need to sign a striker or guy whose best position is left-wing, unless Rashford shows he can produce at right wing or as a 10. I think Martial is pretty locked into LW or up top.
I honestly agree with a set up like this. Having 3 guys for 2 jobs isn't really a bad "problem" to have, because people are going to get tired and they're going to get injured occasionally.
This should especially help us deal with all the fixtures that come up around Christmas.
Edit: Plus, rotating them between roles as starter and super sub wouldn't hurt anything. Every match having one of the two able to come on fresh to run at tired defenses would really help put nails in coffins or break a tie.
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What I fear is, since next summer is WC and France has got such a competitive squad, Martial may try to seek first team football elsewhere. There's simply zero chance of him making to WC if he is not even starting for us.
I think Fellaini or Mata will be used more for tie-breaking purposes off the bench, but nails in coffin you want pace on the counter when the game opens up, so definitely.
Also, Rashford is 19. Might not be a terrible idea for him to get an extra game off every month.
With Martial scoring surely he has to start the next game? I think he edges Rashford in terms of finishing and dribbling whereas Rashford is more direct and faster.
I said it before, Martial is getting to the stage in his career where he needs to play regularly thats the only way he can prove himself, Rashford is two years younger and he cant/shouldnt be playing every game for the sake of his longevity.
I said it before, Martial is getting to the stage in his career where he needs to play regularly thats the only way he can prove himself, Rashford is two years younger and he cant/shouldnt be playing every game for the sake of his longevity.
Both have huge potential. However, I think Martial has a slightly higher ceiling than Rashford. Problem is, Rashford's work rate and attitude is better and believe this is why Mourinho favours Rashford.
Is a good problem to have to be honest. I hope one day we would see the three of them, together with Lukaku manning the front lines for us.
Is a good problem to have to be honest. I hope one day we would see the three of them, together with Lukaku manning the front lines for us.
They will share inside forward duties. That's obvious
I can see us playing 4231 for the majority of the games with Herrera being the one to miss out most. Lukaku will always start. The three positions behind him will be shared by Mkhi, Mata, Lingard, Martial and Rashford. I'm expecting Mkhi to play most games. Lingard to play the least games. The other three will fight it out for the two spots. The biggest problem for Martial and Rashford is that they are not that good on the right wing. So only one of them will start regularly. But I think we should start playing Rashford on the right ahead of Mata. He has scored some good goals from the right and somehow shoots better from that angle than from the left side. He also has a good cross on him so will be able to whip in a few from the right. Mata can fight it out with Mkhi for the no.10 role. Lingard slots in against tougher opposition (not my choice but that's what Jose has been doing).
Lukaku
Martial---------Mkhi--------Rashford
Pogba------Matic
Martial---------Mkhi--------Rashford
Pogba------Matic
To the "plenty of games to share" brigade. Have you seen the competition for France's attack? Thats what would make Martial pissed. And lets be honest, unless there are injuries, the idea of rotation goes out of the window.
Jose favours Rashford and thats just the way it is. I really dont expect this to change that much. And would be made worse when Ibra resigns as that means even less chance of either of these guys playing up front.
Jose favours Rashford and thats just the way it is. I really dont expect this to change that much. And would be made worse when Ibra resigns as that means even less chance of either of these guys playing up front.