I don’t think there’s anything irrational about saying Liverpool are improving whilst we are not. There’s plenty of indicators to suggest it’s true. If you don’t see them, fine. If you see them but are comfortable with them, also fine. As you say, let’s hope it’s all completely different come May
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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That's what's frustrating, we have good technical players and youngsters (Mata, Martial, Lingard, Pogba, Pereira, Sanchez) but how many of these guys start? How many of them have got worse since signing for us?
Who will Ed sell the Disneyland next?
Hey, come here, we have loads of money and no idea how to use it.
Hey, come here, we have loads of money and no idea how to use it.
We will win soon and be in touch with the top 4 and this will drag.
Yeah, don’t expect him gone anytime soon. Woodward publicly backed him today in an investor conference. Went on to say we are successful regardless of trophies.
We should have listened to sir bobby.......
Oh well another three seasons down the gurgler.
feck this is depressing.......
Oh well another three seasons down the gurgler.
feck this is depressing.......
No but saying A beat B and C lost to D is childish logic and you know it.
Young, Darmian, Rashford, Bailly, Jones, Smalling for starters. Even a guy like Sanchez who keeps losing the ball would drive him nuts
Rashford, Sanchez and Young are technically poor? Not having that at all. Sure Sanchez’s passes can be rash, but that doesn’t mean he has poor technical ability. I’ll agree with you that we’ve bought a lot of defenders who panic under pressure. But I wouldn’t see many of them staying for long.
Not really interested in a big name replacement. If Carrick wants it, I would give to him and reassess at the end of season.
Needs to be someone that the players will get on with and respect. And presumably his style of play will be similar to how he played the game.
Needs to be someone that the players will get on with and respect. And presumably his style of play will be similar to how he played the game.
Forgot to add, we were poor against Leicester and got tanked by Spurs at home. As you say all is good.
Lukaku is not the sharpest, but I think you are being too harsh on him, his touch can't be improved but he can be used more effectively than being a target man long ball option to start the attack and kill games better. All our attacking players look bad with the tactics mourinho played, and lukaku is also a victim of it.
We've got what we paid for in most players. Miki was 30m which isn't a big outplay and was decent/ultimately not good enough. Bailly is never fit.
Strawman how are thee?
This is the impossible Job. They said directly after Sir Alex but I think Moyes and LVG were simply mistakes. It would take years to fix this and even then you need the finances and you NEED...really need the scouts to up their game or have the board take more risk in the market. We've stagnated so much. I think Jose has done ok but there are too many fractions breaking out. This is unsustainable. Jose still has the support and the players are trying but it goes to show how well we did last season in the league - but we were still not good enough against teams we should be beating.
Bring in Stevie G for the lols.
Rashford isn't good at all. Young, maybe I was harsh but Sanchez is finished anyway.
Our biggest failing since SAF went has been terrible player recruitment. Our spending and recruitment has been pathetic, no direction whatsoever. So many players below United level in the squad. We'd have to spend at a minimum another 250 million to sort out the first eleven and get rid of so much deadwood. We need 2 centre backs, a right winger, a striker (Backup at least) and I'd look for another box to box midfielder. We have inadequate cover on the flanks especially with Young and Valencia getting on in age. Dalot looks a real talent, Shaw is class, Pogba, Martial, and DDG are shoe ins at least talent wise. After that it's a bit hit and miss. Lukaku is limited but with good service from the wing he'll score goals. He's nowhere near the Augero's of the world but he's an adequate piece if surrounded by talent on the flanks. Matic blows hot and cold. Can't really comment on Fred yet. The likes of Mata and Smalling are bench fillers at best. Lots of deadwood that needs casting aside, Jones being a case in point.
Who comes in if Jose goes? I'm not his biggest fan at all but if he goes I can't see much improvement from whoever comes in until the off field aspects at the club are fixed. There is a toxic atmosphere around the club and it's starts from the very top. We need strong leadership from the board, a clear recruitment strategy on the type of players and style of football we want and we need to separate the commercial arm (Woodward) from player personnel decisions. If he goes then I can't say I'll miss him at all but my worry is the next guy comes in and it's the same shite we are seeing now. I'd be looking to bring in a van der sar or similar as DOF. We look for a manger who wants to play through the wings, then we identify the players who fit the style of play. We keep to this philosophy as a club and we find players and managers who fit it. This way we ensure continuity throughout the club when looking to replace players and managers.
Who comes in if Jose goes? I'm not his biggest fan at all but if he goes I can't see much improvement from whoever comes in until the off field aspects at the club are fixed. There is a toxic atmosphere around the club and it's starts from the very top. We need strong leadership from the board, a clear recruitment strategy on the type of players and style of football we want and we need to separate the commercial arm (Woodward) from player personnel decisions. If he goes then I can't say I'll miss him at all but my worry is the next guy comes in and it's the same shite we are seeing now. I'd be looking to bring in a van der sar or similar as DOF. We look for a manger who wants to play through the wings, then we identify the players who fit the style of play. We keep to this philosophy as a club and we find players and managers who fit it. This way we ensure continuity throughout the club when looking to replace players and managers.
How come that it doesn't work anymore, because you think that no one else is doing it atm? I strongly disagree that you can only play one type of football successfully. United just don't execute it well enough, too many holes, too many mistakes individually as collectively. Last season i don't think that most goals came from just luck, why hire a good tactician if it's just luck in the end.
Mourinho should have bought better and we need points in the league, otherwise for me there's still enough time to recover properly, a sacking at this point would be ridicolous, Woodward's not going to do it, imo.
Need a lot more than a manager. Like, even if Zidane took over tomorrow, we would still have Lukaku upfront. No matter who we get, we will still have Lukaku upfront, and still only go as far as a team who has Lukaku upfront. And he’s just one example. I won’t even start on the gimps at centre half.
I’ve stood by Jose, but I’m open to new ideas at this point. We need to get rid of a good few players though, so whoever is in charge needs to be backed.
I’ve stood by Jose, but I’m open to new ideas at this point. We need to get rid of a good few players though, so whoever is in charge needs to be backed.
Lukaku isn't an unknown quantity though. Most of the criticism he's getting now were all fears we had before we got him i.e. his form in big games, flat track bullying, first touch.. etc. Everyone had doubts over these when we got him and he did nothing to prove anyone wrong regarding it.
We'll see but as I said, can't see the likes of Pep and Klopp even thinking about him leading the line for them.
No I don’t believe so at all, not when B is one of Europe’s elite and D is derby fecking county.....they are far enough apart to make a painful comparison of our respective home performances. Nothing childish in that
Because not a single team with big trophy aspirations, play a football remotely close to Mourinho's. All those things you mention (wrong execution, holes, collective mistake), how is that not all down to coaching ? We'll never get anywhere under him so giving more time, is pointless.
Yes. Our problems go beyond the manager of course but it looks to me that he doesn't have the answers anymore. We can debate all day long about whether Ed should've backed him etc and all these things but what matters is where we go from here and atm we are going backwards and hitting new lows on a regular basis. We hired Mourinho to win even it meant defensive football but to serve up this clusterfeck regularly and be nowhere near challenging for anything is inexcusable.
Nope they will probably wait a few more months until after the Christmas period. Are we top four by then or at least within reach? Are we still in the CL? If not and the manager that we want is available, then we Mou is out.
He'll go once we're done with top 4 mathematically, and get knocked out of the Europa League. Around February I think.
John Terry does not have a club and has his badges (he's also a United fan). Player manager?
We are going no where as a club with Woodward as Chairman and the fecking Glazers as owners.
Happy to sign sponsorship deals to make more money to satisfy investors and the Glazers bank accounts.
Says it all when they say we are successful regardless of trophies. How the feck ar we successful without winning trophies. We are a football club. The main thing is to win. If you don’t win trophies you are not successful.
Can’t wait until they just feck off.
There are issues with every single one of our players, I would say. Just look at the player threads. There isn't one of them who people don't have complaints about.
At this point, I would like to see what a different manager could do with these players. I'm not convinced that there would be much of a difference tbh.
Mate...giggsys family has only just recovered.
Which wasn’t really that far....
We'll sack him when we're really fecked by which time Zidane will have taken over PSG and we'll be deciding between Dyche and Hughton in who to appoint next.
No but really, Mourinho is going where any time soon. The club don't have the balls and will only sack him when it all goes tits up.
No but really, Mourinho is going where any time soon. The club don't have the balls and will only sack him when it all goes tits up.
Think it only gets worse from here, that little false dawn already seems like a while ago. Tonight was tragic, I mean Wolves coming to Old Trafford and running the game is at least understandable in the sense Wolves have some very good players but Derby? Nah, not on. Very strong team with players who should be fighting tooth and nail to get in the first team and that is what they offer up?
Fair enough. Personally I don’t think Zidane would have any complaints with attacking talent like Sanchez and Rashford in the squad.
Yes but all us fans are whinging cnuts. Every player on the planet even Messi and Ronaldo have faults.
None. Absolutely none.
Keep in mind all the money Jose has had at his disposal and the calibre of players. Wenger would get more of out this lot I reckon.
I’d prefer Lampard as coach, proved more already. Terry as assistant and player, with view to groom him to take over when Frank retires.
In all seriousness though, Jose is here till it’s impossible to qualify for next season’s champions league. This has been the case for the last two managers, and feck all has changed at the club since then.
You are having a laugh, he was never first choice just appointed because he was a free agent.
Hes blown over £300 million on dross and we are no better now than when we had Moyes.
This is the worst performing team taking into account the cost of each player we have ever had.
We continue to be a joke and the butt of the abus.
The sooner Jose goes the better.
Notice to Woodward, stick to finances and don't give any new signings "silly contracts" and mega money.
If they don't want the honour of wearing a red shirt then we the fans don't want them here.
Leave the football stuff to those who know.
Jose OUT asap
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