The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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With you here.. Cant be long to go now.
Every game we play we look poor. Even v young boys we looked terrible for the first 30 min or so. Absolutely clue and classless, cant wait for him to leave . When we lose its the players when we win they followed his instructions, its never his fault . I have never liked him and didnt want him here but he is even worse than what I could ever have imagined, in my books he is worse than Moyes.
It is about being patient. I don't call for his head cause I know his end is close now.
 
In theory, that sounds good, but Martial would be eaten up alive in the middle, where it's much more crowded. If he keeps trying to dribble and losing the ball that much on the wing, what do you think would happen in the middle?
I think he'd adapt. In his first season here, whenever he played as a CF he looked really good. Since then, we've hardly seen him there because José has a certain type of CF he prefers. Under José, I do remember him playing CF in a league cup game where I believe we won 4-0 and it might've been Schweinsteiger's last appearance for us (maybe?) & he was admittedly pretty poor in that game, but overall there have been more positive signs than bad when played as a CF.

Also, thinking back, early last season when we were playing the 3 at the back formation, Martial looked really good up front and seemed to form an understanding with Lukaku so there's that, too.
 
The chances may not have been abundant but we had good chances, more than just 'half' chances. This is a prime example of poor play: Martial's flick to Lukaku.

When results like this happen all the focus is on the manager, Sanchez is rightly, finally getting some stick but Lukaku has been subpar, along with a few others. We're at the point where Fellani is starting to look like our most consistent performer. These players just go unscathed because the focus is on 'Jose out' all the time instead. Some of them aren't justifying their wages but Jose can't say anything because if he does, he's a bully.
That's because some seem to think that the players should be absolved of any blame, since they lack the brains to make a 5 yard pass without being coached how to do it.
 
Are we all still pretending that we’ve been playing swashbuckling football since the Spurs game?
 
Are we all still pretending that we’ve been playing swashbuckling football since the Spurs game?

I missed the first 30 minutes of the Spurs match and I still assume this swashbuckling football was in that period because I saw very little of this for the rest of the match.
 
I'm kind of indifferent when it comes to Jose these days. I don't really want him as manager but I don't hate him with the passion that some on here do.

The question is this really - can a different manager get us playing better football, with winning results, with our current squad?

I believe there are better managers around now. But I don't think we'll get rid until end of the season. One Europa League finish won't hurt United these days because every team in the league is loaded without European football.
 


One or two players struggling for form is fair. Every one of our attackers struggle and that to me is a sign of a bad set-up.
 
I missed the first 30 minutes of the Spurs match and I still assume this swashbuckling football was in that period because I saw very little of this for the rest of the match.

Pretty much. Seems to be a theme for some on here that we’ve really altered our play recently and are playing much better stuff. I’m not seeing it.
 
That's because some seem to think that the players should be absolved of any blame, since they lack the brains to make a 5 yard pass without being coached how to do it.
I think many are capable of seing it as it is. You can't just blame the manager or the players, it's a bit of both imo. The players need to grow a pair and up their game on a more consistent level.
 
Every disappointment in regards to Jose and the squad this season is gonna be compounded by the fact that Citeh and Liverpool are going to boss the league while we're already an afterthought in the title race a month in...

I'm just hoping Jose manages to bow out gracefully and with class at the end of the season after getting us somewhat further in the CL. That's all I'm hoping for during 2018/19 in what's setting up to be another shite season of the post-Fergie era
 
It is a bad set up. Has been since Faria left. We do seem to be playing as strangers as they have never seen each other. Jose needs to go.
 
The chances may not have been abundant but we had good chances, more than just 'half' chances. This is a prime example of poor play: Martial's flick to Lukaku.

When results like this happen all the focus is on the manager, Sanchez is rightly, finally getting some stick but Lukaku has been subpar, along with a few others. We're at the point where Fellani is starting to look like our most consistent performer. These players just go unscathed because the focus is on 'Jose out' all the time instead. Some of them aren't justifying their wages but Jose can't say anything because if he does, he's a bully.

You said we had "bags of chances" but in reality that flick from Martial for Lukaku was our only good chance. Free kick was something that was created out of nothing, much like the goal itself. It was a moment pf brilliance not a product of clear attacking patterns and managerial instructions.

Sanchez has been getting his criticism for months, so I don't know what are you talking about there, same goes with Lukaku. They're both Mourinho's signings and you can't have your cake and eat, meaning when they perform it's "because of Mourinho" but when they fail to deliver "it's not Mourinho's fault they failed".

Fun fact Mourinho has the biggest wages in UTD, excluding the shareholding board members.
 
It is a bad set up. Has been since Faria left. We do seem to be playing as strangers as they have never seen each other. Jose needs to go.
Where have you been since the beginning of the year?
 
In theory, that sounds good, but Martial would be eaten up alive in the middle, where it's much more crowded. If he keeps trying to dribble and losing the ball that much on the wing, what do you think would happen in the middle?

Martial should not be leading the line by himself playing a target man role like we try with Lukaku - forget the simplicity of actually playing him as the LF next to a RF - I see the guy has the potential to play as a False 9 who technically play away from the CB's with the ability to take them on or initiate little passes. You see the little flick he did for Lukaku's chance?

You remember the flick & pass he did for that Lingard goal vs arsenal

I think he can do that - helping him be in the centre and helping Rashford & Lukaku play as strikers at angles just wide off him; not wingers. Even Sanchez looks like he needs any one of these roles.

Martial is better at getting out of tight Central paces with quick instinctive play than actually having all the time in the world to get the best out of one fullback already at his shooting angle blocked & then told to cross. He also likes to take the man if if he has adequately positioned him self first & gives the ball of shortly before making a run rather than making a run willy nilly as a striker like Rashford does.


Defensively whilst for some reason he has improved the last 2 games - he also would be better at applying high pressure with his face towards goal rather than asking him to drop back & catch up with the RW he just let go past him.

He can be tbe furthest person forward when we don't have the ball, be the deepest forward we have when we do have the ball.
 
Breaking things?:lol:We finished 6th with Herrera and 2nd with Matic.

Herrera made more tackles than Matic, Herrera made more interceptions than Matic, Herrera created more chances than Matic, we actually won things with Herrera and won nothing with Matic. Our improved league position had nothing to do with Matic and was mostly caused by higher chance conversion rates from our forwards that season.
 
One day the sun will shine and it will be a lovely day.

(Special shout out to 'Christ it's hot' thread)
 
I think many are capable of seing it as it is. You can't just blame the manager or the players, it's a bit of both imo. The players need to grow a pair and up their game on a more consistent level.
Of course. I'm talking about the ones who seem think we would be winning the league and CL with these players, if it wasn't for Mourinho.
 
I can almost guarantee you that Mourinho wont be appointed by another premier league team let alone win the title.
Only a mid table team would appoint him now and even thats a big if. Win with another team? No way. Absolutely no way. None of the top 6 will touch him with a ten foot pole. He is past it.

He is the sole problem with this team. I guess the board too for keeping him for so long. He is beyond incompetent now, should have been fired long time ago and even with all the patience in the world, he never should have survived Sevilla. Oh well, dont wanna be repeating myself anymore.
I have nothing good to say about Mourinho.

I cant wait for the new manager so Pogba plays like a top 5 player in the world that he is, so both Martial and Rashford score around 20 games a season as they both should. Cant wait.
 
I'm in Greece for a few days, and thought I'd watch the Utd game. To my surprise and frustration none of the bars were showing it. It was just the Liverpool game. It apparently wasn't even an option to show the Utd game according to the bar owners. Utd losing their appeal.The Glazers take note, your little cash cow needs a new farmer.
 
Herrera made more tackles than Matic, Herrera made more interceptions than Matic, Herrera created more chances than Matic, we actually won things with Herrera and won nothing with Matic. Our improved league position had nothing to do with Matic and was mostly caused by higher chance conversion rates from our forwards that season.
So the chances we created were exactly the same as the season before, only this time we converted more? You do realise that stats like that can't be used as evidence of anything, since every chance is not equally difficult. And nothing else changed in our play with Matic even though he was arguably our best player for a big part of the season?

You marginalise our 2nd position in the league and claim we had a better season because we won the EL the season before.

Honestly, this is probably the worst case of interpreting stats in a way to suit ones argument I've ever seen.

Also, it's hard to take your previous post seriously when you claim he should have kept Blind. Let me guess, Pep would have turned him in to a world beater.:lol:
 
@settembrini Regarding Matic vs Herrera. Why are the number of tackles even relevant? Do you even see how Herrera is playing when on the field? Of course he's gonna have more tackles when he just runs around like a headless chicken, chasing the ball. He has zero positional sense, which isn't very good for a DM.
 
We hired him because he was a winner, winners mentality, would do whatever it takes to get us winning again.

But sadly, it looks like he's turned us into losers.

He did well last season, somehow got us to 2nd, but that is the peak under him.

and without de gea we would of finished 4th last year i reckon .
 
So the chances we created were exactly the same as the season before, only this time we converted more? You do realise that stats like that can't be used as evidence of anything, since every chance is not equally difficult. And nothing else changed in our play with Matic even though he was arguably our best player for a big part of the season?

You marginalise our 2nd position in the league and claim we had a better season because we won the EL the season before.

Honestly, this is probably the worst case of interpreting stats in a way to suit ones argument I've ever seen.

Also, it's hard to take your previous post seriously when you claim he should have kept Blind. Let me guess, Pep would have turned him in to a world beater.:lol:

Hey guys we found someone who thinks Lindelöf has good games when he doesn't know where the ball is coming from:lol:

Don't really care what you say - to sell Daley blind when

A) we need a better ball playing defender
B) we need a better left sided CB
C) he was our best centre defender in partnership with Smalling
D) Jose now uses Fellaini as a third CB that goes up in to midfield - the position blind should have been used :rolleyes:

Is just damn stupid & was done to get rid of the Lvg factor from the squad. The same way perisic was wanted to get rid of Martial & Sanchez is now used to do just that.

Yes of course - Pep would have got it right - when he wanted stones he would have at least utilised Blind as a back up not God damn ditching him for Lindelöf & a still stagnant Jones :lol:

God damn.
 
He won’t be sacked, he won’t leave so we are stuck with him and the muppet players. Keane used to say that signing for Utd was just the beginning and you had to work and work again to maintain and improve your personal standards. Too many are coasting imho. Some shouldn’t be there. Sanchez is a big let down, Martial is too moody, we only have one World Class player and that’s DeGea. Pogba needs a big season to be considered as a World class player.
 
Mourinho isn't going to win the league after he leaves us. Not whilst Pep and Klopp are still there. And which top club is going to take him after this? And give him another 300-400 million to spend?

I didn’t say leave Unied and go to another PL team. I am saying Mourinho will go elsewhere and be a success. Meanwhile we will be in the same position as now with another manager.

Woodward needs to go for an actual footballing person. We need a director of football and need to install a footballing philosophy that all new managers must abide by. If they breach the philosophy then there should a contract clause that dismisses the manager from his contract with no compensation.
 
What year was money not spent under Mourinho?
When did SAF attempt to sign 3 big money center halves in consecutive years?
Just curious.

As has been pointed time after time, Mourinho has bought medium grade center halves. You're confusing us with Liverpool and City who bought the big money players. He wanted to buy an experienced center half this year and an experienced RW player, no dice.

Back in the day, SAF bought Rio for a world record fee when he saw it was needed.
 
I have nothing good to say about Mourinho.

I cant wait for the new manager so Pogba plays like a top 5 player in the world that he is, so both Martial and Rashford score around 20 games a season as they both should. Cant wait.

I keep asking the same question - who do you want to replace him ??

The only name I see is Zidane.

The real problem with United is lack of stability since the GOD retired.
How long did Zidane stay at Madrid.

Ok, we replace JM with Zidane. Do we really believe that he will turn this squad into serial winners.

There is (as many have rightly said) far too many average players taking massive wages for little end product. These need to be moved out and a hungry squad created - hungry for success and prepared to do whatever it takes to achieve success.

I know very little about Zidane so what makes him our next manager? ??
 
He won’t be sacked, he won’t leave so we are stuck with him and the muppet players. Keane used to say that signing for Utd was just the beginning and you had to work and work again to maintain and improve your personal standards. Too many are coasting imho. Some shouldn’t be there. Sanchez is a big let down, Martial is too moody, we only have one World Class player and that’s DeGea. Pogba needs a big season to be considered as a World class player.

The thing about Sanchez is I don't think he's coasting. He's not thinking 'I've got it made, don't need to bother anymore'. He's really trying. It's just not working out for him at all.
 
I keep asking the same question - who do you want to replace him ??

The only name I see is Zidane.

The real problem with United is lack of stability since the GOD retired.
How long did Zidane stay at Madrid.

Ok, we replace JM with Zidane. Do we really believe that he will turn this squad into serial winners.

There is (as many have rightly said) far too many average players taking massive wages for little end product. These need to be moved out and a hungry squad created - hungry for success and prepared to do whatever it takes to achieve success.

I know very little about Zidane so what makes him our next manager? ??

There is no quick or obvious fix but when one has been tried and tested, and still is not working, you call it a day.

You don't keep flogging a dead horse.
 
I didn’t say leave Unied and go to another PL team. I am saying Mourinho will go elsewhere and be a success. Meanwhile we will be in the same position as now with another manager.

Woodward needs to go for an actual footballing person. We need a director of football and need to install a footballing philosophy that all new managers must abide by. If they breach the philosophy then there should a contract clause that dismisses the manager from his contract with no compensation.

Based on what?

Do people genuinely not think a new manager could come in and do a whole lot better than the tumescent filth we see most weeks? I'm finding it bonkers the way people think it'll take many many years to get us playing decent football again, it won't, if we make the right appointment.
 
While the football is so bad and we are falling further out of contention, then the 'brand' will suffer. You would think that should be the one thing that worries Ed.
 
While the football is so bad and we are falling further out of contention, then the 'brand' will suffer. You would think that should be the one thing that worries Ed.
You'd think Ed would have worried that Utd was the team not on the TV in the US, and would have bought the players Jose said he needed to succeed this year. (Or he's had gotten rid of Jose, but that would have been really silly after finishing 2nd last year.)

As it is, I can watch City and Liverpool and Arsenal on the tv....Utd is relegated to the streaming sites.
 
You'd think Ed would have worried that Utd was the team not on the TV in the US, and would have bought the players Jose said he needed to succeed this year. (Or he's had gotten rid of Jose, but that would have been really silly after finishing 2nd last year.)

As it is, I can watch City and Liverpool and Arsenal on the tv....Utd is relegated to the streaming sites.
It should be a big worry. Sponsors want exposure on the main TV channels. If we don't improve I can see more and more 3.00 p.m. k.o along the way.
 
While the football is so bad and we are falling further out of contention, then the 'brand' will suffer. You would think that should be the one thing that worries Ed.

Ed isn't completely clueless on that front. It's the reason why the Glazers have generally backed the managers, bar this summer (Ed getting cold feet over Jose's targets upon seeing Sanchez flop). Also, the briefings earlier by him indicated that he was hopeful Jose would succeed in creating an entertaining brand of football, though he wouldn't hesitate to sack him should things turn bad.

We are in no danger of becoming Arsenal because the brand is too big to be merely content with Top 4. To maintain a big brand and bring in big sponsors, you have to think big. It's the utter incompetence in trying to achieve it that's causing all the trouble.
 
Ed isn't completely clueless on that front. It's the reason why the Glazers have generally backed the managers, bar this summer (Ed getting cold feet over Jose's targets upon seeing Sanchez flop). Also, the briefings earlier by him indicated that he was hopeful Jose would succeed in creating an entertaining brand of football, though he wouldn't hesitate to sack him should things turn bad.

We are in no danger of becoming Arsenal because the brand is too big to be merely content with Top 4. To maintain a big brand and bring in big sponsors, you have to think big. It's the utter incompetence in trying to achieve it that's causing all the trouble.
It's where we go from here. Yes we all know about the philosophy of the club etc. It is finding the right man to deliver.
 
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