The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Nostradamus]

Hmm shite.

Can't think of any other unproven choice better than him. Still if he does well there we can try and lure him the season after next.

I have no doubt that he is going to do great there and then I can see no possible scenario for him running away from that project after one year, nevermind Leipzig happiliy listen to what United want. Nagelsmann will be there for the next years and after gaining that experience he will be ready for his 1st elite club.

Bayern

 

[Rednotdead]

I used to be on the fence re Mourinho.

Now I'm off the fence, I see no future for us under him, I see only dismal football played at a funereal pace.

Enough.

 

[In Rainbows]

its madness, and I get headaches trying to process it. I keep seeing United fans going to bat for this man harder than Chelsea fans ever did. its such a twilight zone experience for me

I think it's due to them getting their standards lowered by Moyes and LVG. So anything better than them and it's seen as sufficient progress and a hint at future success.

 

[Westerkerk]

As a United fan I really, really want to see continuity because it's largely all I've known in my 33 years as a supporter, but ideally continuity borne out of consistency. I really think Jose should leave.

I'm not Mou's biggest fan, for a variety of reasons, but I honestly cannot see him instilling any sort of consistency here given time, more money, whatever.

You simply can not escape the basic facts. He's been here long enough to have put a roadmap together for our future success and to be showing we are able to follow through on that. The signings he has made have in the main not been successful in getting us to where we should be. Our style of play is confused, and at times completely rotten. He doesn't look settled here either. I can't see anything but mediocrity under him.

You have to look at Manchester United the football club, the institution, and say that the absolute minimum we should be aiming for, given our stature, the money we have spent, the players we have, and yes, the manager that we have - we should be aiming for top 2 and competing for the title come the end of the season. We're nowhere near that. If we're settling for anything less than that, then the club is rotten, in my opinion.

Again, look at the basics. We've had on paper what should be an easy start to the season. We've fluffed our lines massively if we are aiming to be champions, and why shouldn't we be aiming for that? We're nowhere near where we should be to achieve what should be our aims.

You can say it's the players, not the manager. You can say it's the board, not the manager. You can say it's the fans lofty expectations, not the manager. But I'm sick of this guy.

Look - we failed to beat Wolverhampton Wanderers at home in a season where, only a handful of games in, we have already slipped behind our rivals and don't look to be consistent enough to claw that back. The managers key signings are not performing to the level they should be. Our approach is confused, we are not effective offensively. Players look disjointed and make bad decisions. Defensively we go from looking slid one game, to atrocious the next. Jose's press conferences are a complete circus. Other teams are streets ahead of us in all departments. We have not progressed in years now.

Time for change.

 

[Judas]

The thing that gets me, we don't even have the things you'd expect from past Jose teams, we don't even have that part of his plan. I don't know what he wants to achieve, it all looks so completely unorganised. I don't know if he even knows what he stands for now, I think being at Utd has meant he knows he has to sacrifice some of his past methods because we demand a certain style, but he doesn't seem capable of implementing it.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

The thing that gets me, we don't even have the things you'd expect from past Jose teams, we don't even have that part of his plan. I don't know what he wants to achieve, it all looks so completely unorganised. I don't know if he even knows what he stands for now, I think being at Utd has meant he knows he has to sacrifice some of his past methods because we demand a certain style, but he doesn't seem capable of implementing it.

Yes this is spot on, it seems to me that he is at least trying something different, something more in keeping with what we have been asking for, but probably becasue he knows his usual approach won't be tolerated if we don't win things, which he can't do with this squad, and against such talented apposition managers/teams, or perhaps it's simply he can't do it without Faria at his side, and we are seeing some sort naive attempt at a new approach with the coaches input.

You can't expect a manager who has been so successful under certain methods to suddenly change his ways and it to work , and it's hard to have any faith that he can even get close to last seasons total playing this way.

 

[Castia]

The problem for me is I know the likes of Pogba, Martial, Alexis, Rashford etc aren’t bad players but under Jose the lot of them look fecking clueless.

We could go and sign Salah and Kane and we’d still somehow make them look rubbish in our system, it doesn’t seem to matter who we sign that’s the scary thing.

 

[AndyJ1985]

The problem for me is I know the likes of Pogba, Martial, Alexis, Rashford etc aren’t bad players but under Jose the lot of them look fecking clueless.

We could go and sign Salah and Kane and we’d still somehow make them look rubbish in our system, it doesn’t seem to matter who we sign that’s the scary thing.

Which is why I fully support Woodward in not making any more massively expensive transfers when the manager can't even get the best out of what he already has.

 

[Kag]

I can’t wait until this halfwit leaves the club.

The football remains woeful, as it has done for the majority of his tenure. Now the results aren’t even there. We need to sack him before it’s too late. Which we won’t.

 

[wolvored]

Another p*ss poor pefformance at home against a no mark second rate cheap as chips wolves ffs!
Until Jose goes we are stuck with very boring mediocre football. How Sanchez can take £500,000 a week is the crime of the century, a total disgrace, he's not worth £50,000 per week, total dross.

Have you watched the Wanderers play? They play to a really good standard and in a season or two will be another city/chelsea. They have the second richest owners in football, who want to build the club up.

 

[izec]

Was always going that way. Remember when some thought he wants to settle down and dreamed of Jose staying for 4,5 years or even longer here. We rewarded him with a contract extension last season. The club has no clue what they are doing.

I was Jose out since that Sevilla defeat, most embarrassing game under Jose by a mile. And then his subsequent meltdown. He is finished, the sooner we get rid the better. But as usual, we will sack him at the end of the season when everything is lost already

 

[wolvored]

I guess people wanted him for a long time and some felt he should've been the man to replace Fergie. Now he's here it's too difficult to give up on all this. It's almost 2 years and a half and we are still fighting to get into the top 4. our rivals have only gotten stronger and left us behind. Where's the progress lol?

The thing is he probably would have worked straight after Fergie imo. We had better tried and tested players then. We had a superb striker in van persie and although coming to an end Vidic Rio and Evra (including a younger Valencia) were still better than anything we have now. We probably would have won the league in his first season. We would have had a different manager now as well

 

[Judas]

Have you watched the Wanderers play? They play to a really good standard and in a season or two will be another city/chelsea. They have the second richest owners in football, who want to build the club up.

Is that true? I knew they had money, but had no idea their pockets were that deep.

 

[simplyared]

Time for the board to take it's responsibility and act for the good of the club. Mourinho will not turn this around. We are a midtable club which is unnaceptable for Man Utd. Let Carrick take over as caretaker until we get a long term replacement.

 

[JPRouve]

Have you watched the Wanderers play? They play to a really good standard and in a season or two will be another city/chelsea. They have the second richest owners in football, who want to build the club up.

Are they the second richest owners in football? Pinault(Stade Rennais) who isn't the richest owner in football, is richer than all Fosun's owners put together.

 

[edgar allan]

Can we give him till Christmas?

 

[Igor Drefljak]

I was one of fans who wanted him gone before the season started.
I knew that was unrealistic as he finished second, but I saw cracks last season and I knew that second is the best we'd be getting from him. We do a predictor every year at work, and I had us third for this season, so before the season started, I expected us to go backwards. (I may have picked worse but with changes at Arsenal and Chelsea you just never knew what to expect) Problem is, we won't even finish third if this carries on.

What I worry is, how long do we wait? We need to act. Liverpool acted early with Klopp, we need to do the same. The season is going to continue like this as he hasn't got a clue.
We've seen it, we've been awful all season. I think only Burnley you can look at and say we played alright, and that was down to Burnley trying not to lose. Other clubs are coming to win and we struggle.
Yesterday for all our possession etc, yet again, De Gea was the difference, Wolves look a much better side attacking than we do.

What I don't get is, Woodward didn't want to back him. With the players Mourinho wanted, to an extend I don't blame him, but that in itself is the beginning of the end.

Mourinho just isn't getting the best out of his players. Like the rest, I've not been impressed with Sanchez, but I wonder what another manager can get out of him, as with the rest of the squad.
Martial being another example, stick him in that Liverpool side and he'd probably look a world beater, yet here, we want him out because we're useless.

 

[predator]

Even though this post is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, every criticism contributes to the general outlook from us as fans. I dont like to criticise people who are scrutinised daily by the msm because it must be quite unbearable but mourinho has to go.
We are just not good enough and despite a few promising signs, we are no way near winning the league.


Something has to give. All due respect to mourinho but I will take a gamble on pretty much anyone at this stage because quite frankly I don't think we can get much worse.

 

[edgar allan]

I was one of fans who wanted him gone before the season started.
I knew that was unrealistic as he finished second, but I saw cracks last season and I knew that second is the best we'd be getting from him. We do a predictor every year at work, and I had us third for this season, so before the season started, I expected us to go backwards. (I may have picked worse but with changes at Arsenal and Chelsea you just never knew what to expect) Problem is, we won't even finish third if this carries on.

What I worry is, how long do we wait? We need to act. Liverpool acted early with Klopp, we need to do the same. The season is going to continue like this as he hasn't got a clue.
We've seen it, we've been awful all season. I think only Burnley you can look at and say we played alright, and that was down to Burnley trying not to lose. Other clubs are coming to win and we struggle.
Yesterday for all our possession etc, yet again, De Gea was the difference, Wolves look a much better side attacking than we do.

What I don't get is, Woodward didn't want to back him. With the players Mourinho wanted, to an extend I don't blame him, but that in itself is the beginning of the end.

Mourinho just isn't getting the best out of his players. Like the rest, I've not been impressed with Sanchez, but I wonder what another manager can get out of him, as with the rest of the squad.
Martial being another example, stick him in that Liverpool side and he'd probably look a world beater, yet here, we want him out because we're useless.

Martial is not a worldbeater full stop, not with us not with France. Sanchez was poor for Arsenal before we signed him and he has kept his standard.
Signing and continuing to play him is a fair criticism not that he is responsible for his poor play.

 

[Bestofthebest]

Big problem if Jose goes. If Woodward is part of the mechanism for choosing the new manager, which he surely would be, then he can have no escuses if his choice fails. That would be four useless choices since 2013 and would mean he would have to resign too. I can't see that happening. We will be in relegation territory before there is real action on change of manager or CEO and my money would be on Ed surviving because he still brings in the money.

 

[Amir]

Have you watched the Wanderers play? They play to a really good standard and in a season or two will be another city/chelsea. They have the second richest owners in football, who want to build the club up.

Agreed that they are of higher quality than your average newely promoted side. But having money doesn't allow them to bring in United/City/Chelsea level players yet. We should be doing a whole lot better against them.

 

[HybridMoments]

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"

 

[Amir]

The thing that gets me, we don't even have the things you'd expect from past Jose teams, we don't even have that part of his plan. I don't know what he wants to achieve, it all looks so completely unorganised. I don't know if he even knows what he stands for now, I think being at Utd has meant he knows he has to sacrifice some of his past methods because we demand a certain style, but he doesn't seem capable of implementing it.

Yep, that's exactly it. It's not that we play like his previous sides and it's just not working anymore. I don't know what this is supposed to be, really.

 

[Amir]

I guess people wanted him for a long time and some felt he should've been the man to replace Fergie. Now he's here it's too difficult to give up on all this. It's almost 2 years and a half and we are still fighting to get into the top 4. our rivals have only gotten stronger and left us behind. Where's the progress lol?

I'm a big Jose fan. Even ten years ago he was the one I wanted to replace Fergie when the time came, so I was happy when he finally got the job. But bottom line is, it's not working. I don't understand how people can't see that.

Maybe it's fear of the unknown. He was pretty much our last shot in terms of proven managers who are considered almost guarenteed success. There's no one with that sort of CV available now.

 

[Kapardin]

Which is why I fully support Woodward in not making any more massively expensive transfers when the manager can't even get the best out of what he already has.

Completely agree. Woodward deserved criticism for his handling of the club, but it was dumb to do it at a time when Jose was (rightly) coming under criticism. The guys who flew the plane basically exonerated Jose of all faults in their statement, I am not sure how they arrived at the conclusion that signing Willian and Toby solves all our problems.

Now, the situation is more complicated. It is well known Woodward is weak and often flip-flops on issues; if Jose has us in 7th-8th by Christmas, will Woodward do what's right and sack him, or hesitate because of perceived fan support for Jose and fear of further backlash against him? That plane idea could well have ruined our season.

Look at how Fred played yesterday. Put him in Klopp's system and he, as well as some of the other players will do that and more consistently. But under Jose, players never have that motivation because he doesn't coach them in that manner.

 

[Crustanoid]

Sack him

He was only a good idea because we thought he could win stuff.

He hasn’t-plus he’s made out football the antithesis of what United stands for, is massively ineffective, and has turned talented footballers into QWAP or whatever that game was called. Routinely.

Unfortunately even if our imbecilic board do sack him soon we still have another problem. That the club is run by parasitic cancerous leeches.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

What will end up happening is that Mourinho will leave for another club and end up winning the league. We will get a new manager who will replace half the team like LVG and Mou have done, we won’t win the PL for another 3 seasons and everyone will be calling for that manager to be replaced. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Ballache]

What will end up happening is that Mourinho will leave for another club and end up winning the league. We will get a new manager who will replace half the team like LVG and Mou have done, we won’t win the PL for another 3 seasons and everyone will be calling for that manager to be replaced. Rinse and repeat.

Exactly. That's what people don't seem to understand.
We need to make corporate decisions on how we operate.
This goes beyond Mourinho or any football manager at the club.
If we keep on appointing managers and hoping for the best without building proper foundations we will never move forward.

 

[FootyGirl88]

I'm a big Jose fan. Even ten years ago he was the one I wanted to replace Fergie when the time came, so I was happy when he finally got the job. But bottom line is, it's not working. I don't understand how people can't see that.

Maybe it's fear of the unknown. He was pretty much our last shot in terms of proven managers who are considered almost guarenteed success. There's no one with that sort of CV available now.

That's exactly what it is - some people on here have said themselves if Jose can't win with us who else can?

Football is not as black and white as that, we'll probably do it with the manager we least expect tbh if not win then at least challenge. For example pool got Brendan Rogers and nearly one the league and they got him from Swansea! What had he won etc before he went to pool? But he got them close to winning league a lot closer than we have been since SAF left. So my point is we need to stop worrying about the name and go for a manager that plays a good brand of football first and foremost.

 

[Kapardin]

What will end up happening is that Mourinho will leave for another club and end up winning the league. We will get a new manager who will replace half the team like LVG and Mou have done, we won’t win the PL for another 3 seasons and everyone will be calling for that manager to be replaced. Rinse and repeat.

When both Jose and LvG have underperformed and made poor signings, what do you expect? If we get the appointment right, we won't need to tear it all up and go back to the drawing board each time. Plus, it isn't a rule that if we buy 5 players, we can't challenge immediately for the title. Look at how many players City signed, there is no "adapting period" for them because the signings were spot on except for Bravo and Nolito.

What league will Mourinho win? Bayern won't employ him. If he joins Inter, Juve won't be overhauled. The only league he could win would be with PSG, and they will sack him once he has his Sevilla moment with them in the CL. Jose has been woeful tactically in the CL ever since he rejoined Chelsea.

Exactly. That's what people don't seem to understand.
We need to make corporate decisions on how we operate.
This goes beyond Mourinho or any football manager at the club.
If we keep on appointing managers and hoping for the best without building proper foundations we will never move forward.

We appoint a good manager, we will get the proper foundations. What foundations could you expect with a past it Sanchez, an average defender like Lindelof, or Matic who's getting on? And the ones who could be foundations, like Pogba, Jose is pretty much at loggerheads with and they want out.

The key is in making the right appointment. Until then, nothing wrong with sacking existing managers and going back to the drawing board.

 

[Treble]

What will end up happening is that Mourinho will leave for another club and end up winning the league. We will get a new manager who will replace half the team like LVG and Mou have done, we won’t win the PL for another 3 seasons and everyone will be calling for that manager to be replaced. Rinse and repeat.

Mourinho won't be hired by a club that can win the league. Even Arsenal wouldn't go for him. Only Chelsea might consider him but I doubt they would want him. Sarri has been there for 2 months and they already have an identity whereas Jose's United looks as if he took over yesterday and not 2 years prior to Sarri. Football has moved, Jose hasn't.

 

[sunama]

Mourinho won't be hired by a club that can win the league. Even Arsenal wouldn't go for him. Only Chelsea might consider him but I doubt they would want him. Sarri has been there for 2 months and they already have an identity whereas Jose's United looks as if he took over yesterday and not 2 years prior to Sarri. Football has moved, Jose hasn't.

Most clubs in the World would happily replace their own manager with Jose. That probably includes Arsenal (though as he has just been hired, that won't happen after a few months).
It boggles the mind why so many MUFC fans berate the manager who has won 2 trophies in the last 2 seasons (more than most teams in the league). He got us our highest league placing, since SAF retired. We made the FA Cup final just a few months ago.

I can see his next club being PSG and him winning all major trophies for them.

I think I am living some sort of alternate reality. The actual reality is that we finished near the bottom of the league last season and we haven't ever won a trophy under Jose.

I am completely flummoxed.

 

[Treble]

Most clubs in the World would happily replace their own manager with Jose. That probably includes Arsenal (though as he has just been hired, that won't happen after a few months).
It boggles the mind why so many MUFC fans berate the manager who has won 2 trophies in the last 2 seasons (more than most teams in the league). He got us our highest league placing, since SAF retired. We made the FA Cup final just a few months ago.

I can see his next club being PSG and him winning all major trophies for them.

I think I am living some sort of alternate reality. The actual reality is that we finished near the bottom of the league last season and we haven't ever won a trophy under Jose.

I am completely flummoxed.

2 micky mouse trophies against average opposition ( Soton and Ajax) prove nothing. When you struggle to outplay average teams like Leicester and Wolves at home (!) and concede more shots on target than them after having spent 400m on new players, well, something must be deeply rotten with your approach.

 

[Needham]

Friend of a Utd employee whose friend knows horoscopes says Mourinho's got till 11pm Nov 10th.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Most clubs in the World would happily replace their own manager with Jose. That probably includes Arsenal (though as he has just been hired, that won't happen after a few months).
It boggles the mind why so many MUFC fans berate the manager who has won 2 trophies in the last 2 seasons (more than most teams in the league). He got us our highest league placing, since SAF retired. We made the FA Cup final just a few months ago.

I can see his next club being PSG and him winning all major trophies for them.

I think I am living some sort of alternate reality. The actual reality is that we finished near the bottom of the league last season and we haven't ever won a trophy under Jose.

I am completely flummoxed.

I really don’t think there would be that much of a queue of the big clubs for him, I think Bayern have already said previously they wouldn’t want him can’t see City or Pool or even Arsenal being interested as he just doesn’t fit there brand they are pushing which is the same with PSG.

Juventus might be interested and maybe Perez might take him back to Real if he’s lucky but other than that I can’t see that many. You would think he’d be better having a stint as an international manager.

 

[Bestietom]

Every time we lose Mourinho blames players attitude. He is the manager and should make sure their attitude is right, it is his job. I am just fed up listening to him blaming the team all the time. He picks the team to play and too often changes it with the wrong players. Fred should not have been taken off for Mata yesterday and he keeps playing Sanchez when everyone else can see he is losing us possession every game. It is time we changed manager now before it is too late,and we will miss out on top four this season.

 

[Fracture90]

I'm more than aware he bought them but when they don't score we just sack the manager? So Allegri should be sacked because he bought Ronaldo and he didn't score for a while? Your logic is embarrassing. Name one manager who could come in now and do a better job. We had bags of chances and the finishing wasn't good enough today, Wolves scored against the run of play and we couldn't break them down after that. Blame the manager all you want but this won't improve under anyone else.

This just isn't true dude.

I never said that, but it's not entirely the managers fault. Every from the board down needs to take responsibility for this, and it's interesting how the players hide behind the manager whenever a result goes against us.

He subbed Martial and Mata in only to have them stay in and around the box to try and pick up some scrap if opportunity presents itself from all the hoofball's going Fellaini's way who at that moment was our target man. And no one can say it wasn't our tactics that it was Martial and Mata's own doing because we didn't even try to stretch the opposition and go wide and include them in build-up, we just hoofed everything straight from the defence or Pogba would come back, pick up the ball at our half and hoof it upfront.

I just don't see what you mean by "players hiding".

 

[Kapardin]

Friend of a Utd employee whose friend knows horoscopes says Mourinho's got till 11pm Nov 10th.

 

[sugar_kane]

On the one hand I feel like if we had centre backs who could play a forward pass to save their lives it might have a transformational effect on the team, therefore Woodward must take some of the blame.

On the other I see issues all over the pitch and players either rooted to the spot or running around without a clue, and that can only be down to the coaching.

 

[Garethw]

How can people still defend this man? I genuinely find it baffling.

Watching this team is a chore rather than a pleasure. The football on display makes my eyes hurt

Don’t be ridiculous mate, Mourinho is the only manager in the world that shouldn’t be judged until he has been fully backed in the transfer market and given a whole new squad of players-says redcafe 2018 .

I’m sick to death of the constant level of excuses I read on here.

The simple fact of the matter is that he has failed to do what was expected of him, which was to get us challenging again.

We are no closer to winning the PL or CL now than we were the day he took over.

There is absolutely no denying that Mourinho was a top class manager, but his time at United has shown that his game plan and tactics are now antiquated.

When an entire fecking team of players are underperforming week in week out, then you have to look to the manager.