The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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The holy trinity 68 said:
No way. He had PSG badly organised again Liverpool and defensively they were terrible. Keeping Mourinho is a much better option than him.
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PSG's problems run deeper than the manager - I'm looking at what he did at Dortmund and how he had them playing, especially in his last season.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
PSG's problems run deeper than the manager - I'm looking at what he did at Dortmund and how he had them playing, especially in his last season.
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Fair enough. However, United have deeper problems than the manager also. Why don’t you look at Mourinho and how he did at Porto, Inter, Chelsea and Madrid?

I don’t think many managers would sort our current mess out and if Mourinho can’t then there is little hope for the majority of managers out there.

We need a DOF and a chairman who actually understands football and is not just a glorified Banker/money man/sponsor signer.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
To be fair I can't think of one manager in world football who can make Neymar track back. But yeah, a midfield of Rabiot, Di Maria and Marquinos was really naive.
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Neymar actually tracked back a lot and was disciplined in his last season at Barca. Surely Zizou if he’s interested.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Fair enough. However, United have deeper problems than the manager also. Why don’t you look at Mourinho and how he did at Porto, Inter, Chelsea and Madrid?

I don’t think many managers would sort our current mess out and if Mourinho can’t then there is little hope for the majority of managers out there.

We need a DOF and a chairman who actually understands football and is not just a glorified Banker/money man/sponsor signer.
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Our problem is that we keep picking managers that don't fit the aesthetics of this club - the Jose we have is not the same Jose that was at Chelsea, Inter etc if it was I doubt we would be in this situation.

I agree we do need a DOF badly, that's another major issue at this club.
 
Tuchel would probably be the best option if we wanted a manager that plays attacking football, i'm not saying he's an amazing manager but probably the best we could get considering he would only have a year left on his contract after this season, but it's worth seeing how PSG do over the course of a season. Tuchel and Pochettino would be the best options, unfortunately we do not have many.
 
el3mel said:
I think Tuchel is an overrated manager but opinions. I feel Nagelsmann can be something big with some more experience.
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Have only watched one or two games of Hoffenheim - I'll have to watch them when they play against City in the next CL game
 
At least there's no DoF or scouting director here for Tuchel to fall out with. He'd just go straight to falling out with Ed instead.
 
Another p*ss poor pefformance at home against a no mark second rate cheap as chips wolves ffs!
Until Jose goes we are stuck with very boring mediocre football. How Sanchez can take £500,000 a week is the crime of the century, a total disgrace, he's not worth £50,000 per week, total dross.
 
Sarni said:
Because we actually finished 2nd last season and got two trophies in his first season. Every single time we don’t win a game it’s the same old song over and over again as if people are genuinely waiting for our slip ups to be able to moan.
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The second place is the best we are going to get under Mou. We wont be anywhere near 2nd this season. We had some freakish early 4-0 wins to help us there. There was one stand out team, and so far this season there is 3, and we aint one of the 3. We dont look like we got 4 goals in us so far this season.
 
We have a manager who peaked eight years ago in 2010. Expecting him to compete with Guardiola and Klopp is like Spurs in the early 00s expecting George Graham to go toe to toe with Ferguson and Wenger. We have yesterday’s hero. We may bag another league cup but he”ll never have us competing for the big prizes.

Before the obvious retort arrives, I realise he won the league in 2015 but the footballing landscape is very different to back then.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Fair enough. However, United have deeper problems than the manager also. Why don’t you look at Mourinho and how he did at Porto, Inter, Chelsea and Madrid?

I don’t think many managers would sort our current mess out and if Mourinho can’t then there is little hope for the majority of managers out there.

We need a DOF and a chairman who actually understands football and is not just a glorified Banker/money man/sponsor signer.
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That's bollocks isn't it? alot of people said mourinho wouldn't be a good fit, because he doesn't share the same values as the club. Attractive attacking football, developing youth and acwdemy players, buying young talent with the future in mind. He was brought in for instant success. His style and philosophy was never going to win united fans hearts but as long as he's winning it's alright.

Bring in an attack minded coach who is also a good motivator. give the lads the belief that they need. the talent is there, but sometimes they play like they are afraid to make mistakes. Shades of van gaal's reign at times.
 
Pls do not bring out his team at Chelsea or Real, it is not relevant. Football has changed and change at very fast phased. Mourinho is always there, defend deeply, wait for counter attack, have some talented individual up front to break down the defend. Real had BBC, Chelsea had Hazard, Costa and William.

1) If you said it is players fault not Mourinho, so what is the job description of the manager? Manager has to know to buy, to train, to giving belief, to get players out of their best, applying right tactics and finally to get result that they wanted. Take Klopp as example, look at James Milner at 32, Salah, Firmino, Mane, Roberto, Both left right back and cd... all are playing their best football now, huge improvement compare to their previous club. Pogba, Sanchez, Martial, Lukaku all expensive purchase could not even level the level in previous club, do not tell me it is not a manager fault.

2) He keep complaining about club does not supporting him, but look at the money he has spend, plus the previous money 2 previous managers had spent, this is not an excuse for sure. The team is full of talented players, and this is his 3 seaons, he should has all his players can play at his tactics. Complaining players, club in the public do not help either.
 
mu4c_20le said:
That's bollocks isn't it? alot of people said mourinho wouldn't be a good fit, because he doesn't share the same values as the club. Attractive attacking football, developing youth and acwdemy players, buying young talent with the future in mind. He was brought in for instant success. His style and philosophy was never going to win united fans hearts but as long as he's winning it's alright.

Bring in an attack minded coach who is also a good motivator. give the lads the belief that they need. the talent is there, but sometimes they play like they are afraid to make mistakes. Shades of van gaal's reign at times.
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Thing is that this is what Mourinho is doing, and people can't stop complaining. It's possible to win with the academy players if you have Paul Scholes, Roy Keane and Ryan Giggs as the basis of your team -- oh and can spend world record amounts on Rio and Rooney and Ronaldo besides. (Still it took a few years to win the league with that restart. )

Well Utd let the tank run down and then they went out and spent lots of money for names. Now we have a team of a few standout veterans and a bunch of inexperience. You see that in every game.

Mourinho asked for some experienced players and didn't get them. Would have been nice to have them today.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
PSG's problems run deeper than the manager - I'm looking at what he did at Dortmund and how he had them playing, especially in his last season.
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Inconsistently and poorly away from home? Not sure you want that!

His first season we played very well mostly, until the business end of the season where it fell of a cliff a bit. But his 2nd season included many inconsistent spells, and some very infuriating games.

Tuchel is a very good coach though of course. But his two seasons at Dortmund where night and day really.
 
steffyr2 said:
Thing is that this is what Mourinho is doing, and people can't stop complaining. It's possible to win with the academy players if you have Paul Scholes, Roy Keane and Ryan Giggs as the basis of your team -- oh and can spend world record amounts on Rio and Rooney and Ronaldo besides. (Still it took a few years to win the league with that restart. )

Well Utd let the tank run down and then they went out and spent lots of money for names. Now we have a team of a few standout veterans and a bunch of inexperience. You see that in every game.

Mourinho asked for some experienced players and didn't get them. Would have been nice to have them today.
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We got him Miki then Sanchez, now he wants perisic and willian, and wanted to rid martial. He wanted lindelof, got him, now he wants alderweireld. He wanted Fred and we got him. But he probably wants someone else. when does it end? That's why i dont blame woody fir halting the spending spree, at least temporarily.
 
Totally agree, I don't know how Mourinho''s supporters can't see the logic here?
 
MoskvaRed said:
We have a manager who peaked eight years ago in 2010. Expecting him to compete with Guardiola and Klopp is like Spurs in the early 00s expecting George Graham to go toe to toe with Ferguson and Wenger. We have yesterday’s hero. We may bag another league cup but he”ll never have us competing for the big prizes.

Before the obvious retort arrives, I realise he won the league in 2015 but the footballing landscape is very different to back then.
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I agree, sadly I think Jose is past it. Even though he is younger than the likes of Sarri and Bielsa I don't think he's close to them in terms of being a good football coach.
Look at what Sarri and Bielsa have done in a very short time at Chelsea and Leeds respectively. They both play attractive, attacking football and have a clear identity.
We are into our third season with Mourinho at the helm and still look a shambles, totally disjointed and seem to lack any type of playing style.
Lots of good coaches out there, Javi Gracia, Nuno Espirito Santo, Pochettino, Nagelsman etc. but everyone on here seems to think we can't hire a coach unless they're proven winners and have won it all before.

This is the kind of thinking that is holding us back. Mourinho is not going to deliver us the EPL title or Champions League, might win an FA Cup or League Cup but is that our ambition now?
On current form, if we extrapolate our points total after 6 games we are headed for 63 points! (I know it's only a small number of games but we need a big improvement immediately if we want to even challenge for top 4)

I think the title will be between City, Liverpool and Chelsea with a big gap to the teams chasing 4th (Spurs, Arsenal, Utd and maybe a few other surprising contenders)
 
mu4c_20le said:
We got him Miki then Sanchez, now he wants perisic and willian, and wanted to rid martial. He wanted lindelof, got him, now he wants alderweireld. He wanted Fred and we got him. But he probably wants someone else. when does it end? That's why i dont blame woody fir halting the spending spree, at least temporarily.
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It doesn't ever end of course -- didn't you watch Sir Alex? Every year the current players were evaluated, they were let go if they were no longer good enough. New players were brought in if they looked like an improvement. New players were brought in add a change to the team, and provide something new. Money was spent EVERY YEAR to improve the team on the field.

What do you think Utd is, an investment bank?
 
steffyr2 said:
It doesn't ever end of course -- didn't you watch Sir Alex? Every year the current players were evaluated, they were let go if they were no longer good enough. New players were brought in if they looked like an improvement. New players were brought in add a change to the team, and provide something new. Money was spent EVERY YEAR to improve the team on the field.

What do you think Utd is, an investment bank?
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Jose does not have the ability to manage a group of random 11 players - and make them play to the best of their ability ie get the best out of them.

That is something SAF can do.

Jose instead has a tried & tested method - if you don't fit in to it - you are out whether you are Good, deserving or not.

The tactics are the same, the type of footballers are the same, the age, his going back for ex players, the exact same style of football he implements.

His tactics are not the best in the league anymore - Danny Murphy said it perfectly; wolves didn't come to United being scared of us.
Jose however does have the ability to use tactics for big game matches where we play by either isolating their best player or some minor managerial changes like that - but does he have the flexibility to be play false 9's, 2AM's with 1CDM and having a strict style of football that teams end up having to revise about.. Not really.
 
If Zidane acutally wants the job (which I heavily doubt) We would be mental not to go for him right now. I actually don't even think he wants the job and especially in the middle of a season but if he would then I'd take him instantly. Jose will take us nowhere it's gotten to a point with him now where you expect feck ups after feck ups and no matter how much time they give him it's just going to end up in bitter dissappointment. The only positive thing about yesterdays game was that Sir Alex was back at Old Trafford. Just get rid of this fraud before something happens that both Jose and the club will regret.
 
steffyr2 said:
It doesn't ever end of course -- didn't you watch Sir Alex? Every year the current players were evaluated, they were let go if they were no longer good enough. New players were brought in if they looked like an improvement. New players were brought in add a change to the team, and provide something new. Money was spent EVERY YEAR to improve the team on the field.

What do you think Utd is, an investment bank?
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What year was money not spent under Mourinho?
When did SAF attempt to sign 3 big money center halves in consecutive years?
Just curious.
 
The Wolves Manager if he had someone like Pogba, Martial, DeGea and even players like Sanchez, Rashford and Fellaini would probably fight for the PL and qualify for the CL.
Jose needs to go.
 
Sarni said:
So surprised to see another overreaction to a bad result.

Not really.
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What a loathsome position to take - discounting so much valid criticism by acting like it comes from one game rather than 3 seasons.
 
Sing you a song said:
lingard offers so much more than Martial for the team .
Why on earth would anyone want Martial to start he has been abysmal and he carried virtually no goal threat
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Before Mourinho started using Sanchez instead of Martial he was one of the most effective players in the league. What the feck has Lingard offered the last matches (years) ?? NOTHING. He is average at best.
 
Kevin said:
Absolutely baffled why this man is getting so much love for having done so little for us. It's a cult.
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its madness, and I get headaches trying to process it. I keep seeing United fans going to bat for this man harder than Chelsea fans ever did. its such a twilight zone experience for me
 
People like to talk about how we don't have a style under Jose. I said this last year too as maybe what we see has been his style? It is not exactly a secret that we know from watching his teams and listening to his former flair players that his team does not really have a style going forward. It is all about individual brilliance.

And, people who like to talk about Jose's Madrid attacking power, I am sure we should know by now that it was a freak season for him and looking at his whole career, it was more or less a fluke with the best goal scorer in the history of the game at his peak.

But, I have to give him some credit that he is trying or letting other coaches change and fix some parts of our play for the last few games. So, I am hopeful it works before too late..for the sake of my sanity.
 
After more than 2 seasons of Mourinho at the club, the players in attack are still playing as if they played together for the first time. We are toothless in the final third most of the time.
 
Changed my vote. He's done. Has no clue how to set up an attacking team.
 
TsuWave said:
its madness, and I get headaches trying to process it. I keep seeing United fans going to bat for this man harder than Chelsea fans ever did. its such a twilight zone experience for me
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I guess people wanted him for a long time and some felt he should've been the man to replace Fergie. Now he's here it's too difficult to give up on all this. It's almost 2 years and a half and we are still fighting to get into the top 4. our rivals have only gotten stronger and left us behind. Where's the progress lol?
 
I'm so glad people are coming around and that it finally seems he"ll be gone.
I wanted him gone after like 15 games, I realized right away he was a fraud, tactically incompetent and just way past it.
How he kept surviving one debacle after another, how we kept lowering our standards for him and how we kept deluding ourselves is beyond me. How he survived Sevilla again...something I cant fathom again!!!

But fortunately the end is near or so it seems.
Finally!! Now he has us going backwards.

Good news in all of this is that I think most dont realize just what a disaster he is. Its worse than you think. But the good news is that it also means our team is really, really freaking good.
When a good manager takes over, our attack will be one of the best in the world. No one is stopping Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Lukaku under a good competent manager.
 
How can people still defend this man? I genuinely find it baffling.

Watching this team is a chore rather than a pleasure. The football on display makes my eyes hurt
 
Borussin said:
Inconsistently and poorly away from home? Not sure you want that!

His first season we played very well mostly, until the business end of the season where it fell of a cliff a bit. But his 2nd season included many inconsistent spells, and some very infuriating games.

Tuchel is a very good coach though of course. But his two seasons at Dortmund where night and day really.
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I thought he did well in his second season, you got to the CL semi final and won the Pokal cup.
 
People on here are so fickle, last week he was best thing slice bread and now want him out but will change their mind again if and when we beat Derby next week.

Mourinho is a has been and fraud and has been nothing short of an embrassment since he became our manager.

I can list numerous examples of his ineptness from transfers, tactics and begging Fellaini to stay but for me Woodward is also to be blamed for the club being in a mess.
 
Some people are fickle, some people just want to be positive and look for the good in results. Gets harder and harder to do so when you see a typical home game of us against newly promoted teams.
 
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