The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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DomesticTadpole said:
City and Liverpool both played in Europe and had no trouble dispatching their opposition. As Jose said after the game, Lingard and Sanchez did not play in that game, so there is no excuse for lethargy.
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City and Liverpool played against cack.

Sanchez may not have been affected physically but given he was on the bench mentally he played the game just like everyone else, then Lingard... you could give him 2 week's rest after every match and he'd still be a 6/10 right-winger.

Like I say I haven't seen the match yet but if you have a central defence that doesn't have the personnel to be watertight, if your lack of credible threat from the right-wing means the opposition can shuttle you down only half of the attacking space, AND you play an away midweek match in Switzerland before coming up against a fresh, heavily investing team that drew 1-1 against a fresh Manchester City, this result isn't beyond my understanding.
 
Kapardin said:
Mourinho has realized his old methods don't work, but he doesn't have a clue how to proceed. He tries to implement an attacking formation, but its' half-arsed and when our backs are against the wall, he reverts to long ball. Not really much of a change.
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I'm just wondering how he managed to score so many goals with Real Madrid when he never knew how to coach attack. He had Ronaldo, but was it not anything more than that? They didn't play long ball football, did they?
 
endless_wheelies said:
Manchester City got exactly the same result against Wolves so I'm suspecting confirmation bias ITT.
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Wolves were at home though and City won their other games. We've dropped points in three league games already.

I agree Wolves are a good side. Just looks like more of a bad result because of how far we are behind the leaders already.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Exactly - we can talk ever about how other clubs have better players in their squad - however to expect this to be the best capable with the players available is wrong. I say it repeatedly - why do we we have Lingard & Sanchez playing as wingers supplying one target man in Lukaku when we could scruple up 3 forwards be it from Rashford, Martial, Lukaku, Sanchez & Lingard - & have they in positions to actually be forwards rather than suppliers to one striker consistently.

People talk about Sterling like one of our players could not reach his level - he is doing fantastically well right now because he is a forward who is closer to the goal than he is to the touch line & his main role is to tap in goals rather than cross and hope a target man does his job on that day.

We should be doing better.
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I know it's harsh but honestly I would try playing without Lukaku. His technique is poor and he's disruptive to the fluency of our play. We've actually got a player who had a superb season (and preseason) at striker but we don't try him there for some reason. Martial may prefer to play up top but I'd chuck him on LW because he can do a decent job there if he's arsed, and he hasn't really convinced at striker so far (still needs to improve his movement by a lot though).

Lingard needs to play deeper because his strength is movement rather than in front of goal.
 
whatwha said:
I'm just wondering how he managed to score so many goals with Real Madrid when he never knew how to coach attack. He had Ronaldo, but was it not anything more than that? They didn't play long ball football, did they?
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Did I say he did not know how to coach any attack?

He does not know how to coach OUR attack, period. As for the reasons, only he knows. What we know is what we are seeing on the pitch.

Enough of the Real references. I think the idea that we will transform into a counter attacking machine like Real if Jose was allowed to buy Perisic/Willian and Toby should be put to rest.
 
Rash Decision said:
I actually think our 1st half against Spurs was our best performance so far this season, so with you on that. What's your opinion on why his big transfers haven't worked out?
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It's exceptionally hard to get individuals that are capable of consistently winning games on their own, even when we're talking about those of Robben/Hazard/Ribéry/Bale levels. I've always thought that Sterling would be doing well under Pep since he is an exceptional AND consistent dribbler which is required against low blocks, and while City do not have an attacker of Hazard's calibre (in terms of being capable of doing something out of nothing), they have a bunch of players that as a whole can easily compensate for that (KDB, Sané, Sterling, Agüero) especially when playing as high upfront as they do. Pogba is that kind of player but he is still a centre mid first and foremost, Martial is a very good dribbler and Lukaku is able to dominate any center back but both are still very inconsistent to be relied upon, certainly in a system like Mou's. Sanchez albeit playing way out of form has never ever been a dribbler, and he isn't some physical beast either. I think someone like Bale/Hazard or a prime Ibra would have made a huge, huge difference for your team (much more than if they were going to Pool for instance), but these kind of players are pretty much impossible to get nowadays. He will need to set up more offensively (which he is doing right now) to compensate for the lack of absolutely world class attacking talent upfront.
 
Damien said:


Been a constant problem since Fergie left, really.
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There has been a specific issue with our attack since Mourinho came in though. In that it's almost impossible to see evidence of what coaching he's doing with them.
 
crossy1686 said:
Yes, calling for the manager to be sacked because Lukaku and Sanchez were poor is embarrassing.
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Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Mata... A bunch of pretty good football players who regularly look underpar for us. This isn't about one match at all. It's just that we've seen that match over and over again.
 
JDoe said:
It's exceptionally hard to get individuals that are capable of consistently winning games on their own, even when we're talking about those of Robben/Hazard/Ribéry/Bale levels. I've always thought that Sterling would be doing well under Pep since he is an exceptional AND consistent dribbler which is required against low blocks, and while City do not have an attacker of Hazard's calibre (in terms of being capable of doing something out of nothing), they have a bunch of players that as a whole can easily compensate for that (KDB, Sané, Sterling, Agüero) especially when playing as high upfront as they do. Pogba is that kind of player but he is still a centre mid first and foremost, Martial is a very good dribbler and Lukaku is able to dominate any center back but both are still very inconsistent to be relied upon, certainly in a system like Mou's. Sanchez albeit playing way out of form has never ever been a dribbler, and he isn't some physical beast either. I think someone like Bale/Hazard or a prime Ibra would have made a huge, huge difference for your team (much more than if they were going to Pool for instance), but these kind of players are pretty much impossible to get nowadays. He will need to set up more offensively (which he is doing right now) to compensate for the lack of absolutely world class attacking talent upfront.
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Cheers. Food for thought. We did see how much a declining Ibra made to the creativity of our attack (albeit not the goalscoring), but I put it down to the fact that he was actually a very good target man, unlike Lukaku.
 
Minimalist said:
Stop trolling.
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How is that trolling? If Fred scores that free kick or Sanchez actually does something we would have won that game. Don't see how that's the managers fault, we had games like this under Fergie every year. I'm more interested in seeing how we respond. We can't keep going from 'Jose out' when we lose to 'Give him more time' when we win. It's about as bipolar as it gets.
 
crossy1686 said:
How is that trolling? If Fred scores that free kick or Sanchez actually does something we would have won that game. Don't see how that's the managers fault, we had games like this under Fergie every year. I'm more interested in seeing how we respond. We can't keep going from 'Jose out' when we lose to 'Give him more time' when we win. It's about as bipolar as it gets.
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Those are different people saying those things. :lol:

Frankly you are trolling if you think one match is why people are unhappy with our management. I haven't been convinced since he arrived - I think the attack has been a big problem since day one and he's never delivered on that (improving it).
 
Amir said:
Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Mata... A bunch of pretty good football players who regularly look underpar for us. This isn't about one match at all. It's just that we've seen that match over and over again.
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They all looked good or at least decent in the last three games that we won.
 
Damien said:


Been a constant problem since Fergie left, really.
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It's not a surprise though. Out of all big clubs around, we're the only one who has zero planning in the market and is just buying who's the available for the sake of spending. 6 years post Fergie and still looks like the next manager will have a lot of job to do to sort this squad out. Not good.
 
A tired Burnley and a poor Young Boys are our 'meat and drink' matches, whereas most elite clubs will batter us unless we play ultra-defensive, so I think it's fair to say teams like Leicester and Wolves are about our level, games that could easily go either way when playing to attack.

I have no doubt we'll finish higher than clubs like that, but that'll be more down to a deeper squad than been better.

As has been said Jose only works if he wins, and he simply doesn't have the tools to do it anymore, both in players, and tactics, so it's just marking time now until we roll the dice again imo, not that it'll necessarily get better.
 
Kapardin said:
Did I say he did not know how to coach any attack?

He does not know how to coach OUR attack, period. As for the reasons, only he knows. What we know is what we are seeing on the pitch.

Enough of the Real references. I think the idea that we will transform into a counter attacking machine like Real if Jose was allowed to buy Perisic/Willian and Toby should be put to rest.
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Lol, I never said you said so. I'm not a Mourinho fan. I'm just wondering about the discrepancy. What happened between 2012 and the time he took over at Utd, that made him lose all offensive ideas.
 
whatwha said:
Lol, I never said you said so. I'm not a Mourinho fan. I'm just wondering about the discrepancy. What happened between 2012 and the time he took over at Utd, that made him lose all offensive ideas.
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Perhaps his ideas haven't kept up with the evolution of football tactics. Also believe that goal difference doesn't matter as much in La Liga so teams would play a more open game trying to score, hence his success in Madrid. The PL currently also has a number of very very good coaches and so his competition now is much stiffer.
 
He looked awful, tired and bedraggled before the game today. Did anyone else notice? Something clearly wrong with him imo. Sad to see after all he's acheived in football.
 
whatwha said:
I'm just wondering how he managed to score so many goals with Real Madrid when he never knew how to coach attack. He had Ronaldo, but was it not anything more than that? They didn't play long ball football, did they?
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At that time, their starting line-up was something like:

Casillas (at his peak), Arbeloa (at his peak), Ramos (at his peak), Pepe (at his peak), Marcelo (at his peak), Khedira (at his peak), Alonso (at his peak), Ozil (at his peak), di Maria (quite young, but bloody good), Ronaldo (at his peak), Benzema (at his peak).

Then they had Kaka, Higuaian, Morata, Diarra, Callejon, Varane, Carvalho, Nacho, Albiol, Sahin, Altintop.

They didn't need to be coached.
 
Mb194dc said:
He looked awful, tired and bedraggled before the game today. Did anyone else notice? Something clearly wrong with him imo. Sad to see after all he's acheived in football.
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He didn't, he looked normal. We can talk about his football but this talk about him looking lousy is made up. If anything he has been really positive and upbeat last few weeks.
 
wub1234 said:
At that time, their starting line-up was something like:

Casillas (at his peak), Arbeloa (at his peak), Ramos (at his peak), Pepe (at his peak), Marcelo (at his peak), Khedira (at his peak), Alonso (at his peak), Ozil (at his peak), di Maria (quite young, but bloody good), Ronaldo (at his peak), Benzema (at his peak).

Then they had Kaka, Higuaian, Morata, Diarra, Callejon, Varane, Carvalho, Nacho, Albiol, Sahin, Altintop.

They didn't need to be coached.
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There's no team that good that it doesn't need to be coached. Was prime Barcelona coached?
 
I'd decided weeks ago I wanted a change in manager and I've not changed my opinion since. Mourinho is going to miss out on top four this season with the current system he has in place, decent teams don't fear us anymore, Wolves came for the win today and could have easily taken it towards the end.

We're a poor team made worse by negative tactics, I kind of feel he's doing something similar to Benetiz at Newcastle but with better players. He's not allowing them to play, he's asking them to be so rigid they've all lost the ability to attack.
 
The problem isn't the players that have been bought - it's what he does with them. I don't care what he did with Porto, Chelsea, Real Madrid - in my opinion he is one of the managers who get the least out of his players in the P.L - so of course we need someone better.
 
Kevin said:
Absolutely baffled why this man is getting so much love for having done so little for us. It's a cult.
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It's pretty obvious.

A lot of reds are scared to admit that José's been a bust because he was supposed to be the saviour that brought us back to the top. Admitting that he's lost it is like admitting we won't be getting back to the top, even though it'd still be possible with long term thinking instead of our current short term one.

And then there's some who think he's actually doing a good job. Fair enough to those that think so but I really disagree with it.
 
Amir said:
Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Mata... A bunch of pretty good football players who regularly look underpar for us. This isn't about one match at all. It's just that we've seen that match over and over again.
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All 3 are pretty damn average for Man United standards. None of them would get in past United sides. They offer very little when they actually start games. Them 3 and Lingard need to go if we ever want to challenge for the PL and CL.

The whole defence except Shaw and Smalling need to go.

We will never get anywhere regardless of the manager with half of this team. Half the team is totally bang average.
 
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Would sack him and get someone in while the season is still salvageable.
 
elnorte said:
I'd give him all the way to next season. This summer's transfer was enough of a fiasco that he deserves another one to make it right.
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Feck me! So you'd give him next season, no matter how badly this one goes?
 
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