The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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I honestly think that Mou has been trying to set up your team a lot more positively starting from the Spurs match. This is basically a huge change in style and will require considerable time, however. Tbh, I was more for him to be sacked before that Tottenham game than right now. His colleagues at the other big clubs have mostly been outperforming him though, no doubt about that.
Yes. And it would be the dog is after crapping in my slippers again, kinda surprise. We so badly need a new impetus injected into the club.
I think it's hard to deny that the intention is there. The big question is whether he has the ability to get us playing in a manner that has never been his strength. Still early days but so far he's not shown very much promise. Perhaps he'll eventually get it right if given enough time, but who knows how far we'll have fallen by then.
Feel oddly confident we have Zidane lined up and just need him to make top 4. Today's result wasn't lethal to our top 4 hopes
8 games?
True - but then he's taken so long to get this team sorted and ship out the players not good enough. Mata and Lingard are not good and should be first and second choices.
Too little too late
Don't worry it will be, because results like these are exact reason we can crash out from Champions League.
When team like Wolves are coming to Old Trafford for points...
Indeed, You look at Van Gaal's tenure and you'd have the odd good game (aside from that six-win run in his first season). I remember a really great 3-0 win over Hull, a terrific performance. But when it's a one-off you have to accept that it was a lot to do with the opposition.
Think Mata is finished. Lingard still has the best movement of all our attacking players and is useful to our game right now when most other players are too static. However he's really a roaming player rather than one who sticks on either wing, and doesn't fit in the 433 we're playing now.
Ultimately I think the club's hierarchy need to be braver too. Why not take a risk on a manager that hasn't had elite level experience but is showing all the signs of playing football the right way?
Take Nuno Espirito Santo as an example. He overachieved in his first job at Rio Ave, then he had a stint at Valencia, finishing a respectable 4th before ending up with an unsuccessful albeit competitive season at Porto, during which they went on a 30 match unbeaten run. The talent was clearly there, Wolves took a risk and he's done a fantastic job there too. Who is to say that he couldn't improve us?
The players can say whatever they want in the media, but they rarely (if ever) look like they're really enjoying themselves on the pitch. Everything looks like a chore to them.
Because they're lazy the go for managers based off name alone - they can't see past their hand when it comes to hiring managers.
I am still the bottom option in the poll, but there is unfortunately a lot of truth in this. What a fecking mess.
Think we don't really have much choice left, unless we go for boring options like Allegri or Simeone (ugh). It will be a risk and us fans will have to be prepared for a bumpy ride.
I'm finding it more and more difficult to support Jose. He's had 2 seasons and there's been no real improvements in our play style except the false dawns.
Bollocks to that.
I think it's more to do with calculated risk and a lack of ambition. The owners only care about a top four finish and financial gain. They will take a more reliable, more consistent and more experienced coach over a risky manager of potential.
Will not happen as an unproven manager is not "marketable". The clubs hierarchy only goal is $$$, and appointing a manager that is not known "worldwide" will not increase the reach of the brand that is MUFC. Read our business model and strategy: Playing entertaining football or winning trophies is not mentioned in either.
If/when we appoint a new manager it will be Zidane. Only one that makes sense financially.
Jose is doing some schizophrenic post match presses. Happy and sad and up and down. It's tragic to see his moods fluctuate so much.
Our performances of late are leaving a bitter taste in his mouth and ours, I really thought after young boys we'd use that as a footing for a bit of form but it's not happened.
Do we think the fire still burns inside of him as bright?
Our performances of late are leaving a bitter taste in his mouth and ours, I really thought after young boys we'd use that as a footing for a bit of form but it's not happened.
Do we think the fire still burns inside of him as bright?
It's weird because I like the consistency in the selections and the way we try to play. But our players don't form a team even in the moment where we are doing well it's not really collectively and to be honest I don't know who is more responsible the players or the staff.
Absolutely. You know your manager is fecking up when this is the case consistently (or even often).
Yeah, I agree. I think that you currently lack some true world-class attackers though. Most managers rely on individual skill in the final third (even Pep, Poch) and this is IMO the main reason why Mou has been struggling so much since his sides always had players that require very little coaching to still be brilliant in the final third, and your attackers that are supposed to constantly produce that kind of performance (Sanchez, Martial, Lukaku, Pogba to a degree) haven't been able to deliver for whatever reasons. Klopp is pretty much the only manager out there that I know whose attacking system doesn't need dribbling or brute strength but mainly pace, workrate and tactical awareness since his attackers usually have much more space to run into, resulting from their high pressing system IMO. If you got some like Tuchel, he'd need to ditch alot of your players that aren't technically gifted enough to play their system (Lukaku, Fellaini, some of your centre backs and fullbacks) AND probably one or two world class attackers which means that you'd have to rebuild your squad again.
Never changed my vote from a No. Still think we should get rid - not because of this result or any other bad result we may have - but because we need a different direction which he cannot provide. I'd take a chance and get someone else in. Give him this season to get settled in with no pressure and get ready for the next season.
If we aren't going to improve this season, whilst getting bad results, we're just making things harder for ourselves. We need to be proactive and start fixing our problems imho.
We also can't indulge Jose any longer with players that fit his style - because they go against what we expect of a Man Utd team. His philosophy will not work here so we need to stop wasting resources.
In any case, we'll just have to see what happens. Though I do believe whatever happens, this is his last season with us.
If we aren't going to improve this season, whilst getting bad results, we're just making things harder for ourselves. We need to be proactive and start fixing our problems imho.
We also can't indulge Jose any longer with players that fit his style - because they go against what we expect of a Man Utd team. His philosophy will not work here so we need to stop wasting resources.
In any case, we'll just have to see what happens. Though I do believe whatever happens, this is his last season with us.
How do we try to play? I genuinely don't know. Sanchez and Lingard consistently do sod all. Lukaku every now and then is in the right place at the right time to finish.
Fact is, our football is absolutely terrible. We sometimes win game merely because we have better footballers than our opponents (given we spend more) but the tactics/coaching/the collective is bang average. It tells me our manager is struggling.
We did hire Moyes...
Erm doesnt no mean his time isn't up?
Do you think this might be because tactics have evolved and it's not so easy for attackers to find their way around the attacking third without some structured patterns? I don't deny that our attackers aren't quite the best in the league (Sanchez was elite class not too long ago though and on the whole I think our attackers can be very good), but I find that attackers in teams like City just have more space to work with in the final third, which I believe is down to their movements being better coached to stretch defences. Our attackers just seem to run into brick walls time and time again and simply try to brute force their way through.
SAF hired/recommended Moyes. Then Woodward replaced Gill, and we all know what the main goal of this corporation has been since then.
The one appointment that wasn't Woodward's.
Mind you, I'm not at all sure marketing is the problem we might have with signing managers who are unproven at this level. More like, who at United's board/senior management has the knowledge to look at a younger manager and his football and decide he's good enough and the right fit?
So much easier to look at someone's CV. Don't need to be a football expert in order to sign Mourinho or Zidane.
Didn't watch the match but seems like a typical post-European result against tricky opposition.
Manchester City got exactly the same result against Wolves so I'm suspecting confirmation bias ITT.
Manchester City got exactly the same result against Wolves so I'm suspecting confirmation bias ITT.
Well we try to attack with more pace, more decision which is a big difference compared to last season. Now the reason why I'm puzzled is because of what you are saying, our front three is invariably poor and our midfield can't defend to save its life. To be frank I think that the blames are shared, our attackers aren't exactly good, none of them is particularly good at passing, dribbling or shooting, none have above average creativity which is why I don't understand how people can be that obsessed with CBs, if I was Mourinho I would have nightmares thinking about our attackers.
City and Liverpool both played in Europe and had no trouble dispatching their opposition. As Jose said after the game, Lingard and Sanchez did not play in that game, so there is no excuse for lethargy.
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. Seriously though, I struggle to think of someone other than Zidane.The Glazers will pass out with the money he would want to spend. You could see them just renewing every players contract and saying he has to make do.Juanma Lillo — Pep's teacher
Aye because they've been really cautious with their pennies since Ferguson retired...
Ah sorry my bad, It was that first sentence that through me off
apologies old sport.(sorry just watched The Gatsby)Then they will need to buy a lot of players. We just seem to be going nowhere.
They've spent more than enough so far. The only window that the manager didn't really receive financial backing was this summer and I'm pretty sure that it was down to Woodward not trusting Mourinho with his choices and sabotaging him (at least from what was reported). And btw Zidane did incredibly well basically without any signings — obviously, Madrid's squad is in another stratosphere compared to ours, but our squad is much better than what we showed today and we're beginning to forget that.
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