The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Kevin]

A goal difference of zero after 6 games

Our players are coached by morons. After all this time we still don't resemble a well drilled team. Our attack is still a shower of shit.

My vote of "Mourinho out" hasn't changed from the end of last season, and it never will. He's not the right man for our club and never will be.

You naughty kneejerking fake red, you!

 

[Judas]

Wow. Meltdown.
Every team has an off day from time to time. It isn’t as though we weren’t set up to attack. Bad day at the office up front. Simple as.

Can it really be just a bad day at the office when it was more or less a typical performance from us under Jose? We've seen that very so painful game, especially at home, so many times.

 

[Bojan11]

You naughty kneejerking fake red, you!

Who should we get in prof?

 

[Zahed]

So far we have beaten Leicester....without really deserving it. We beat a poor and very tired Burnley side....and we just about beat Watford....who in the last 20 minutes were all over us. That's a really impressive season so far.

 

[Cassidy]

He won't be here next season. The Sanchez signing was going to make or break him here, and it looks like its going to break him.

 

[izec]

Time to say goodbye. He is past it. Relys on Pogbas brilliance too much. Still no attacking structure. But what got me was how he switched Pogba to DM and Fellaini to CAM after the first half. What a basic decision to make a shambles of. What went through his mind? Whatever it was it shows he is gone and isnt a United calibre manager any longer.

He is always relying on Fellaini to save his lack of attacking idea. Did the same against Sevilla, lump the ball to CAM Fellaini and hope we score somehow

 

[Joseunited]

Wow. Meltdown.
Every team has an off day from time to time. It isn’t as though we weren’t set up to attack. Bad day at the office up front. Simple as.

Only 28 more off days to go then.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

I still think we're possible looking at 4th. But it's still not enough. The point is that you can clearly see that this is not a team that's on its way to special things in the future. That's the entire point. If you're not achieving special things now them you'd better be on the way to possibly doing so. Like Liverpool. Who look like they're building towards something great. Now the whole bloody football season for me has turned into one giant cuntfest of hoping Liverpool fail to win the league. But I can't deny they're on a decent path wherever it may lead. We're on the path going in the wrong direction.

I agree.

 

[Kapardin]

Wow. Meltdown.
Every team has an off day from time to time. It isn’t as though we weren’t set up to attack. Bad day at the office up front. Simple as.

We are 8 points off the top. How many bad days contributed to that?

 

[mu4c_20le]

I wrote this season off before it started..hopefully next season has a different manager and some of the current players will be nowhere near the first team. Think it will be a fair few years before we win a league again unfortunately.

what's funny is that a few days ago i was reading an article by a Liverpool fan, who basically admitted that the league is very difficult to win and it might take them a few years. the way we're playing now... try a decade or two, or never at all, until we shake things up.

 

[RMD83]

I’m not Jose’s greatest fan but it has been much improved the last few weeks. That game today is not nearly enough to be the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Jed I. Knight]

So, so predictable.

At least we're nearing the end of this shit show. Not that I expect much to change with a new guy in charge. Until we fix the fundamental flaws in how the club is structured, we'll rely on luck to win the odd trophy here and there. Hopefully we can do it while serving up some entertaining football, though, even if that doesn't appear to be high on the priority list of the people at the top.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

Wow. Meltdown.
Every team has an off day from time to time. It isn’t as though we weren’t set up to attack. Bad day at the office up front. Simple as.

Difference between off day from time to time compared to the performances from this team in the last 10+ months, albeit sacking Mourinho after only 6 league games is a bit drastic.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

I agree. So why does Jose get all the blame from you then, why don't you also mention how poor Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard etc were? Instead of heaping everything on to Jose.

Because they are being very poorly managed - Lukaku is currently made to play as the only striker of Manchester United; playing all alone almost as a single target man until Fellaini gets up top.

A lot of our fans are talking about how we use 3 forwards - we don't; we use one with the other two primarily being suppliers that are wingers which is different to being a forward.

Why does he use a makeshift RW when he does not have to - he could change the formation to play 2 up top and the wing backs supplying widths - but no. Okay then, why doesn't he use Sanchez on the right if he is so insisted on using one formation with absolute Lumps in Central areas rather than technical players?

Someone said it perfectly before - when martial has the best first touch, the best ball control, the best dribbling and the best short passing to initiate quick reactive moves - why is Lukaku playing in the centre & not him?
Why do we technically play Lukaku in a position that he breaks down manoeuvre rather than use him in a position where he can finish it off - ie away from the centre.

Tactically - Jose knows one way only & is now in a position where that single type of tactic even with Carrick & McKenna's help is not good enough to win the league any more.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

He's going no where. The club are happy as long as we get in the CL and it doesn't affect our revenue.

Surely a manger of his calibre has more in his locker than hoofing balls up to Fellani?

 

[Raoul]

Wow. Meltdown.
Every team has an off day from time to time. It isn’t as though we weren’t set up to attack. Bad day at the office up front. Simple as.

We play feckless, unattractive football for a manager who flatters to deceive. What's not to love.

 

[fergosaurus]

Time to go Jose. Sick of this shit now. Our attacking play is blunt, our midfield (except Pogba when he can be arsed) has no creativity and our defence is a shambles. It's even harder to accept this type of tumescent shite when our bitter rivals are flying. It's only September and we're already in a dogfight for fourth and if I was a betting man I wouldn't even fancy us to achieve that. Get Zidane in and see what he can do.

 

[Minimalist]

We can debate all day about his role.

If he finishes outside the top 3, I don’t see why we’d continue with him.

 

[Kevin]

Who should we get in prof?

I'm not in charge so it's not my worry but I believe we should stop being scared about coaches outside of the few top names (same old ancelotti, pep, tuchel, klopp, mourinho, sarri, etc according to posters on here noone else seems worth going for). Why can't we look outside the box? Look at Bayern or Barca, big clubs, who dare to do so and reap their rewards. Mourinho won't do anything special for us.

 

[ZAGREB RED]

I am coming round to the idea that while he has an amazing track record, it's just not happening at United. The lack of attacking threat at times is chronic against teams that United should cope quite comfortably with.
I think it really will be a surprise if he is still at OT this time next year.
I hope I am wrong, but I'm running out of hope.

 

[AndyJ1985]

I’m not Jose’s greatest fan but it has been much improved the last few weeks. That game today is not nearly enough to be the final nail in the coffin.

No it hasn't. Every single team we've faced this season has outplayed us for large periods of the game. Even Young Boys were all over us. We somehow get the results through decent individual goals or slices of luck, but the performances are consistently terrible.

 

[Hound Dog]

I have changed my vote from No to Yes.

I really thought the Tottenham game was a start of something and what does he produce... Lukaku and Fellaini camping in the area looking for crosses for 20+ minutes.

I absolutely love him but it is past the point when I can defend him.

 

[ErranMorad]

Wow. Meltdown.
Every team has an off day from time to time. It isn’t as though we weren’t set up to attack. Bad day at the office up front. Simple as.

Wow. 10 points after 6 games with a zero goal difference, and going nowhere. I too wonder why people aren't jumping with joy.

 

[Raoul]

I have changed my vote from No to Yes.

I really thought the Tottenham game was a start of something and what does he produce... Lukaku and Fellaini camping in the area looking for crosses for 20+ minutes.

I absolutely love him but it is past the point when I can defend him.

I've been his biggest supporter here over the years....but the magic is gone. The stakes are simply too high for us to wallow in this feckless mediocrity for an entire season.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

No, you're entitled to moan but sacking the manager a few games into the season isn't productive is it? Especially when we could do a whole lot worse.

Worse?? How could we possibly do worse with any half competent manager?? Teams with just a tenth of the value of our team play with more more cohesion and fluidity and they're the ones who could argue its the quality of individual players that lets them down. Look at our squad, we should going to to toe with the best around but we're a far cry from that. 6th is as good as we are go a get down this road.

The sooner we get rid the sooner we can build for next season. Just pay the man off, get someone on a upwards trajectory in and try a sneaky top 4 finish. That would be a great achievement and a great platform to build on.

We are going nowhere currently. And that's more depressing than our football.

 

[Someone]

The truth is, when mourinho came in city weren't better than us and liverpool were worse. Right now they're clearly ahead in terms of style and consistency, while we always look like top 4 contenders. The clear difference for me was getting the right manager.

Some say we were spoiled by the fergie era, but we should expect to be challenging, not because we're entitled, but because we're spending on transfers and wages like the other top clubs, and when you do that and fail to challenge, or improve your style of football, the manager has to take responsibility.

 

[sam147]

He is always relying on Fellaini to save his lack of attacking idea. Did the same against Sevilla, lump the ball to CAM Fellaini and hope we score somehow

We were in the lead when he made the choice. Thats what makes it more of a stupid decision.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

We improved results wise. 2nd place last year wasnt bad. I should have said we are regressing, but i didnt want to rock the boat too much. Last season was the best he could do

The 2nd place last season does not reflect our on-field performance. Results/points from last season aside, if you create less chances and "concede" more chances compared to the opposition(Tottenham, Liverpool and City last season) then in the long run they will get better results/more points.

 

[tonnas]

Wow. Meltdown.
Every team has an off day from time to time. It isn’t as though we weren’t set up to attack. Bad day at the office up front. Simple as.

not when after 8 games we are -6pts

 

[BlueHaze]

To you guys who still think Jose is the right man, you can't be serious right? During Brighton away and Spurs at home and even today there was literally zero difference in tactics as to when Moyes was here. Just like when Moyes was here all I saw during these 3 games was us trying and trying with feck all happening accompanied by shocking defensive collapses. Look at the ammount of points we have right now after 6 games played, we would probably have the same if Moyes was still at helm. Look how Liverpool are playing bar their front 3, do they really have a better squad than us? There's no excuses for Jose anymore, the club has a big task ahead of finding the right fit because really that's what it's all about and it's obvious Jose is not the one.

Now the big problem is that with Woodward in charge of those decisions I can never see that happening. Just let the fact sink in that this will be the 6th year where the richest club in the world havn't even been close to challenging for the league. I've said it a hundred times but I'll say it again, Sir Alex was probably the only one who could ever win anything major under this awful ownership, he was just that special. I can never imagine Woodward being able to find the right man and it's incredibly frustrating that someone as clueless as him is in charge of the most important decisions.

 

[Borden]

Easy opening fixtures and yet we're left with only 10 points out of 18. Title challenge looks like a pipe dream at this point.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

We've scored 9 goals in 6 games. 0 goal difference.

1 good performance all season so far.

The season is a write-off already and top 4 will be a real battle.

Go Jose though.

 

[R'hllor]

Never was JM out but my reasons arent the same to those lunatics. For me at this point is not even about winning/losing, heck its not even about style anymore, we can win games and still look so freaking clueless when it comes to playing football, when we lose and chase result we dont throw kitchen sink at them, more like we are forcing things while looking like we have no idea what the feck we are doing.

We cant make a spell of 10 min let alone almost whole game of 80 plus.

 

[Judas]

I can't see him leaving before the seasons over. But I think it's been obvious for a good while, it's his final period with us.

 

[ErranMorad]

I've been his biggest supporter here over the years....but the magic is gone. The stakes are simply too high for us to wallow in this feckless mediocrity for an entire season.

It's true. But he is not going anywhere until the end of the season or until we are mathematically out of a top 4 running. He was correct when he jokingly asked, "You know how much will it cost for them to fire me?". Unfortunately we have no choice but to wallow in our mediocrity. It's frustrating.

 

[worldinmotion66]

The issue goes back to how Mourinho has castigated his players publicly. The whole team are afraid to lose the ball, which makes them afraid to take risks.

Only Pogba plays with a fluency, directness and bravery that is required to win a football match. Martial shows signs of it sometimes, which I think is why he has a lot of supporters. Fred is also more than happy to dribble out of trouble, but I am getting sick and tired of seeing our full backs or wingers in one-on-one situations, only to cut inside and pass backwards. It's cowardly.

We lack identity. We lack leaders. And we have a manager that is simply not getting enough out of the talent available.

 

[Rash Decision]

We've scored 9 goals in 6 games. 0 goal difference.

1 good performance all season so far.

The season is a write-off already and top 4 will be a real battle.

Go Jose though.

You mean the one against a tired midtable team who sat off us all game?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

You mean the one against a tired midtable team who sat off us all game?

Burnley were terrible, not denying that.

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

I am not a mourinho fan and don't want him as a manger from the next season but nothing wrong about today's game. The game could have been different if we played someone like Pereira from the deep instead of Fellaini, we could have created more chances, but that's an iff an Fellaini had a good game himself, so nothing wrong with that.

There is two big tasks ahead of him and that is what will he do with Lukaku, because with every new game he's showing he's not a Manchester United main striker, he should be treated like other player. I like tha lad and his character but he should be benched and used from the bench or tried out as a RW.

The other big task Sanchez problem, the guy is probably our worst option on the left out of 4 including Jesse Lingard. I reckon we should try him up top, it would be unusual to use a player like him as a false9 for Mourinho but what else, the guy fights not everything comes out for him but he fights and I thing if the ball is played to him through the lines on the ground he can actually hold the ball and make the runs which Lukaku doesn't seem to do. We have good midfielders to thread the ball through to him too and he would open a spot for a more traditional winger. Boom problem solved.

I don't htink he should be dconsidered a top manager anymore if he can't solve this and will stick to this

 

[Rash Decision]

Burnley were terrible, not denying that.

Not having a go at you. I just don't feel that we've really been convincing in any games unless the opponent is having a really bad day. We seem to lose all stability and control of the match the moment we try to push out of 2nd gear.