The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[pseudo_canadian]

Ready to sacrifice a testicle to shake things up and get someone like Zidane in.

Mourinho is past it.

 

[crossy1686]

The Sacred Order of the Stonecutters, apparently.

Would make a whole lot of sense.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Who bought Lukaku ?

What is your point? So what if he bought him, the player has a responsibility to perform once they put on the shirt and you shouldn't always take a big shit on the manager because a player didn't perform.

Look at Pogba today, who bought him? He was fantastic - are you going to give Jose credit for that?

 

[fishfingers15]

Eh? That's not a prediction based in reality then. If you thought we'd be fighting for the title, bless your soul. Of course we should be, what with the money spent and the time Jose has been here, but it wasn't going to happen, we're way behind our rivals.

Should make us competitive by getting the right management team and players then?

 

[Andersons Dietician]

It's fickle. A run of 2-3 wins and the vote shifts towards 'Mourinho in'

Just watch how it changes towards 'Mourinho out' over the next couple of hours. Currently 48.3%, bet it goes up.

You know that the percentage can change with the amount of “new votes” right. Have you been keeping track of those numbers. Because from what I can recall there looks to have been something like 50 new votes from when I last looked at it.

 

[dove]

Quite obvious we should start looking for a new manager. It's just not working. Seeing City constantly smashing teams 4-0 5-0 and us struggling to create anything against mid table teams is just devastating...

 

[pseudo_canadian]

Eh? That's not a prediction based in reality then. If you thought we'd be fighting for the title, bless your soul. Of course we should be, what with the money spent and the time Jose has been here, but it wasn't going to happen, we're way behind our rivals.

To clarify, when I say challenge for the title I mean to be in and around the top 3 - so essentially a continuation from last year.

Those expectations have quickly changed. I think we're looking at 7th-8th place as the "Third Season Mourinho Effect" kicks into gear.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Didn't see you bleating in here on Wednesday night.

Oh wow. We won a bloody football match. Hurray.

If he was here on Wednesday speaking out with regards to his opinion on Mourinho, you'd have laughed at it. Because we won a match at a tiny team in the CL.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Coach some attacking play and feed Lukaku and he will score. Sarri is making it work with Morata or Giroud up top, and Lukaku is no better or no worse than those two.

He had chances today, good ones. Even that offside chance he should of bagged and he put it way wide.

 

[Raoul]

What is your point? So what if he bought him, the player has a responsibility to perform once they put on the shirt and you shouldn't always take a big shit on the manager because a player didn't perform.

Look at Pogba today, who bought him? He was fantastic - are you going to give Jose credit for that?

Yes the players have a responsibility to perform, just as much as the manager has a responsibility to get the squad to perform. Unlike the manager, the players are simply individual pieces of a puzzle and its the manager's responsibility to make the pieces work. If they don't then its all on him.

 

[Kapardin]

Quite obvious we should start looking for a new manager. It's just not working. Seeing City constantly smashing teams 4-0 5-0 and us struggling to create anything against mid table teams is just devastating...

Another three results like this and the end is near. Woodward won't wait till end of the season if Top 4 is in jeopardy I reckon.

 

[Joseunited]

Fecking false dawn those previous games.Sack.The.Manager.
He really is useless.

 

[izec]

Needs to go. We are stagnating.

 

[AN17]

Is there literally anything else he could have done that would have made any of our expensive forward line find the net? This is a knee-jerk if ever I saw one.

Ok we will wait till City puts 6 past us again. And a bit longer till Liverpool does the same. Can we moan then ?

 

[Raoul]

Needs to go. We are stagnating.

Agreed. Get rid before we start losing key players.

 

[Stringer]

Didn't see you bleating in here on Wednesday night.

Didn't realize I was obligated to? However a win against Young Boys doesn't make up for the consistently poor performances we have shown during Mourinho's tenure. I'm not fickle or stupid enough to change my mind based on one game as well.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Yes the players have a responsibility to perform, just as much as the manager has a responsibility to get the squad to perform. Unlike the manager, the players are simply individual pieces of a puzzle and its the manager's responsibility to make the pieces work. If they don't then its all on him.

I agree. So why does Jose get all the blame from you then, why don't you also mention how poor Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard etc were? Instead of heaping everything on to Jose.

 

[R'hllor]

Some people cant be for real. Screw who controls who/what, they getting minutes on the pitch.

 

[crossy1686]

You apparently believe the manager is completely absolved as to how the squad perform ? Interesting.

I never said that, but it's not entirely the managers fault. Every from the board down needs to take responsibility for this, and it's interesting how the players hide behind the manager whenever a result goes against us.

 

[iluvoursolskjær]

I've been putting up with the bollocks that is 'but look they're playing for the manager'. feck that, we're incompetent as feck and that boils down to the way we're coached and tactically set up.

Lumping balls in to Fellaini will work from time to time, but there is no future in this approach. It's absurdly poor for a team like United and the fact it's become acceptable shows how far we've fallen and how many noses have Mourinho's shit at the end of em amongst our 'fan' base.

Hundreds of millions spent and we're still in never-ending transition.

 

[Greck]

Some fickle fans were changing votes cause of three-run of the mill wins.

Tbf they shifted from 'out' to 'not yet' (on the fence). The mourinho in votes only rose 3%

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Yes the players have a responsibility to perform, just as much as the manager has a responsibility to get the squad to perform. Unlike the manager, the players are simply individual pieces of a puzzle and its the manager's responsibility to make the pieces work. If they don't then its all on him.

Aye, there's a distinct lack of cohesion out there.

 

[ErranMorad]

I still want him gone but I actually didn't think we played badly today and we were set up fine both formation-wise and tactically, we dropped points because the front 3 were utter garbage, just no ideas and sloppy as feck, and Valencia is finished so the entire right side was dead as so often it is.

We weren't bad? Really?

We scored the goal against the run of play and didn't do anything after that. Most of the passing after that was slow passes between Smalling, Lindelöf and Fellaini; may be the fullbacks got involved a couple of times too to step it up. Second half we started well but had no clue after the Wolves goal. Our attacking play involved looking for Fellaini's chest or head for 30 minutes. It was a pathetic display of football from us. It was slow, ponderous, unimaginative and a whole lot of sweet nothing. The only time we troubled Patricio was Fred's freekick late in the first half. Besides that it was nothing.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

To clarify, when I say challenge for the title I mean to be in and around the top 3 - so essentially a continuation from last year.

Those expectations have quickly changed. I think we're looking at 7th-8th place.

I still think we're possible looking at 4th. But it's still not enough. The point is that you can clearly see that this is not a team that's on its way to special things in the future. That's the entire point. If you're not achieving special things now them you'd better be on the way to possibly doing so. Like Liverpool. Who look like they're building towards something great. Now the whole bloody football season for me has turned into one giant cuntfest of hoping Liverpool fail to win the league. But I can't deny they're on a decent path wherever it may lead. We're on the path going in the wrong direction.

 

[Rash Decision]

Haha where are all the "true supporters" backing Mourinho? You call yourself a supporter watching United fail under this guy? He isn't good enough. Get him out ffs. Give a new manager the December window

Busy blaming the players that Mourinho bought.

 

[Kevin]

What is your point? So what if he bought him, the player has a responsibility to perform once they put on the shirt and you shouldn't always take a big shit on the manager because a player didn't perform.

Look at Pogba today, who bought him? He was fantastic - are you going to give Jose credit for that?

So a manager is absolved of any blame for his success in the transfer window? He can keep spending millions or billions but if it doesn't work out it's all the player's fault? You could say something in favor for Mourinho if only we look a cohesive unit or look like a solid counter attacking unit, but no, after 2+ seasons we see no notion of a well coached unit with a definite idea as to how to play. Klopp, Pepp, Poch, yes they have their weaknesses but you can at least see that they have put a stamp on the football they want their team to play. With Mourinho we do not even see this counterattacking style he's supposed to be famous for, we are seeing nothing. After 2+ seasons.

So nah, I feel my opinion is validated now. He's done as a top manager. We got spoilt goods.

 

[Kapardin]

He had chances today, good ones. Even that offside chance he should of bagged and he put it way wide.

Pogba is our sole creator. As I said, Morata and Giroud don't score a lot, and Sarri's only got Hazard (we have Pogba, for a world class equivalent). So when the striker is not good, others should be coached to chip in. Likes of Martial, Sanchez and Lingard could do a job like say, Pedro and chip in with crucial goals or key passes if they are coached properly. Especially a front three of Martial-Lukaku-Lingard with Pogba, Fred and Fellaini should get 2-3 goals per game.

Simply put, if Chelsea can do it with a poor striker, and a midfield made up of players who don't generally score (and are yet scoring at the moment), why can't we do it with a poor striker, and a midfield that can score?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Yes the players have a responsibility to perform, just as much as the manager has a responsibility to get the squad to perform. Unlike the manager, the players are simply individual pieces of a puzzle and its the manager's responsibility to make the pieces work. If they don't then its all on him.

Yeah. It's a simple point that many appear to miss.

 

[Raoul]

I agree. So why does Jose get all the blame from you then, why don't you also mention how poor Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard etc were? Instead of heaping everything on to Jose.

Erm...for the reasons I just explained in my last post. Results are the manager's responsibility. Players simply take on the manager's style and ethos, which was on full display today.

 

[AndyJ1985]

A goal difference of zero after 6 games

Our players are coached by morons. After all this time we still don't resemble a well drilled team. Our attack is still a shower of shit.

My vote of "Mourinho out" hasn't changed from the end of last season, and it never will. He's not the right man for our club and never will be.

 

[crossy1686]

Ok we will wait till City puts 6 past us again. And a bit longer till Liverpool does the same. Can we moan then ?

No, you're entitled to moan but sacking the manager a few games into the season isn't productive is it? Especially when we could do a whole lot worse.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

To clarify, when I say challenge for the title I mean to be in and around the top 3 - so essentially a continuation from last year.

Those expectations have quickly changed. I think we're looking at 7th-8th place as the "Third Season Mourinho Effect" kicks into gear.

5th or 6th. Dependent on when/if Unai Emery drops Ozil and Xhaka from the lineup. Still having us in the top 3 from the start of the season was quite optimistic.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I agree. So why does Jose get all the blame from you then, why don't you also mention how poor Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard etc were? Instead of heaping everything on to Jose.

they are not absolved from blame, but ultimately it's the manager's job to make them tick and to perform, or drop them if they don't, Jose is responsible for our style and identity, of which we have none.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Wow. Meltdown.
Every team has an off day from time to time. It isn’t as though we weren’t set up to attack. Bad day at the office up front. Simple as.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

Needs to go. We are stagnating.

Before being able to stagnate, there needs to be developement/improvement.

 

[NJM78]

I wrote this season off before it started..hopefully next season has a different manager and some of the current players will be nowhere near the first team. Think it will be a fair few years before we win a league again unfortunately.

 

[The Firestarter]

No, you're entitled to moan but sacking the manager a few games into the season isn't productive is it? Especially when we could do a whole lot worse.

A whole lot worse ? Unless you are referring to a relegation fight , I don't see how much worse it has to get for a club of this stature.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

I like the guy, but I just can't see him turning us around.

He'll stick out the season, but depending on how badly we do in the league and cups - this may be his last if he doesn't get any silverware this season.

 

[izec]

Before being able to stagnate, there needs to be developement/improvement.

We improved results wise. 2nd place last year wasnt bad. I should have said we are regressing, but i didnt want to rock the boat too much. Last season was the best he could do

 

[sam147]

Time to say goodbye. He is past it. Relys on Pogbas brilliance too much. Still no attacking structure. But what got me was how he switched Pogba to DM and Fellaini to CAM after the first half. What a basic decision to make a shambles of. What went through his mind? Whatever it was it shows he is gone and isnt a United calibre manager any longer.