Not a winger as such though is he?
well yeah, maybe! Like I say, it depends whether you view things through a negative anti-Mourinho prism or not.
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Not a winger as such though is he?
well yeah, maybe! Like I say, it depends whether you view things through a negative anti-Mourinho prism or not.
Sanchez played more games and has more experience as right winger than Perisic. Doesn't matter what type but he is much better than any options we have for right wing position.
Well, there are many players who came from Serie A and flopped here, so you don't have to be anit-jose to see that, just bit of common sense that transfer might go both ways.
Also Perisic is a good player but way some of you talk about, anyone who never watched him would think we are talking about Messi or Ronaldo.
He would have been one more left winger who may or might not have improved us. Player who might have looked completely useless as right winger too as he is a left winger and that's where he plays all the games.
are you saying he's never played on the right?
Perisic is not rw. We tried that in NT few times and he was average at best
hey man, I'm happy to be put straight on that - and I'm guessing as you're Croatian you would have a better idea than most. I'll freely admit to not being some kind of expert on Perisic. He is very two-footed though isn't he? All info I can find on him suggests that he can play anywhere across the front three, and certainly when United were linked with him a lot of pundits and journalists over here fancied him for the right at United. It's a pretty common thing these days for players to play on either wing - cutting in from one side and going down the line on the other...
Yeah, but for United to go from 2nd, to dropping out of the top 4 (which was your hypothetical scenario), that would have to be one heck of a negative impact that he would have! And given that none of our wingers had stellar seasons last year themselves I think that is massively unlikely.
Did Txiki coach the players too? Your implying that regardless of the manager the club has a philosophy to play possession football the Guardiola way which is in hindsight the LVG way but more advanced. So what took Barca over 25 years to install took City 5 years to complete barring in mind your little example of players explaining how they get coached to be ready to play for the first time as the whole clubs ethos is designed to play a certain way but City are not Ajax they have promoted sweet f all into The first team so how is this point even worth while?
Like I said above primed for his arrival with which players ready for his school of play? He had the same rebuilding job as Mourinho and I’m sorry for Mourinho that he only got the 400m to Pep’s 550m must have been really difficult for him. At the end of the day it’s no excuse because if Pep took over this club he would have had a bunch of players who retained the ball better than the City side he took over and if you want to argue that bring up the stats of the head to head possession home and away when we played City in LVG’s last season.
Jeez, this is getting tiresome. City brought in Barca staff, including a Director of Football in 2012, with a view to replicate how Barca play, from the most junior team right up to the first team. They then spent the best part of a £billion to get there as quickly as possible. Why would this same Director of Football just ignore that ethos when signing players? Your reasoning makes no sense.
I'm sorry, but that bit in bold is absolute rampant bullshit and there really is little point continuing the debate if you're going to be so one-eyed.
Martial was dropped from a striker role the moment Jose came. Why do I say this? Because ultimately he was made permanent at LW whilst Perisic was wanted the same season by Jose to take Martial out of LW. Yet people say it was just a number change from 9 to 11- that's fine.
I had expected a direct width keeping winger as Jose's tactics ALWAYS uses a direct winger on the opposite side to a cutting in winger so I was not surprised us going for Perisic in that year but - I was surprised that he chose a player who supposedly plays at LM better than RM & would likely take Martial out of his role at United. During this time we were also linked to an inverted RW on the opposite side like Bale. Fine that's still a speculation.
We fast forward a year & what happens? Alexis Sanchez is available - we go after him and he instantly is bought in, utilised regardless of form or time to settle in. Alexis Sanchez is played as a winger who cuts in from the left & takes Martial's role - so far almost permanently.
Now at that point - Jose has the inverted forward on the left hand side & needs a direct winger on the right hand side - what happens to the transfers speculation?
The RW direct width winger named as Willian is raised and has overtaken any speculation of Perisic.
So many RW's are available - for example some moved to Barcelona at a reasonable price yet it was obvious what Jose wants & it is not even surprising that Woodward got in the way of Jose.
Jose has strict tactics, strict type of players in which he likes to manipulate them individuals in to a group.
Perisic is no longer needed as Sanchez replaced his role of dropping Martial; in Jose's eyes a better more hard working left winger- what he wants now is a RW who provides pure width.
Willian and who else?
I had expected a direct width keeping winger as Jose's tactics ALWAYS uses a direct winger on the opposite side to a cutting in winger so I was not surprised us going for Perisic in that year but - I was surprised that he chose a player who supposedly plays at LM better than RM & would likely take Martial out of his role at United. During this time we were also linked to an inverted RW on the opposite side like Bale. Fine that's still a speculation.
We fast forward a year & what happens? Alexis Sanchez is available - we go after him and he instantly is bought in, utilised regardless of form or time to settle in. Alexis Sanchez is played as a winger who cuts in from the left & takes Martial's role - so far almost permanently.
Now at that point - Jose has the inverted forward on the left hand side & needs a direct winger on the right hand side - what happens to the transfers speculation?
The RW direct width winger named as Willian is raised and has overtaken any speculation of Perisic.
So many RW's are available - for example some moved to Barcelona at a reasonable price yet it was obvious what Jose wants & it is not even surprising that Woodward got in the way of Jose.
Jose has strict tactics, strict type of players in which he likes to manipulate them individuals in to a group.
Perisic is no longer needed as Sanchez replaced his role of dropping Martial; in Jose's eyes a better more hard working left winger- what he wants now is a RW who provides pure width.
Willian and who else?
No. I said he barely played for Inter and his best performance is from left.
I don't think anyone will say Herrera is a CB based on his 1 game.
Well considering Perisic's performance last season, it's equally unlikely we would have closed gap. Martial and Rashford played well in first half of season and contributed nearly as many goals and assists as Perisic.
That's a ridiculous comparison to make.
Yes, as a Croatian i followed his whole career and when we were linked with him, i was bemused about some opinions about him. Yes, he is the most two footed player that i have ever seen. In fact, his stronger foot is right which is amazing when you see how good he is with his left. But he can't play on the right. He just doesn't look good there. Some coaches tried that and they gave up quickly. All those pundits and journos were talking rubbish about his playing position. Some of them even thought that Jose wanted him for full back(!!) In 352 formation.
Best proof; in NT we have two classic right footed left inside forwards( Rebic and Pjaca). Both play on the right wing because of Perisic.
That's what I thought when I read your post, just instead of Comparison, it's assumption.
Yeah, as I said it's all hypothetical and depends on what prism you want to view things through. Me, I'm coming from the perspective of wanting to see the current United manager get the backing from the club to fully complete the rebuild. Perisic would have been part of that. You are coming at it from the perspective of not wanting to give the slightest bit of credit to Mourinho - including imagining for one minute that one of his prospective signings might have performed well for him.
I think the other thing with Perisic is that he may well have led to more goals from Lukaku given the poor service he got from his fellow forward last season. I don't suppose you'll see things in the same way though...
So, you're comparing someone who's played midfield all their life, who has dropped into defence once for a specific game/formation, to a player who is known to be able to play left or right wing? Sorry that's ridiculous.
Sorry that's ridiculous.
No. I don't see as I watched him play for inter and know what kind is player he is.
First Bold part, one more ridiculous assumption.
I know this will sound stupid, especially to anti-Jose brigade but defenders mistakes are only thing why we don't have 15 points this year. And this thread would not exist.
Ed messed it up this summer. Didn't backed Jose in transfer market.
Ed messed it up this summer. Didn't backed Jose in transfer market.
...who have wanted Jose out from day 1.
No matter how many trophies he wins for us, they'll always want him gone and replaced by someone with less ability.
You only have to read this forum and see how many people want him gone and replaced with Poch.
He's played there plenty of times for Inter. it's only in the last few years that he's played almost exclusively from the left.
Smalling as well.
What do you mean by last few years? He has played 3 full seasons for Inter, except for at the start of first season he played always as left winger.
Probably Rashford played more as RW than Perisic in last few seasons.
Why would they, doesn’t answer my question. They just clearly never. I never seen anything from City on the field before Pep to assume they had a team
Prepared for his arrival. One clear example is Joe Hart. Like I said this all sounds good because he’s succeeding. There however is no evidence to suggest he needed tika taka from ages 8 and up for this to work. That’s a completely different plan.
4th in the league and aging squad. If that’s not a rebuild considering he didn’t just purchase Kanté and win the league like the other bloke I don’t know what is. Lol. Just admit defeat your persist though even when your chatting rubbish.
Don't bother leave it in the garbage with it
I mean career, not just Inter; my error.
He's probably played on the right 50+ times, so it's not as if he's unfamiliar with the position.
I don't know much about him before Inter. At Inter he was at his best as left winger. Probably Sanchez had even better career as RW and he never played as RW for us. Jose himself said he wanted Perisic as tactical option to play as wing back, so I don't see any reason to believe or assume Perisic would have been our right winger.
Also Inter's right wing options are even worse but he never played as Right winger.
There's another way to win the game, other than not to concede a goal or two.
No you don't need to as Fergie proved in 2008-09 but in recent seasons over 75 PL goals scored has been required to gain the 27 to 33 pl victories you need to win the PL. The exception being Leicester and Jose Chelsea. The reality is goals wins games and 90 points is now required to win the league, you simply can not win the premier league with a low scoring 80 points anymore as each transfer window the top 6 strengthen and now any 2 from the top 6 can now go on a 14 to 15 match wining run!
- Man United 2008-09 GS - *68
- Chelsea 2009-10 GS - 103
- Man United 2010-11 GS - 78
- Man City 2011-12 GS - 93
- Man United 2012-13 GS - 86
- Man City 2013-14 GS - 102
- Chelsea 2014-15 GS - *73 JM
- Leicester 2015-16 GS - *68
- Chelsea 2016-17 GS - 85
- Man City 2017 GS - 106
I don't see how anyone can argue with this. Forget your allegiances and saying who is the better manager and look at it logically.
Also, isn't it common knowledge that Pep took Bayern because he deemed City not ready for him?
Neither of those statements are controversial. You’d think Perisic was a world beater reading this place (almost always people who complain Mourinho hasn’t been backed), when the fact is he’s not even a standout player in a mediocre team in a mediocre league.
I’d like to see where you’re going to start? I know he has played on the right and as a striker at previous clubs but his rise to CAF darling and the reason Jose hasn’t won the quad is due to the missing piece Peresic cult has come from his play off the left.
The quote was "There's no evidence that Mourinho wanted to sign Perisic for the right wing. Has he ever played on the right anyway?
Also he's not a very good player, but he's a convenient excuse for Mourinho fans."
1) Yes he had played on the right.
2) He did not look like a "not a very good player" at the World Cup.
I don't think he is the answer to our problems but that quote is ridiculous.
So now you know a bit more do you concede that the comparison with Herrera was a bit off?
I wasn't saying he should play there, or even Jose was looking to bring him in as an option, just that the position isn't entirely foreign to him.
That ship has sailed now anyway, as I said at the beginning of the campaign we could look to change our approach, which has subsequently happened. I highly doubt we would be considering 3-5-2 any time soon.
literally nobody has said that
OK, have it your way. City were in no way prepared for Pep before his arrival, and he's had just as hard a rebuild job to do as Mourinho. Right?
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Perisic wouldn't just be bought to play at wingback - he was targeted to eventually drop Martial & Rashford on the left with the intention of buying a inverted forward like Bale on the right. That changed Sanchez became available - you see how quickly he dropped Martial out of the team regardless of form? Now instead he looks for more hard working inverted winger that plays on the right because tactically that is what he does at every club. The moment we buy Sanchez our main RW turns to supposedly willian.
Makes sense.
If Jose does not rate the likes of Martial or Rashford - then he simply can't ditch them like he is at Chelsea because this is Manchester United. He bought Ibrahimlvic first to displace martial & Rashford from forwards - then replaced him with Lukaku. Both Martial & Rashford were competing for the left the same season we wanted perisic.
He still wasn't happy & then upgraded on them with Sanchez & refuses to use him on the RW.
Jose is under media & fan scrutiny over the management of Rashford (as seen on TV) & Martial - especially when he started. The only way he could bypass them is by getting bigger more experienced players that directly compete with them to drop them. Ibra for thpse 2, then perisic for those 2 but didn't work out so used Sanchez instead & now wants a direct winger like willian on the right since he has an inverted one on the left - contrasting to what would have happened if perisic was here.
Perisic was never just going to be our LWB - he was going to be what Sanchez is for us today.
No. Jose wanted to sign him based on his inter form, everyone know where he played.
This is pointless discussion.
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