Inter have been in the dumps since he left, no wonder their nostalgia begins and ends with him. Its the same as us pining for Fergie even if he spent the final few seasons of his career playing Phil Jones and Giggs in midfield and getting knocked out in the group stages of the CL while Pogba was rotting in the reserves.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
- Thread starter Livewire1974
- Start date
- Status
Inter have been in the dumps since he left, no wonder their nostalgia begins and ends with him. Its the same as us pining for Fergie even if he spent the final few seasons of his career playing Phil Jones and Giggs in midfield and getting knocked out in the group stages of the CL while Pogba was rotting in the reserves.
Perisic is not a right winger though. He's a left winger that can play on the right.
Ah another Jose vs Pep thread.
A lot of people are going to be very, very disappointed when the three year meltdown doesn't materialise. I would be very happy if Mourinho, Pogba, Shaw, De Gea and Martial stay long term and if he can get a tune out of Sanchez.
2008 won the Champions League (unbeaten in the run to the final). 2009 lost in the final to one of the greatest teams ever (unbeaten in the run to the final). 2010 lost in the Quarters and went out on away goals . 2011 lost in the final to one of the greatest ever teams (unbeaten in the run to the final). 2012 yeah went out in the group stage...shite happens. 2013 got knocked in the last 16 to Real Madrid. Very credible away draw and were in control of the tie until (in my view dodgy ref decision)
There was nothing wrong with playing Giggs and Jones in Centre mid when needed. People were raving about the job Phil Jones did against Madrid away from home in 2013. Lets not re write history here.
Also Pogba was getting game time 2011/12. Maybe not as much as he wanted and I can understand why he left, but he certainly wasn't rotting in the reserves (7 first team appearances in all). He would have featured a lot more in 12/13 if he had stuck around.
Is there a guaranteed success? Mourinho certainly doesn't bring that anymore.
Question no2, can you do both? Off course you can do both, why would beautiful football exclude success.
Football is entertainment, if you like results go watch livescore, read the newspapers
EDIT: aaah wrong thread
It's unfair to say that those who voted 'go' are not united fans.
I voted 'go' because of the type of football we played last season and the first three games of this season.Finishing second last season masked our style of play. We were terrible for most parts of last season.
Mourinho set up his last season to nullify the threats of the oppositions without maximizing our strengths, even against lesser opposition. This is unacceptable at Manchester united(at leat against lesser opposition).
However, the football has improved since the Spurs game,we are committing men forward and attacking, we have now some sort of balance between attack and defence.
I hope he doesn't go back to 'factory setting' in times of adversity.
I voted 'go' because of the type of football we played last season and the first three games of this season.Finishing second last season masked our style of play. We were terrible for most parts of last season.
Mourinho set up his last season to nullify the threats of the oppositions without maximizing our strengths, even against lesser opposition. This is unacceptable at Manchester united(at leat against lesser opposition).
However, the football has improved since the Spurs game,we are committing men forward and attacking, we have now some sort of balance between attack and defence.
I hope he doesn't go back to 'factory setting' in times of adversity.
LMAO at someone saying 'football is entertainment, if you like results check live score'. You've basically admitted that you aren't a fan/supporter but a customer. You couldn't give a toss what we win so long as you are entertained.
These types of 'fans' are basically what turns a club mediocre, when the fans stop demanding success the club inevitably becomes less successful.
These types of 'fans' are basically what turns a club mediocre, when the fans stop demanding success the club inevitably becomes less successful.
Beautiful football over success? When did we get to the point where the two had to be separate and it was impossible to achieve 1 without the other, this only applies to us apparently? The standards, they don't half drop so low. You speak as if Mourinho guarantees success, well i'll guarantee you right now we will not win the League or the CL this season.
In two seasons in charge (lets not include this one yet) we've won three trophies, including a European trophy, lost an FA cup final and finished second in the league and you're suggesting he doesn't bring success? It's a bizarre statement.
Also, beautiful football? Tell me, who would you rather be in last years CL final? Liverpool or Real Madrid?
Serious question, is there anyone one here who was disappointed we won 3-0 on Wednesday night or specifically with the way we played? Is that considered winning ugly or was it beautiful football? I think a lot of you are going to have a serious wobble when you realise what's important.
Too many people simply dont seem to understand football. That sounds arrogant and i dont even believe its true but people are happy to sound like absolute idiots to suit their narrative. Pretending theres a world where a team is constantly playing amazing football is stupid. Pretending theres more than a few times a season that a team plays scintillating dominant stuff for an entire 90 mins is stupid.
Theres posters here who have said the inter Milan treble mourinho achieved was not impressive. Thats just pathological denial
Were playing better, have navigated away from what was being reported to be a crisis without fuss and several players are putting in really good performances while the team looks closer to clicking. Weve built a good squad equipped to deal with matic absence or fred loss of form. It could be a really good season.
If youre online moaning after a 3-0 win away in the cl the same week supposed gods guardiola and pochettino oversaw poor performances and defeats, it really says more about you as an individual and whats driving such negative thought processes, than any footballing reality.
Posters have tried to change the charge against mourinho repeatedly this season, but none of them have stuck.
Unfortunately some of these people are our very own fans.
The anti-Mourinho brigade dont know what to do with themselves atm
Winning football shuts up a lot of those style critics a lot as well
Against Young Boys only Matic(30) and De gea(27) were older than 25. But as i heard he is manager for today, not for future.
Your missing my point. You said City was being built for Pep I said they started the infustructute but they did not sign players for this possession football you talk of. Each player was signed for the current manager at the time and neither of those played Pep football. If they did it wouldn’t have taken him 12months to fix the City squad.
People with half brain clearly see one manger excicuted his plan the other manager didn’t. It’s not Pep’s fault his team after 3 years have an identity whilst us across the road still play like a bunch of individuals. But according to you if we had planned for Mourinho’s arrival back in 2012 this would not have happened lol. We would have had Sagna, Ferandinho, David Silva etc just waiting for him to take over. I used those names by the way because those were the players signed after the new set up.
You can? Please do tell.
If you exclude Guardiola who spend shitload of money on very best players, who else is winning trophies every year while playing sweet, beautiful, sexy football?
Absolutely right. It was breathtaking counter attacking football. Incredible pace upfront, interchanging attackers, and deadly set piece taking.
The only problem was the El-Classicos. In many of them, Jose would completely go defensive and rely on counters to hit back. No one can deny that Madrid often seemed reluctant to attack for most parts of those games. But an argument can be made for that. In Jose's first game against Barca in Spain, Madrid tried to go toe to toe with that insanely good Barcelona side and they got slaughtered! It was an embarrassing loss. After then, Jose changed tactic against barca and the results moved from respectable loses to draws and then to wins. That was a smart thing to do playing against that barca side. Apart from that, Jose's Madrid side was often dominant.
he plays effectively on the left or right. Who else in our squad can play as an orthodox right winger?
He plays only as LW for Inter, not sure how you came to the conclusion that he can play as right winger.
There's no evidence that Mourinho wanted to sign Perisic for the right wing. Has he ever played on the right anyway?
Also he's not a very good player, but he's a convenient excuse for Mourinho fans.
Also he's not a very good player, but he's a convenient excuse for Mourinho fans.
Where to start with this?
OK, well you're disagreeing with pretty much everything that I've seen written on the subject, and completely ignoring the fact that from 2012 onwards their possessions stats rocketed to being highest or second highest (only behind Arsenal) in the league. Coinciding exactly with the Barca guys being brought into the club and installing a new style of play throughout the entire club. You're also completely overlooking the fact that City have one of the Barca guys (Txiki Begiristain) as Director of Football since 2012 - so whilst the managers at the time clearly would have had a say in their signings, ultimately it was down to the DoF to approve them. But you're telling me that he was just signing players willy-nilly that didn't fit into the style of play that he had specifically been brought in to implement? Sorry, that reeks of desperate bullshit to avoid having to acknowledge that Mourinho has had a tougher job on his hands than Pep.
What are you gibbering on about? It's literally fact that Mourinho took over from LVG - who plays the polar opposite style of football to him. It's also pretty obvious that a lot of LVGs signings didn't make the grade (Falcao, Di Maria, Depay, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Darmian etc) - leaving Mourinho with a heck of a rebuilding job. It's also irrefutable that Guardiola has had more money to spend than Mourinho, and was able to completely rebuild his defence when it was clear that they weren't up to the job. Guardiola took over a club that was primed for his arrival, with a Director of Football - schooled in the same Barca footballing philosophy - who had been in post for 4 years before his arrival. Are you disagreeing with any of this?!
Last edited:
He is completely two-footed and able to play on either wing
or arsenal fans since 2004
Basically the same!
They are both top quality managers, so it follows that people will compare them, especially while they are managing in the same league.
Yep, I'm sure it never crossed his mind.
So it's assumption.
well, given that Mourinho has tried both Martial and Rashford on the right wing, and has to use the fall-back option of Mata - a player he sold from Chelsea - pretty often I think it's a fair one. One of Perisic's greatest strengths is his two-footedness, so it would be weird if Mourinho had no intention of even trying him on the right wouldn't it?
He can play there, just like I said. But he is a left winger and is far more comfortably there..
Great, so given that we're agreed that he is quite capable of playing on the right, what's your point again?
My point is that he will just be another left sider that we will try to shove on the right.
Well Jose himself said the 4th player he wanted was to play him as wing back than as winger.
"I have faith in [Anthony Martial]. Probably, the [fourth] player I was looking at in the transfer market was not a pure winger. As a pure attacking option, Martial is a good player. He is one of the players who will have a better season than last season. I have pure wingers. The player I was looking for would allow me to play three at the back and play with wing-backs."
Point is, you have agreed that he is capable of playing as RW but in his Inter career he played as left winger and that's where he is very good at and his best position. Signing him as RW wouldn't have solved any problems, just one more player playing out of position.
I would have thought that Perisic would make a great wing-back tbh - on the left or the right. This is what Mourinho said about Perisic during the World Cup: “Perisic is the kind of winger that is different to the others," “Normally you look at wingers and they are just fast and creative. But he is also physical, very physical. Fantastic in the air. So the way he wins that ball in the air [for Mandzukic’s goal] and puts the ball into that space is only possible if you are very, very physical and dominant over defenders. So he was amazing by going there and winning that ball in the air.”
I think it's pretty much accepted that Mourinho wanted to sign Perisic isn't it? And he would provide options on either wing. Sounds like a sensible plan.
Well, maybe. Or maybe he'd have been the missing piece of the jigsaw. All any of us are doing is speculating really aren't we?
I don't think anyone denied that Jose wanted Perisic, it's about whether it was to play as right winger.
Well you are assuming few things like how Perisic would have played as right winger, I'm stating his best was as left winger and Inter Right wing sucks but he still plays as LW.
Also not sure what jigsaw you are talking about if you think Perisic was the missing piece.
Had we signed him would we have had the option to play Perisic on the right or not?
Re: your final comment, I'm talking about balance. We finished second last season - albeit a loooong way behind City. With Perisic in the squad maybe that gap would have been less? maybe his crossing would have led to an extra 10 goals for Lukaku? Maybe he'd have had his leg broken in the first game - who knows? But looking at the current make-up of our squad - and seeing how many different solutions Mourinho tried on the right during last season - I think it;s quite reasonable to think that Perisic could have been a valuable addition to the squad. I don't think any of that is particularly far-fetched. Unless of course you choose to view everything through a twisted, negative anti-Mourinho lense?
Sanchez is also option to play right and he never played as right winger for us.
Re your one more hypothetical scenario, maybe he would have stunk up the place and we would have finished outside top 4, that's also a possibility.
- Status