The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
  • Total voters
    2,977
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ChippyTea said:
Yeah but to be fair, prior to that happening with Pogba (which I do disagree with) how many employees would feel like productivity and confidence was rock bottom if the boss was going around saying they 'were not good enough' for the job? Personally I'd be looking at new job listings!
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I didn't type what you replied to? How did that happen?
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Shaw has been no better than before all the shittalking was being made, Mourinho has just found it convenient to finally bring him in for some reason.

And Vidic and Ferdinand hardly proved Moyes wrong when he showed them clips of Jagielka did they?
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That last part is a myth quit believing everything you see online
 
BRobson said:
I think we have to keep him for a least 1 more year, so he can have 2 more transfer windows (in-which he's backed). If he gets the left sided center back that he wants, he might then trust them and lose the defensive midfielder covering them, maybe then we can have an extra forward to play off the striker. As painful as it is to watch at times, I think it'd be unfair to call it time on him. We have a great keeper and Midfielders and are just short of 1-2 players.
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You seriously want to watch this shit for another year whilst we sink lower & lower?
 
GhastlyHun said:
Another one out of the book on how not to lead people.
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Stronger boss than Woodward would be hauling him into his office after shite like that. Vindictive prick using a dead rubber to settle some scores by setting team up to fail and doing nothing to change it. Sooner he fecks off the better. Can't believe I wanted him as manager.
 
mancan92 said:
Did you watch the moyes season? we had a title winning team. He destroyed the confidence of the team. Even top players rvp, rio , vidic, evra, all were absolutely horrible and played like players with no confidence in their ability. We are talking about top top players totally losing their faith in their ability due to a poor inept and depressing manager in only a matter of months. Jose has had 3 years to destroy the current players confidence.
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I didn’t really buy into that at first but this whole sh*tshow of a year demonstrates that we have been playing below par consistently. This is not the Jose of old and we simply got the bitter and past expiry date version of a great manager. Shame.
 
Sentient Meat said:
All I can say when I watch each game... and I've labored through every single one this season... is that I'm mostly annoyed by the players than anything Jose did.

Usually his substitutions and tactics make sense... I suppose he is responsible for the general morale of the team... but when players who in some cases are paid hundreds of thousands of pounds per week to perform, waltz through the game until the 80th minute... the blame in my mind falls mostly on the players.

You can bench them, you can yell at them, you can compliment them... but ultimately these men are professionals who should be doing better.

We'll see what happens when he's gone, but I hope the 90% of you here are right and there is a renaissance... but then I'd think what assholes they were for stealing all that money during Jose's tenure with their half efforts.
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That’s true for all professional sports teams though. Easier to get rid of the coach first. I do agree we need a culling (again) though. Depressing.
 
I remember a video of Claude from AFTV being interviewed by Robbie, think this was just before Claude disappeared for a few months, where he said "I'm just tired Robbie, I want it to stop" or words to that effect. He looked completely broken by it all.

I'm feeling like that now. Its just too much. Each public comment by Mourinho is worse than the last and exposes him for the shallow egotistical wankstain he is. Yet Woodward sits there with his thumb up his arse doing absolutely feck all about it.

Its completely spirit crushing. I'm at the point where I'd gladly suffer a 5-0 thrashing on Sunday if it meant Jose was sacked on Monday. Lower than a snake's belly.......
 
crossy1686 said:
They'll be no hiding on Sunday but I suspect Jose will get most of the flack, despite most of our big players not putting a shift in as usual.
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Well yes, he’s the manager and paid about 10m a year to get players to perform.
 
BlueHaze said:
I think 90% of the fanbase can't wait. Then there is always those 10% who will blindly support no matter what because they deep down think that it makes them a better fan than others.
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That is a sweeping generalisation and assumption!

I will not always blindly support Mourinho no matter what and there are plenty of things I don't like such as public criticism of players.

I don't think that I am a better fan than others, I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and no matter what that opinion is, it is based on what they think is best for the club not what makes them a better fan than someone else!

I don't think Mourinho is perfect, I don't like the public criticism of players, I hated how the medic Eva Carneiro was treated at Chelsea. I think that are a lot of things that he says that could be kept behind closed doors. I would prefer it if he could learn dignity in defeat and he would be a more popular man. However, as I have alluded to previously (and been accused of dragging SAF through the mud and having a low IQ for doing so), SAF took several seasons to rebuild the squad and find his winning formula (and during that period there was a huge 'Fergie Out' campaign). In addition we played entertaining attacking stuff a lot of the time BUT SAF would 'park the bus' and play defensive when he thought that was the best chance of winning a game with the players he had (and that was more common in the last few seasons when the squad had less quality).

Personally, I think Mourinho has a better football brain than most people on this forum and is closer to the players than most people on this forum and so if he feels that he has not got a good enough defence that he can rely on to allow the team more freedom to attack then I can understand that. I can't see who else is going to do any better with the same set of players?

The options are therefore:
a. Sack him and start again with someone else
b. Back him in the January window (like he should have been in the summer) and see if there is a marked improvement

My opinion (which I don't believe makes me a better fan than anyone else), is that rather than another sacking, go with option b and review the situation at the end of the season. Hell, we might even win the Champions League - wouldn't put it past him!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...adapted-Jurgen-Klopp-Pep-Guardiola-today.html
 
Paul Ince is blaming LvG for Jose's inability to get a tune out of the current team, following 5 transfer windows & £400M spent. :wenger:

“It’s tough on Mourinho, because he came in off the back of David Moyes and Van Gaal,” Ince told Press Association Sport.

“Under Van Gaal they went back big time, they went back two years.

“While Man United were going back, Manchester City, Tottenham, Liverpool, they were going forwards.

“He had to try to get them up to try just to compete with those teams and it’s been a tough time for him.”
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https://www.football365.com/news/ince-jose-suffering-after-lvg-set-united-back-two-years
 
That sort of shite just doesn't wash when you see what other managers do. Why do so many ex Utd players make excuses for the club and Jose so often? Bored of it.
 
Sentient Meat said:
Oh Jose can be a petulant child... but when you pay 100 million for someone, you expect them to be professional if nothing else.
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I guess that means Mourinho has done a really poor job assessing Pogba's mentality and overall ability? That's the player he broke world record to get.

Also when you're paying 16 million per year to you manager, you expect him to be a professional and not a petulant man child throwing shiit at everyone .
 
Judas said:
That sort of shite just doesn't wash when you see what other managers do. Why do so many ex Utd players make excuses for the club and Jose so often? Bored of it.
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I think they put too much stock in reputation. Mourinho was once a great manager, so obviously he still is and always will be in their eyes. It was the same with Rooney, nobody in the press would admit how crap he’d gone, years after his decline.
 
Lets just hope the board is delaying sacking Jose to save £££ that could go into "Potch summer fund".
 
reddaz71 said:
Disagree, Pep would not improve the likes of Jones,Fellaini,Young,Valencia,Smalling,Matic,Lukaku
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Funny that these are all Jose's favourite players (apart from Valencia after his Instagram post :lol:) and the shittest players in our squad.

Pretty sure Pep would love Shaw, Martial, Rashford, Jesse, Pogba, Fred, Andreas. Y'know, the talented ones.
 
dwd said:
Weirdly, it feels like a lot more, so 7 doesn't seem so bad, which is obviously crazy to say.
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Maybe because some of the draws have felt like defeats. In all competitions so far we've won 10, drawn 6, lost 7.
 
At what point do the match going fans do something?

As an American who has never even traveled to Europe, I admit to not having a great understanding of matchday culture. But I really don't understand the blind loyalty to support this manager and the ownership/management. It's baffling to me to watch all the fans at Old Trafford support and even sing Mourinho's name's while his team continues to drop points while producing the most god-awful, uninspired football imaginable. And the longer he stays, the bigger the hole the club is going to have to dig itself out of.

Wouldn't the board/ownership be more likely to do the right thing and sack Mourinho if the media was reporting stories of fan protest at our matches? Boos, whistles, banners, green/gold scarves, planes... isn't there something (anything!) the fans can do to apply some pressure to this dire situation?
 
Even if we simply disregard that the football world has changed between 1990 and the present, the Fergie/patience argument only works if you believe that Mourinho is – and according to a plan – two and a half years into a major rebuilding operation. But there’s no evidence that he is. The prevailing theory is that he was hired to do his usual thing – not patiently assembling pieces and slowly building towards something. And based on the man’s track record, that theory seems solid. Considering him as some kind of grand builder/re-builder, on the other hand, seems to be based on very little.

The fact that fans wanted Fergie out isn’t proof that fans now wanting Mourinho gone are wrong (it’s proof they were very wrong about Fergie, but that’s a different matter) – apples and oranges in the extreme.
 
Recently against Arsenal and Fulham I have seen glimpses of the direction I want to go. So I changed my vote. Maybe Mou is not the problem.
 
Ince knows crap all - LVG was setting up not to go forward but to get the next generation of footballers in.

Even if he failed that - is it any surprise that Rashford & Martial looks like better forwards that Lukaku & Sanchez?

Not to me.

75% of us were excited to see how Rashford the striker develops. This was especially true seeing how martial did decently as a striker but struggled playing as the lone central striker. We were all excited to see a season of martial & Rashford playing upfront with arguably a player who could help them interlink.

Be it Klopp, Pep or Emery - they would have been happy with Rashford & Martial being their strikers & got them to play together.

Jose is one of the few older generation strikers that needed an older generation type of striker - went for Ibrahimpvic & Lukaku only to push away Rashford & Martial.

If we had just concentrated on martial & Rashford as strikers - we could have focused on getting a creative AM, Another CM, a CB & a fullback for one side by the first season or 2.

Instead we went for the target man who needs a winger on each side, a better AM, a better CM, a better ball playing CB and better fullbacks to provide crosses.
Just too much work done for no reason.
 
BRobson said:
I think we have to keep him for a least 1 more year, so he can have 2 more transfer windows (in-which he's backed). If he gets the left sided center back that he wants, he might then trust them and lose the defensive midfielder covering them, maybe then we can have an extra forward to play off the striker. As painful as it is to watch at times, I think it'd be unfair to call it time on him. We have a great keeper and Midfielders and are just short of 1-2 players.
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I am one of the people out here call out posters who post ridiculous agenda loaded posts about Jose.
But even I would not think Jose deserves any more time. The players are not playing well. Jose doesn't know his best XI. His tactics are all over the place and it looks obvious the players don't enjoy playing his game. And we are struggling to get into top 6. After getting the 2nd last season, we were supposed to kick off from there. Even if he didn't get his CBs, we shouldn't have fallen off the cliff like this. But we have and Jose takes the major blame for this.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
You can only laugh at this point :lol:

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He said the same and threw Martial under a bus a few months ago. Same with Rashford.

But the players are the problem or some shit.

What did people expect from a Pereira who has had no play time in weeks?
 
FootyGirl88 said:
You can only laugh at this point :lol:

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Some people said he would field a weak team with clueless tactics to show certain players up and divert the blame away from him. Most of us thought they were talking rubbish.

That comment is as predictable as our games are boring.
 
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