He lives on.
How tragic.
How tragic.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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That's like saying, the sun could have risen in the east today.
Mourinho is blameless anyway.
Nah mate, it doesn't prove that. First half was decent but Fulham are a poor excuse of a football team.
We were supposed to lose vs Arsenal? Why is that, especially home game.
Like we are going to sell one of our best players for a man we are going to sack.
I can't believe people would seriously sell our best player to a rival. Imagine what he could do under a decent manager. Do you forget how good he was at Juve and for France?
Talking about one-sided articles. Pogba has his flaws no doubt, but this is a bit pathetic.
Castle's is an absolute prick. Just a Mourinho/Mendes lackey.
He can stay only if he wins the CL....
I thought it was funny how they managed to sneak in some praise for Matic as well
The “virus” is, as described, infectious. Those playing alongside Pogba have to run more to cover for his failures to adhere to team shape and position themselves in anticipation of unnecessary and dangerous turnovers of possession. Nemanja Matic has been targetted by supporters as poor results have rolled in, yet his personal running statistics testify to the Serb's efforts to compensate for Pogba.
Twenty-two games into last season, United ranked 20th in the division for distance covered per match – a figure that is more reflective of their tactical set-up than a lack of effort or fitness. Yet by the final month of that campaign, Matic had covered more kilometres than all but four players across all 20 clubs. With the similarly selfless Ander Herrera in for Pogba on Wednesday, Matic was named the broadcaster's man of the match.
The “virus” is, as described, infectious. Those playing alongside Pogba have to run more to cover for his failures to adhere to team shape and position themselves in anticipation of unnecessary and dangerous turnovers of possession. Nemanja Matic has been targetted by supporters as poor results have rolled in, yet his personal running statistics testify to the Serb's efforts to compensate for Pogba.
Twenty-two games into last season, United ranked 20th in the division for distance covered per match – a figure that is more reflective of their tactical set-up than a lack of effort or fitness. Yet by the final month of that campaign, Matic had covered more kilometres than all but four players across all 20 clubs. With the similarly selfless Ander Herrera in for Pogba on Wednesday, Matic was named the broadcaster's man of the match.
Agree especially when he's managed within the wider context of what's happening at the football club.
Not so sure about that. They vetoed his flogging of Martial for Alderweireld/Willian. Think they’d keep Pogba if push came to pull.
Though at this point, I think the matter is out of our hands. Longer Mourinho is allowed to freely slander Pogba, the bigger Fatty Mino will go in making a scandal to get Pogba out.
The guy doesn't even try and hide it that he's a propaganda tool. Fact of the matter is any 2 of Pogba, Fellaini and Matic aren't an ideal pairing because they double the immobility problem. Pogba brings match winning contributions so he's the one we prioritise and rightly so. Making it seem like Pogba is bringing down Matic when Matic brings very little even on his good days is a bit special.
Well there are few who will lap it up, so good for Dunc and Jose.
This player power and clubs best players having 'attitude' problems thing seems to happen everywhere Jose goes doesn't it
In fairness, it was hardly happy days under Moyes and Van Gaal either.
Jose's ego again. He want's a statement made that he's still to be reckoned with, so wanting us to choose between a washed up manager and a talented player regardless of the cost to the club. It's just all about his disgusting ego.
Jose should go, and Pogba should get a chance under another manager. If he's giving attitude still, then kick him out. The club spent a lot of money on Pogba, why should we be forced to give him away for less than what he's worth just to appease this crazy manager's ego.
I remind people how he made a concerted effort to turn the fans against Martial (and it was working with some). Some people wanted Martial exchanged for fecking Willian. Ed for once did the right thing and refused that nonsense request.
What Jose is doing now is no different.
I hope Ed tells him to stop interfering and his flecking job. The guy thinks he's even bigger than Sir Alex, throwing his weight around.
I cannot wait for him and asshole Castles to feck off.
Jose should go, and Pogba should get a chance under another manager. If he's giving attitude still, then kick him out. The club spent a lot of money on Pogba, why should we be forced to give him away for less than what he's worth just to appease this crazy manager's ego.
I remind people how he made a concerted effort to turn the fans against Martial (and it was working with some). Some people wanted Martial exchanged for fecking Willian. Ed for once did the right thing and refused that nonsense request.
What Jose is doing now is no different.
I hope Ed tells him to stop interfering and his flecking job. The guy thinks he's even bigger than Sir Alex, throwing his weight around.
I cannot wait for him and asshole Castles to feck off.
on the plus side.. we are still 74% Jose out despite the win.
You see, this is the typical case of a naive arrogant United fan. Not that you'll be happy to sell your best midfielder, but you'are ready to strengthen a rival by selling to them as if it was that easy to replace a player of Pogba's caliber. We spent almost 8 years struggling to get a genuine midfielder as soon as we get one, some people are happy to see the back of him just because an incompetent manager is trying to deflect the attention from the awful job he's doing by scapegoating a player who has no precedent of mentality problems; if a win against a crap Fulham is enough proof that we don't need Pogba, then you need help.
Fans like you were ready to sell Martial and Shaw, thanks to Woodward standing against Mourinho's will. Then you'll be the first to question Woodward's football knowledge; at least him knows the value of a talented players.
This would have made sense if the manager was doing everything for the badge and the fans. A good leader leads by example. Is Mourinho a good model for you?
No I'm talking about Jose starting petty fights with the star players in the clubs he's been. They always seem to be crap under him, he then benches or tries to get them sold,claim they're attitudes are crap, next thing you know he's lost the dressing room etc. I don't recall Moyes or LVG singling out any individual players for special criticism,Jose does it all the time. Hazard at Chelsea,Pogba and Martial here,Madrids best players,its always him
Exactly. The narrative is that we're accommodating Pogba rather than Matic or Fellaini. They all have the same problem in that they're not all that mobile. However, because Pogba is the attacking player, it's always that it's Pogba's fault. We should be getting the best out of our better players and that means catering to Pogba, not Matic or Fellaini. Those 2 midfielders aren't great at anything worth prioritizing.
Exactly. One of our most commercially lucrative too
Just as he choose Mourinho over Martial there are enough reasons to criticise Woodward no need to invent things.
I can handle us being shite and being 8th. No team can dominate forever.
This is just becoming a joke though. We have to sit through him falling out with our best players, dour football, consistent digs at the club, protest team selections, constant boasting about what he did 10 years ago, ridiculous attempts to deflect blame.
The problem is him.
This is just becoming a joke though. We have to sit through him falling out with our best players, dour football, consistent digs at the club, protest team selections, constant boasting about what he did 10 years ago, ridiculous attempts to deflect blame.
The problem is him.
Yeah I've seen this propaganda before. 'It's the creative flair player bringing the team down.' This one is even baffling because the player he's being compared to may even be just as lazy as him except with the extra drawback of adding nothing to our attack.
the point on de Bruyne being better is beyond irony. The same KdB who got kicked out by Jose at Chelsea for also being "lazy" and "not working hard"Doesn't Matic regularly cover the most ground in our team or close to that? Don't think it's fair to describe him as lazy, it's probably more that his legs are some way gone.
Don't think I'd describe Pogba as lazy either.
Yeah lazy wasn't the word I would have used either. They aren't lazy but they have had brainfarts in defense this seasons.
Castles is a hack.
The difference between the management of Matic, Fellani, Pogba, Fred, Lukaku and martial is clear.
Matic is given a clear defensive instruction to carry out. No attacking role is given.
Fellani is usually given a defensive instruction when he starts a game - until we need a goal where he is eirher positioned as a pure attacker near upfront as a striker. No defensive role is given during that period.
What happened to martial last season? Martial is given the role & positioning to attack but is also given the role to play a very defensive game whenever that has to be done - neither a pure clear attacking nor defensive role for martial; ending up with him being targeted for Jose due to him failing his defensive work.
Pogba in comparison to Matic & Fellani is a player who like martial is given the role of playing an attacking role out of all our midfielders - yet also has to concentrate just as much or even more on the defensive side of his game - 2 roles done at 50% rather than one role done at 100%
What's happening to Fred? The guy isn't chosen clearly because whilst he may add attacking ability to our team - he gives absolutely nothing defensively.
What happens to Lukaku? Given a clear attacking role with minimal defensive intent - and is therefore not targeted by Jose. He is concentrating on the target man role; and even if he isn't scoring goal - he is covering that one role thst Jose wants Lukaku to carry out.
Everyone is managed individually under Jose with individual goals & targets to meet.
Be it Ronaldo, Drogba, Terry, Lampard, Carvalh0, Essien, etc etc - they were always repeating one same move, one same position & one same role. Was Drogba moving around defensively? Was Lampard as defensive as Gerrard or was he made to purely play as an AM that feeds off the target man? Was Terry iniating attacks or was he purely focusing on the defensive aspect of the game playing as the last man left on the defensive line every game?
Pogba, Martial, De bryune, Hazard - were ultimately targeted by Jose because they have more than one role to fill for the team rather than just one. Look at De bryune at City under pep - a player now that has been given a clear role that he can rinse & repeat. That didn't happen under Jose because ultimately pogba, Martial, de bryune, hazards individual ability to do one thing right is not appreciated by jose & is not in balance with Jose's ready made tactics & what he ultimately wants his team to play like. Instead of playing de bryune at AM for him to constantly supply passes for the team; he was played out as a RM - a position that needed both attacking & defensive ability for the manager. He failed that and was shipped off.
Therefore individuals with one role under him do well - individuals with many are made to fail.
Matic is given a clear defensive instruction to carry out. No attacking role is given.
Fellani is usually given a defensive instruction when he starts a game - until we need a goal where he is eirher positioned as a pure attacker near upfront as a striker. No defensive role is given during that period.
What happened to martial last season? Martial is given the role & positioning to attack but is also given the role to play a very defensive game whenever that has to be done - neither a pure clear attacking nor defensive role for martial; ending up with him being targeted for Jose due to him failing his defensive work.
Pogba in comparison to Matic & Fellani is a player who like martial is given the role of playing an attacking role out of all our midfielders - yet also has to concentrate just as much or even more on the defensive side of his game - 2 roles done at 50% rather than one role done at 100%
What's happening to Fred? The guy isn't chosen clearly because whilst he may add attacking ability to our team - he gives absolutely nothing defensively.
What happens to Lukaku? Given a clear attacking role with minimal defensive intent - and is therefore not targeted by Jose. He is concentrating on the target man role; and even if he isn't scoring goal - he is covering that one role thst Jose wants Lukaku to carry out.
Everyone is managed individually under Jose with individual goals & targets to meet.
Be it Ronaldo, Drogba, Terry, Lampard, Carvalh0, Essien, etc etc - they were always repeating one same move, one same position & one same role. Was Drogba moving around defensively? Was Lampard as defensive as Gerrard or was he made to purely play as an AM that feeds off the target man? Was Terry iniating attacks or was he purely focusing on the defensive aspect of the game playing as the last man left on the defensive line every game?
Pogba, Martial, De bryune, Hazard - were ultimately targeted by Jose because they have more than one role to fill for the team rather than just one. Look at De bryune at City under pep - a player now that has been given a clear role that he can rinse & repeat. That didn't happen under Jose because ultimately pogba, Martial, de bryune, hazards individual ability to do one thing right is not appreciated by jose & is not in balance with Jose's ready made tactics & what he ultimately wants his team to play like. Instead of playing de bryune at AM for him to constantly supply passes for the team; he was played out as a RM - a position that needed both attacking & defensive ability for the manager. He failed that and was shipped off.
Therefore individuals with one role under him do well - individuals with many are made to fail.
Even though the fact they vetoed Mourinho's decision to sell Martial gives me hope, I wouldn't really put it beyond them to keep Mourinho and sell Pogba.
I'm convinced we are not that stupid. Pogba is an asset they have invested €200m.
Simple numbers mean Mourinho is in a fight he can't win.
Mourinho is almost certainly a gonner at the end of the season since top four ain’t happening. The question is whether Pogba’s relationship with the club in general has deteriorated.
We need to keep Pogba for the new manager. Getting rid of him because of Mourinho would be a big mistake.
I'm hoping we're not.
Mourinho only wants yes men; Pogba's performances aren't the issue.
Absolutely. We're not going to sell Pogba unless he is dying to move. I don't think Mourinho holds anywhere near that sort of power at this football club.
I think not all depends who comes in for Pogba. Like with Hazard, Ramos, Ronaldo, players don't really gauge the club through their manager. Pogba's relationship with Ed might be good but he will understand the club isn't going to publicly undermine Mourinho.
Look at Martial's case. There were reports in France that he was please they club refused to even countenance a sale.
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