Me and said poster were in a convo about what happens if we lose to Liverpool next week.am I seeing things or are we 8 (not 11 or 13) points off 4th no matter if Spurs win or not?
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Only way I'd let him stay is if he changes the way he makes us play football. Either win trophies with any style you want but if you're not gonna win trophies at least give me good attacking football.
I want us to go into games against the best teams thinking we do have a chance.
I want us to go into games against the best teams thinking we do have a chance.
Surprised no change in voting percentages after the game. Usually get a few posters changing their minds.
He's never changing the way we play football. That would mean he has to totally reinvent his philosophy that's been built up over the last 15 years .I mean have you read his seven point plan for winning games? Here they are:
- The game is won by the team who commits fewer errors.
- Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition.
- Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it’s better to encourage their mistakes.
- Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake.
- Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake.
- Whoever has the ball has fear.
- Whoever does not have it is thereby stronger.
I've given up on him but just saying if he can prove us all wrong, I'd be the first to start supporting him again. However a string of wins won't "prove us wrong" we need to see proper attacking football.
.... or if we win the champions league!
it is also the training and the tactics too. Look at what we do. We do get into the opposing box and we did today but then lose the momentum and the players do not know what to do.
The only time Rashford cut it back early we scored. When Young got the ball apart from the time he scored he was dithering on it instead of crossing it early. Rashford is also guilty of it many times and so was Martial when he played.
Other teams are coached a lot better.
The only time Rashford cut it back early we scored. When Young got the ball apart from the time he scored he was dithering on it instead of crossing it early. Rashford is also guilty of it many times and so was Martial when he played.
Other teams are coached a lot better.
For him to change our style would be him admitting he's wrong, he ain't going to do that.
Yeah a game against pathetic rock bottom placed Fulham side proved Jose needs more time and money! Never change, Caf
He could do it inside his head possibly without saying it to us. I guess if we start playing differently we should know if he has changed his ideas. Need much more data to see if there is a change though.
It's not just Liverpool. Look at the disappointment from us winning at home to Fulham. Some folks have convinced themselves that actually cheering against United (and Mourinho) is actually a sign of how good and smart a fan they are. It's a weird world!
It's not just Liverpool. Look at the disappointment from us winning at home to Fulham. Some folks have convinced themselves that actually cheering against United (and Mourinho) is actually a sign of how good and smart a fan they are. It's a weird world!
Nobody is cheering against Manchester United or Mourinho, that's something Mourinho fanboys have convinced themselves of, along with convincing themselves its Mourinho FC and not Manchester United FC. However, i can guarantee that most of the posters "disappointed" are exactly that because they are concerned about the long term future of this club, at the end of the day, nobody is begging for a loss, especially against Liverpool, a short term loss in a dead season anyway vs Fulham or Liverpool won't, however, have any real impact at this stage other than to just sum up what we already know about this season, that it's trash, and hopefully Mourinho gets the sack, as he should of done already. Winning will just serve to prolong this agony of going absolutely nowhere under this manager who is completely wrong for United in all the wrong ways, wasting everyone's damn time.
I will never take a United loss to get rid of him but I'll never accept a manager that has us 5th in the League, 8 points off of 4th with a shite goal difference. I especially won't take it when the football is dull 99% of the time and the manager disrespects the club and players in public so much of the time. I want us to beat Liverpool 10-0 but I also want Jose to be sacked ASAP. If I could accept mediocrity then I'd still want Moyes as manager and not the Special One.
Edit: just to be clear I have wanted him gone since before Sevilla last year. I'm a 'knee-jerker' because I started a thread at half time in a game where we were 2-0 down but then went on to win 3-2 (Crystal Palace?). My opinion hadn't changed after full time in that game and has only become more certain since then.
In response to the 'where are the Jose haters today?' I'll ask where are the posters who agree with Jose that our players aren't good enough to beat 15 of the teams in this league.
Edit: just to be clear I have wanted him gone since before Sevilla last year. I'm a 'knee-jerker' because I started a thread at half time in a game where we were 2-0 down but then went on to win 3-2 (Crystal Palace?). My opinion hadn't changed after full time in that game and has only become more certain since then.
In response to the 'where are the Jose haters today?' I'll ask where are the posters who agree with Jose that our players aren't good enough to beat 15 of the teams in this league.
I stopped reading when the name calling started!
I think we can all agree as fans of United that we want the club to succeed. Disagreeing about how to achieve that success shouldn't bring such animosity and division.
Imagine your team wins 4-1 and you reaction is to be dissapointed? Yeah, you surely seem to be rooting for United.
I wonder how he will line up next week. We have barely had a shot on target at Anfield on our last two visits.
Although I will gladly take a handball, offside last minute winner against them after parking the bus.
Although I will gladly take a handball, offside last minute winner against them after parking the bus.
Name calling? animosity and division? Really? was my post really that offensive because i said Mourinho fanboys? Wow okay, my post wasn't meant to offend anyone, but it's the truth, there is a cult of Mourinho, for what reason I cannot say, however, me personally I am not disappointed, my point was to say why some was disappointed, I was happy that we won, happy at least to the point I can be because Mourinho has gutted a lot of my feeling for watching United at the moment with his antics and toxicity.
Seeing Jose as our manager is hard to take. I wish he was fired after the Sevilla game.
Winning Liverpool winning the league is a 100 times worse.
Winning the CL, as amazing as it would be, wouldn't turn my opinion of him much. Di Matteo won it for Chelsea and Avram got them to a final. I absolutely detest our style of play and we are not competitive on a day to day basis, add to that his attitude and the cloud of negativity he seems so desperate to constantly cast then I just do not see how he turns it around.
Getting rid of his negativity alone would provide a huge lift to this club, the way our fans carry on at time right now saddens me and a lot of that is down to Jose picking fights and trying to create narratives that paint everyone else as villains.
I'd still fire him even if we won the Champions league.
This is just not working. His toxic traits that he exhibited at both Madrid and Chelsea seem like permanent character flaws.
Him winning the UCL would be thethe best way for him to bow out too. Helps rebuild his stock and he can get a good job elsewhere.
Fellaini will be there, we’re definitely going to play a low block defence, and hoof it.
That’s the way Jose always plays against high pressing teams, particularly Liverpool.
Just watched the game (Normally I stream at work but I actually preferred to get on with work than watch us )
Some positives from today's games. It's frustrating that we didn't score 6 or 7 as some of our chances today needed to go in. We're just not clinical in front of goal and these misses in other matches prove important.
Other than that though, we played bottom of the league, a team shipping goals and without a clean sheet. It's not really a performance we can judge on.
I'll say it again, forget the back 4, we've got some talented players in midfield and attack, we just have a manager who can't use them. He's got no clue going forward. No movement, nothing.
We've got on the backs of Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez particularity, (Rightly so) but Mourinho's play just nullifies anything they can do.
The other thing with Mourinho is, he wants to throw people under the bus, he wants to be perceived has hard done by, he wants to let the world know that we over achieve. He plays us down all season, so if we get top 4, he can act like some god, and if we don't, tell us he told us so.
The man needs to be gone, but I've already accepted that he'll be here until top 4 isn't possible. Anything earlier is a bonus
)Some positives from today's games. It's frustrating that we didn't score 6 or 7 as some of our chances today needed to go in. We're just not clinical in front of goal and these misses in other matches prove important.
Other than that though, we played bottom of the league, a team shipping goals and without a clean sheet. It's not really a performance we can judge on.
I'll say it again, forget the back 4, we've got some talented players in midfield and attack, we just have a manager who can't use them. He's got no clue going forward. No movement, nothing.
We've got on the backs of Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez particularity, (Rightly so) but Mourinho's play just nullifies anything they can do.
The other thing with Mourinho is, he wants to throw people under the bus, he wants to be perceived has hard done by, he wants to let the world know that we over achieve. He plays us down all season, so if we get top 4, he can act like some god, and if we don't, tell us he told us so.
The man needs to be gone, but I've already accepted that he'll be here until top 4 isn't possible. Anything earlier is a bonus
I am starting to like what I saw today and Wednesday. Better urgency and grit. Very aggressive and remember its very much a second string side.
With little more quality, we will thrash teams for sure (which will definitely come with Sanchez,Martial,Pogba and Fred returning. )
Play like this Jose and I would probably change my stand about your replacement.
With little more quality, we will thrash teams for sure (which will definitely come with Sanchez,Martial,Pogba and Fred returning. )
Play like this Jose and I would probably change my stand about your replacement.
I very much doubt it is a turnaround mate. This has happened so much under Jose. Consider the opposition. Arsenal was a very open game and actually worked out very similar to our games against them last year. We played the same way.
Fulham are awful but we did well to press them with intenity but it is hard to see him going to the Liverpool game and using those tactics. It will more than likely be back to the usual static performances with all the tall players starting.
And therein lies the problem we are neither conistently good to watch or get a lot of points. Jose is very lucky to still be here at all.
Moyes had lots of turnarounds.
15 December 2013 Aston Villa Away - 3-0 WIN
21 December 2013 West Ham United Home - 3-1 WIN
26 December 2013 Hull City Away - 3-2 WIN
28 December 2013 Norwich City Away - 1-0 WIN
1 January 2014 Tottenham Hotspur Home - 1–2 LOSS
11 January 2014 Swansea City Home - 2–0 WIN
19 January 2014 Chelsea Away - 1-3 LOSS
28 January 2014 Cardiff City Home - 2–0 WIN
1 February 2014 Stoke City Away 1–2 LOSS
9 February 2014 Fulham Home 2–2 DRAW
12 February 2014 Arsenal Away 0–0 DRAW
22 February 2014 Crystal Palace Away 2–0 WIN
8 March 2014 West Bromwich Albion Away - 0-3 WIN
15 December 2013 Aston Villa Away - 3-0 WIN
21 December 2013 West Ham United Home - 3-1 WIN
26 December 2013 Hull City Away - 3-2 WIN
28 December 2013 Norwich City Away - 1-0 WIN
1 January 2014 Tottenham Hotspur Home - 1–2 LOSS
11 January 2014 Swansea City Home - 2–0 WIN
19 January 2014 Chelsea Away - 1-3 LOSS
28 January 2014 Cardiff City Home - 2–0 WIN
1 February 2014 Stoke City Away 1–2 LOSS
9 February 2014 Fulham Home 2–2 DRAW
12 February 2014 Arsenal Away 0–0 DRAW
22 February 2014 Crystal Palace Away 2–0 WIN
8 March 2014 West Bromwich Albion Away - 0-3 WIN
If he won't coward against Liverpool and win it 5 0 he can stay surely.
We gave scored same amount of goals as spurs ... seem strange to anyone ?
Who do we get once Jose is gone? I mean, for reals. And what of Eddie?
A highly qualified team of psychiatrists to repair our broken players would be a good start.
Yeah, for reals.
You saw broken players today?
I get your point. One win is like a spark of happiness in an overall bigger picture that is quite dark and Mourinho is a big part of the massive problems we still have. Still momentum can be very important in sport and sometimes you need to get that win after a bad spell to go on a better run in the future.
Yes, but fortunately, they were good enough to conquer the worst football team in the premier league.
We didn't play any better. Most of the time we moved the ball slowly. Fulham just backed off and gave us the space. In these kind of situations Mata can create and that is what happened. To be honest I think Mata was offside for the second goal and any other day it could have been flagged for offside. Their penalty was also not a penalty and I feel that we were lucky to score 3 goals in the first half.
But it is the bottom team and they could also have scored a couple of goals in the first half too.
Liverpool would be the test and no way Jose is going to change his spots. His time at Barcelona and their refusal to give him the Manager's job has made his crazy I would say. He has become the anti Barcelona football and there is no way he is going to change.
So if we have him, we are stuck with his type of football. I would rather he go as soon as possible and get someone who can get us to play football.
But it is the bottom team and they could also have scored a couple of goals in the first half too.
Liverpool would be the test and no way Jose is going to change his spots. His time at Barcelona and their refusal to give him the Manager's job has made his crazy I would say. He has become the anti Barcelona football and there is no way he is going to change.
So if we have him, we are stuck with his type of football. I would rather he go as soon as possible and get someone who can get us to play football.
Yes, it does. Seeing as what you’re saying is totally false. We are 6th in the table (for now) and 6th in goals scored so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
If they were broken, they wouldn’t have showed any fight at all. There was effort and passion there regardless of the opposition.
You think mata was off side from out side of the 18 yard box?
It's crazy, and it's not even true. Yes we'd sometimes play counter-attack under SAF in the big games, and we weren't always a possession team, but the United I remember were supremely confident on the ball - think of Ronaldo's showboating, Giggs taking on 3 or 4 defenders and sailing past them, our full-backs running the ball out of defence, Keane and Scholes always wanting to get on the ball to make things happen.
Not only is it pathetic to suggest the player with the ball has 'fear' - it's just rubbish and it's a terrible mentality.
Lets not get too excited.
That was like watching those games you see in La Liga where RM or Barca beat up on a team paying 1/20th their wages.
That was like watching those games you see in La Liga where RM or Barca beat up on a team paying 1/20th their wages.
Here Me thinking Barca been playing the same stuff since beginning of time.......and Jose whole successful ethos with winning trophies came about to get back at Barca.......imagine if he adopted this Barca philosophy...............who would have thought all long He was just trolling us at United with the shit on stick football and mad bizarre tactics and formations.......it was all to stick it to Barca.
Insane actually
Anyone know what happens if we mathematically can't get top 4 and thus are able to activate the nonpayment firing clause but are still in the champions league at that time, thus also with a theoretical chance of qualifying for the CL via winning it...?
If we get to the Champions League final or semi-final first then yes, I can see your scenario happening. Otherwise, no.
Sorry the third goal scored by Lukaku.
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