The top 4 will be done next week. Almost certainly .We've got to win Anfield just to stay 8 points behind the other teams. They're unbeaten this season and unbeaten at Anfield for nearly two years. Even if we draw wel'll be 10 points off which is pretty much done.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Don’t even need the second ‘win’, once he fecks off that’s the win right there.
I'd say keep the disease away from our future players. Almost every signing we make under Mourinho has their confidence sapped out of them within a few weeks, so within 3 months of being here they're facing an uphill battle to change perceptions created by his awful man and tactical management.
I'm just happy you're not a board member. Out of curiosity, who's deemed good for United according to you?
Chelsea sold us Mata, guess who was the man behind this deal?
Sanchez was running down his contract and Arsenal were at risk of losing him for free, they had no choice than to welcome our offer. We should learn from other's clubs mistakes, not replicate them.
Am I? Kante works extremely hard in CM which is exactly the opposite to what the Serbian lamp post does. Both managers has Pogba at their disposal but while Deschamps sees Pogba as important chess piece to his system, Mou can't stop criticising the guy. Deschamps loves Mbappe, Mou struggles accepting Martial for what he is whose the closest thing we've got to him and you'll certainly won't see Deschamps removing Griezmann in favour of some tall donkey and go route 1 in a bid to get a point.
Just makes me laugh when you look at Lukaku who was 75m and struggles to even control a football and then look at Salah for half the money playing like Messi its mad and it's definitely the managers fault
There is plenty to have a go at Mourinho for getting wrong but if you asked on here last summer who should we buy Salah or Lukaku, the latter would have won by a landslide.
Not buying a right winger perhaps instead of Lindelof is an issue I'd blame Mourinho for.
Liverpool have far better scouting and recruitment planning than us, there was even stories Klopp wasn't that keen on Salah.
Surely, that's down to Woodward? Mourinho comes up with the targets, Ed does the negotiating.
We've had loads of targets in that area, most notably Griezmann.
So Woodward just fired the saf era scouts?
I was damn surprised to see mourinho not bringing in kante and mane here. He lost his plot there and then.
Kante already confirmed we did try to sign him. Nothing to be said about losing this deal. Chelsea just moved earlier than everyone else and got him.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...d-attempted-to-sign-him-prior-to-chelsea-move
You don't need some incredible scouting network for the likes of VVD, Robertson, Mane, Firmino and Salah. And it doesn't matter who fans would go for. There's a reason we aren't managers. Klopp was able to spot talent and how it fits into his system far better than Mourinho. That they went for less obvious choices and made them superior is a credit to them and a slap in a face for us/Jose.
Didn’t Moyes get rid of everyone so he could bring in his Everton staff? Our scouting has been pretty shit ever since, along with the most of coaching.
Jose would not have Griezmann and martial in the same squad playing RW and LW. Has never fit his tactics. His RW for the first season was bale with Perisic replacing martial as his traditional width based hardworking winger on the left hand side.
Once Sanchez became available - he instantly dropped martial only for that summer for interest in perisic to be dropped and for the interest in willian to grow - another width based winger who provides crosses more so than a pure forwards ability but plays on the right instead..
Woodward has not allowed Martial to leave and that has hampered Jose getting the strict winger that he wants.
Not a problem for many managers - but a problem for Jose who has his one and only tactics that he does not change.
This is what's important. Whilst he had to go out of his way to get salah - Firminho was always there and clearly changed and adapted his tactics to play a false 9 in firmino - which was the key to getting the best out of players like Mane and Salah.
I always ask Jose fans that question - in that position would he have used a false 9 to get the best out of players like that or would he have stuck by his traditional target man? maybe even keeping Andy Carroll at liverpool
In all serious though - the moment he moved Martial and RAshford to the wings whilst bringing Ibrahimovic in - you could see that his ideology was to buy a new/old team of 11 rather than try to build a team and a formation with the players he has got.
Pogba knows exactly how his comments would be interpreted (and he was right) the back pages were filled with stories about how he was demanding we play better football and their was a rift etc. When he says we should be playing better football it's a clear dig at the coach, it's not subtle or innocuous.
I dislike all of the players you've mentioned above and am in the camp of fans who would like to see Mourinho gone but the club has to have standards that exist no matter who is in charge.
Signals deep shit we are in when most important midfield cogs move elsewhere, Imagine meklele snubbing Mourinho's chelsea back in 2004. He built his career by managing workhorses and this team has none who is supposed to be a regular , which is truly baffling.
Also Woodward is hugely responsible for not keeping up with our history of not getting profile of players we have built our identity on for 2 and half decades. Never before I have seen such a bad midfield unit in our history than since Woodward took over.
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How is it Mourinho’s fault that the 94-kg rotund footballer turned out to be so bad?
Chelsea had sold him to Everton convinced that he is not good to start for a top team. Two seasons and 50 Everton goals later, both clubs were desperately after him. Majority of people here thought he was a top buy.
You can blame Mourinho for a lot of things, but how you blame him for a player’s immobility, horrific first touch, poor sense of positioning and overall poor physique?
Lukaku was substandard from day 1 at United.
He would have been been very average even at Chelsea if they got him instead of Morata. Mourinho needs to be sacked, but the rot runs much deeper.
Top 4 has been gone for a long while. The only people who believe we still have a chance are the ones who believe santa claus and gnomes exist, in other words people in denial.
No idea, but since we've been largely dog shit and brought in mostly dogshit ever since, it wouldnt surprise me.
New scouting system currently being built according to this:
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/manchester-united-quietly-building-army-new-scouts-98815
The same lukaku could look miles better even now, if we just kept the ball more, pressed in important areas as a unit and have some important midfield cogs behind him to playmake, with some attacking coaching. This team can't even make use of the spaces when presented to them.
Based on what Liverpool fans have told me that is true. Klopp wanted Julian Brandt from Leverkusen but was recommended Salah by the transfer comite.
Let's hope Greece are looking for a new manager.
As far as I remember, when pool hired him(klopp), they agreed that he has the final say on every transfer they decide to make.
If Salah was recommened to him by his scouts then fair play to klopp for adjusting his tactics so that he can fully unleash salah's potential (and his' team in general).
On the other hand us, no matter who we bring in, it seems as if we don't have a clue how to properly use them and some even end up not playing at all. It's such a shame as I think there lies so much potential in this team just waiting to be nurtured the right way...
Well, judging by his comments for inter when we played Juventus, after united that's the way he'll go. Not sure any top club in Europe will like to hire him after this stint, where he had everything to succeed and still failed.
I mean he was Mourinho's target, right? If Mourinho didn't want him, he wouldn't be bought.
Don't think he was all that happy with Pogba winning the WC either imo.
that's hardly his concern either. Everyone from our former players right to supporters demand United to play attacking, pass to feet, football. If Mourinho can't understand that then he's the problem not Pogba.
Mou can be quite petty for a person whom, he say, to be quite thick skinned. The situation is quite simple to me. Deschamps, Conte and Allegri took the best out of Pogba then why can't the special one do the same? Same thing about many many players who were better under other managers.
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Looks like he's going nowhere in a hurry. Jose and Woodward have come to an agreement on January signings.
Any links to support the bolded part?
Exactly this. Liverpool now play with Shaquiri in midfield when he has always been a winger or wide attacker his entire career, Milner plays in a lot of positions and they aren't losing fluidity because the system is well set. Whereas we lose one CB, then the entire plot is lost. Liverpool have also been getting by with Gomez and TAA for a long time now whereas Mourinho needs a 100m defender to just hoof it to Lukaku.
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He was United's target. He was Chelsea's top target. He was apparently the best striker who was "available" in that window.
I know Mourinho has to shoulder a lot of blame because he sanctioned the deal. But it was impossible to predict back then that he would turn out to be so bad.
Strikers are a hit or a miss thing. Just look at Torres, Sanchez, Morata, Shevchenko, Lukaku. Every one in that list was supposedly a "top buy".
Again, to reiterate, Mourinho deserves the sack, but he can't be held responsible for everything that goes wrong in the club. The rot runs deeper.
IMO SAF is the greatest manager of all time period.
He joined us in 1986 having led Aberdeen domestic success over Rangers and Celtic and European success.
The first three seasons were not great from a league perspective, there were many expensive signings that didn't work out. In the third season we got thumped 5-1 by City and there was a huge 'Fergie out' campaign and many believe that Mark Robin's headed winner against Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup third round on January 7 saved SAF's job. We finished finished 13th in the league the lowest position since being relegated 15 years earlier but triumphed over Crystal Palace, after a replay, to win the FA cup.
We were unlucky the following year to not win the league and then won it in season five.
SAF was given time, money to invest and allowed to make the odd mistake or two in the transfer market in order to rebuild the squad and even with the backing it wasn't until his fourth season that we looked like a title challenging side.
The rest is history and we played some fantastic attacking football along the way. However, the way we played was dependent on the opposition and against decent teams we 'parked the bus' and won. In the last few seasons we didn't have as good a team and often played boring football but still won which just proves what a genius SAF was.
Most people acknowledge that there is a huge rebuild required yet many are unwilling to give Mourinho the time, money and space to invest, make mistakes, try things out and get his winning formula. Personally I can't see the point of saying we need a major rebuild and then sacking every manager and starting again when things don't always go right or we are not playing the perfect attacking football. There are only four or five managers in the world that are good enough to manage us and we have one of them. The football may not be the swashbuckling football everyone wants but until we have the squad to be able to play this way it would be reckless. SAF recognised this and always set the team up with the best chance they had to win based on the players available and the opposition players which was why his last few seasons were not as attacking in style.
I am not saying everything is perfect at the club but we haven't got a right to instant success and if rebuild is what is required we rebuild properly and not sack everyone every other season. We are better than that.
He joined us in 1986 having led Aberdeen domestic success over Rangers and Celtic and European success.
The first three seasons were not great from a league perspective, there were many expensive signings that didn't work out. In the third season we got thumped 5-1 by City and there was a huge 'Fergie out' campaign and many believe that Mark Robin's headed winner against Nottingham Forest in the FA Cup third round on January 7 saved SAF's job. We finished finished 13th in the league the lowest position since being relegated 15 years earlier but triumphed over Crystal Palace, after a replay, to win the FA cup.
We were unlucky the following year to not win the league and then won it in season five.
SAF was given time, money to invest and allowed to make the odd mistake or two in the transfer market in order to rebuild the squad and even with the backing it wasn't until his fourth season that we looked like a title challenging side.
The rest is history and we played some fantastic attacking football along the way. However, the way we played was dependent on the opposition and against decent teams we 'parked the bus' and won. In the last few seasons we didn't have as good a team and often played boring football but still won which just proves what a genius SAF was.
Most people acknowledge that there is a huge rebuild required yet many are unwilling to give Mourinho the time, money and space to invest, make mistakes, try things out and get his winning formula. Personally I can't see the point of saying we need a major rebuild and then sacking every manager and starting again when things don't always go right or we are not playing the perfect attacking football. There are only four or five managers in the world that are good enough to manage us and we have one of them. The football may not be the swashbuckling football everyone wants but until we have the squad to be able to play this way it would be reckless. SAF recognised this and always set the team up with the best chance they had to win based on the players available and the opposition players which was why his last few seasons were not as attacking in style.
I am not saying everything is perfect at the club but we haven't got a right to instant success and if rebuild is what is required we rebuild properly and not sack everyone every other season. We are better than that.
Must be true then.
This is like Mourinho bingo!
Fergie needed time, too, what if we had sacked him?! - check
We didn't always play well under Fergie - check
Mourinho needs more time and money - check
Cannot expect decent football until the entire squad is replaced - check
We can't sack managers, we are better than that - check
Some of us should band together and create a template answer to such arguments. Would make the thread more manageable.
Thank you for your insightful contribution Siorac it is appreciated
He changed the coaching team, not the scouts. I have no idea which area scouts remain from SAF's reign but Jim Lawlor is still the chief scout of this club, as he was under Fergie.
I believe that he will see out this season.
The only question in my mind is, "will he still be here next season?".
The only question in my mind is, "will he still be here next season?".
Thats precisely the point . He wanted to implement a 4231 and took Lukaku in ( previously Zlatan). He wanted Perisic who can chip in accurate crosses for Lukaku but in reality our team's signings has been best suited for a 433 . Would we have fared better if he had got his signings ? Probably, but then his targets were short term options .
So there is always an argument that Klopp got the players he wanted to play a 433 while Jose didn't get what he wanted to play a 4231 ( mean with wingers)
We still have a slim chance of top 4.
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