Ed Woodward for you. This season was a write-off from day one.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Ed Woodward for you. This season was a write-off from day one.
Don't forget two trophies in the first season, 2nd place last season, it's the medias fault, it's Ed's fault, hater / hate, that first half hour against Spurs, clueless, serial winner etc etc.
You would have thought we (Woodward) would have learned about contracts after giving Moyes a SIX year deal.
Zombie passing
Most of the fun has been provided by moments of individual brilliance (Nani, Rooney, Berbatov, RvP); that wretched false dawn late in LvG’s first season was the closest we’ve got to having the team provide it.
No, I meant the things I also mentioned in my post. I've seen people from both sides having good discussions on the topic, even when it's gone a bit heated. Name calling and moaning about absolute random shit ruins it, though, also from both sides.
They always lay low for a bit after a bad game where everyone is seething,in 2 or 3 days they'll be back as strong as ever. Especially if we manage a good half some against some team. If we do win someone they'll multiply,cursing Ed,change their votes back to no
They usually come out in numbers after some flimsy, paper over the cracks kind of win.
What if we make another "Mourinho type" of appointment tho?
At least that's how it comes of to me when I read some of the posts in here. I think many are overestimating what this team as a group is capable of.
Of course not, because those are better players than what Mourinho got and they are suited to his style. We wouldn't be as good as City now though, because they already had a strong core when he got there.
They thought he was the one to lead us through the long night, they were wrong and can't make peace with that.
Well yeah, I'm not arguing against that. That's on Jose, his signings haven't turned out how he had hoped. The fact still remains that we're not magically gonna turn in to world beaters with a new manager.
Hopefully we get a manager that aims to build a project by looking at how to get the best out of our already available best players - from that moment on - we can talk about improving step by step..
Spot on mate! We don't need a big name manager, we need someone to take the club forwards. I don't really get the current fascination with big name managers - by the time they've become big names, they're often already on the way to becoming dinosaurs.
Blanc won the French league with Bordeaux as well. If you want to compare Jardim’s achievements with Monaco with limited funds then Blanc has done it as well. The difference is Blanc has managed bigger egos with PSG and the French national team as well.
One big factor why I want a change in management is because i can´t see ANY possible player change who would actually help us.
People always talk about how shite Lukaku is but in fact we all know that if we replace him with even someone like Lewandowsky, Kane etc., they would instantly perform 50% weaker. Same happened to Alexis. Also Pogba, Martial, Bailly etc etc. so much potential we could revive with one change - the manager.
People always talk about how shite Lukaku is but in fact we all know that if we replace him with even someone like Lewandowsky, Kane etc., they would instantly perform 50% weaker. Same happened to Alexis. Also Pogba, Martial, Bailly etc etc. so much potential we could revive with one change - the manager.
Hopefully we do a complete reboot this summer. New DoF, new manager and some new players. Ship out the deadwood and start again.
The most discouraging thing is that it looks like a lot of the players coming to the end of their contracts are going to be renewed (Mata and Smalling). We need to be ruthless and get rid of everyone who isn't up to elite level.
The most discouraging thing is that it looks like a lot of the players coming to the end of their contracts are going to be renewed (Mata and Smalling). We need to be ruthless and get rid of everyone who isn't up to elite level.
I agree.
We need to start planning for the future properly. I think because of our history (Busby and Ferguson) we are fixated with the idea of a manager that oversees everything throughout the club. We need to realize that we are unlikely to find someone like that again and delegate duties. A DOF with a clear vision would be a great start.
Jose know's he's gone in the summer as top 4 is gone now. So he doesn't care who he criticizes or how he behaves on his way out. He will at least try to motivate the players a little to try and salvage what's left of his battered ego and reputation. He'll leave in the know he lost the plot in the premier league and will never be hired there again despite once being the hottest thing since sliced bread when he arrived.
Reading back a few of the responses at the time and came across this one (in response to a sarcy comment about Pochettino):
Their intended mad version of events was more or less prophetic
It's amazing how smug some of the responses were knowing what Mourinho's history was like.Such a funny thread to go through.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pol...as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/
From 81% 19% to 60% 40% at moment of closing due vote change.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pol...as-the-next-manchester-united-manager.412540/
From 81% 19% to 60% 40% at moment of closing due vote change.
So Ed works for Mourinho? Who cares if Fellaini was cocky, does that mean we should grant the demand of each and every cocky player?
It was Ed's choice to wait till the last day before renewing the contract. They could have renewed it a year earlier or let him walk and bring in a replacement. Ed decided when he wanted to renew the contract and the terms that were offered. Mourinho and Fellaini are subordiantes to Ed and the logic that they trumped Ed is just silly
What you posted IS factually untrue!
of our 13 league games, Fred has appeared in 7 starting 6 of them. That is >50% but to you, Fred is barely making the bench. Is it not more likely that he has had his opportunities and failed to seize them and hold his spot? BTW it was Ed that negotiated and decided Fred was worth 52m, not Mourinho.
Similarly, pereira has had 4 appearances including 2 starts. He has had opportunities and if he was convincing, he would have earned his spot
Sure, like that Brighton game that both Fred and Pereira started and we conceded 3 goals in the first half?
So just play anyone cos they are young?
and yet Daley Blind left!
It is easy to see where a player stands in the pecking order, and if new players are brought in, those players at the bottom will leave. Unless a manager is resolute that he would never need the player, it would be stupid to declare you want to sell them before securing a replacement. You buy replacement and then ship out unwanted ones.
That is just nonsense. Both players and Mourinho work for Ed and he can sell/fire any of them at his discretion. The idea that Mourinho weakens the clubs negotiating position is preposterous. If that were true why are we not paying Fellaini 400k?
Ed could have brought in a replacement but Fellaini's comments about 50m for a midfielder hints at the crux of the issue i.e. it was cheaper to renew fellaini than buy a new player.
Transfer fees and wages are Ed's responsibility, on the pitch is Mourinho's. Each should be held responsible for what they have authority over
Reading back a few of the responses at the time and came across this one (in response to a sarcy comment about Pochettino):
Their intended mad version of events was more or less prophetic
This one is also hilariously smug, pity it's locked now.
My stand has not changed - Hire DoF and let him decide manager, transfers, wages and everything else footballing going forward. If DoF wants to fire Mourinho is fine and if he wants to keep for now, that is also fine (particularly when results were promising in the first 2 seasons before the joke of last summer).
We have done Ed+Moyes=failed, Ed+LvG= failed, and Ed+Mourinho= failing. The only thing constant is Ed. So lets change Ed for once and try DoF+Mourinho/New manager. What I dont want is Ed+4th manager cos to me its an exercise in futility.
Its ridiculous that we have some as clueless about the game as Ed making footballing decisions and in 6yrs i have not seen any convincing evidence that he can deliver in that role.
What worries me, is the impact holding on to Mourinho will have if we don't end up making Top 4.
It is what happened with Moyes. Players had already drawn-up plans to move away from the club in december (Evra, Vidic, Rio etc... even if they were aging, they were leaders in that team).
Another draw-back to Moyes, was the impact he had on the confidence of the squad by the time he was acquitted.
It is what happened with Moyes. Players had already drawn-up plans to move away from the club in december (Evra, Vidic, Rio etc... even if they were aging, they were leaders in that team).
Another draw-back to Moyes, was the impact he had on the confidence of the squad by the time he was acquitted.
Agreed. My original vote was for Blanc (still is but there are other options I'd consider today).
Regarding egos though, the rummblings in Paris were that he played favorites, notably with regards to Zlatan (it is what S. Aurier alluded to in his infamous video that got him marginalized and eventually sold).
Anyone will look to get the best out of the players we have, but realistically it will take quite a few changes.
@cheeky_backheel so you're basically defending Mourinho by criticising Woodward for getting Mourinho majority of the players he asked for…
Given that Ed won't be going, do you think we should keep Mourinho regardless?
It's called working in tandem, give and take. It isn't as black and white / all or nothing as you continually suggest.
Do you believe during Fergie's tenure at the club he got every player he ever wanted? Edwards & Gill I'm sure quite often vetoed some of Fergie's suggestions. Actually what am I on about, we all know this cause Fergie admitted as much in his biographies.
No we don't give into every single player but hey when the team manager goes public repeatedly stating just how incredibly important Fellaini is to the team and your future plans, you deliver... I mean look at how incredibly petty you and a large section of our fan base have reacted since the summer cause Jose didn't get his new centre back.
Maybe, just maybe Jose didn't get his CB cause he'd already been given Sanchez (26m in wages), Fellaini's new deal, Fred for another 52m and add in the 20m approx for the injured kid Dalot... Over 100m there in a matter of months.
Jose got Fellaini, he did not get his CB of choice... The very definition of what? Give and take and working together. Otherwise its the Chief Exec bending over backwards spoiling his manager or the flip side is Woodward being Chief Exec and team manager and Jose having zero input.
Reality is its somewhere in between.
Well done, I've already pointed out that Ed most likely didn't see the benefit of keeping Fellaini, at least not on the extortionate wages he was requesting. So of course things dragged out right to the last day of his contract.
You literally in the space of a few lines contradicted yourself to slate Woodward and praise Jose, the replacement was who? Fred.
But being as you want to talk about appearances Fellaini has played a total of 738 mins of football compared to Fred's 581 mins. Now remember, Fellaini arrived back late from the World Cup also and was not available for selection until Oct yet he's still managed to play more than his new signing.
You can't seriously believe this crap? I mean honestly, you say Periera was rightly dropped, yet here we are with Matic being consistently, utterly woeful every single game and keeps his place? And you defend that?
As for the Brighton game, well I raise you the Derby game where Matic started and was a turd and we couldn't beat a Championship team quickly followed by West Ham where Fellaini and Matic started and played the entire game and we got smashed 3-1.
Other wonderful midfield performances with Matic and Fellaini were Valencia at home, a bore draw and being played off the park by City the other week.
Is it any wonder we are having our worst season since the 70s when we've an idiot manager going with the same set up every single game and expecting different results.. One player has a bad game and doesn't get selected again, yet Fellaini and Matic can be poor for months on end and face no such action?
You're just coming across as a WUM now.
Where did I say just play youth cause they are young?
It's common sense that young players have a point to prove, Matic as just pointed out has arguably been our worst player this season and plays religiously and you defend that and then state Jose was right to drop Periera and play Fellaini more than Fred?
Is it any wonder City humiliated us a few weeks back starting with Fellaini and Matic in midfield? Any one defending that selection is an embarrassment, same way Jose was selecting that team with Fred (who performed brilliantly against City in the Champions League) sat on the bench.
As for Blind, it's give and take remember
A concept you seem to have no notion about.They do work for him but again, how would quick fire sales of numerous players and sacking managers be beneficial to the club? Again.. Give and take! There's a happy medium to be found. No manager gets every request granted to them, in reality it should be about 50/50.
Ugh, he did bring in a replacement... again, for the up tenth time... his name is Fred! He cost how much as well? So guess what no it wasn't bloody cheaper at all in anyway shape or form. Jose got his big lump of a tree in Fellaini... AND... A new midfielder also.
But when he couldn't get his CB, queue the public outrage and brain washed folks like yourself fall for it!
I think its safe to say you are well and truly brain washed and can see nowt wrong done by Jose.
To be fair, every manager has his favourites. Fergie gave special leeway to the likes of Cantona and Ronaldo. LVG with his famous “my captain always plays” Rooney. Mourinho with Matic.
Nope - have separate issues with Ed and Mourinho
I have a problem with Ed for the financial side of it e.g
- how much was paid for some transfers such as Lukaku, Matic and Fred
- wages paid to a lot of our players with Sanchez being the most ridiculous
- failure to sell dead weight
- extending contracts of aged players
- failure to bring in needed reinforcements last summer
- general failure to overhaul the squad
Issues with Mourinho are on the pitch
- petulant child antics
- using the team result to make his point to the board
- some player selections
- incongruent attack
- limited midfield
- overall poor play and results
Ed doesnt have to leave cos he seems to be doing a great job with the revenue side, just dont think he should be making footballing decisions and that qualified DoF would be more capable.
If there is no DoF, I couldnt care less if Allardyce became manager and wouldnt mind keeping mourinho if only to deny him his usual payoff. After 3 managers, unlike some, I am not expecting some miracle manager to come and fix things.
Any manager needs the right environment to succeed and I dont think we are providing that with Ed handling footballing decisions.
I think I may actually be on the "out" side now. The football is painful to watch. I was done after the first 45 against Palace.
I've always given JM the benefit of a doubt because I believed he was going to push us forward after last season's second place. Shame he couldn't get all the players he wanted last summer.
But after watching Spurs with Pocchetino, the excuses just die out. He just hasn't made the wisest purchases with the money he's given and the players he bought, he's not using them. Fred, Bailly, Sanchez to name them.
What's baffling is, he talks about us lacking intensity and not being able to press in the midfield. But he prefers to play Matic, Felli and Pogba as his midfield 3. What's even more baffling is he brings back Lukaku into the starting eleven because of his transfer price?
We need to seal the water hose before theres a flood on our hands. But I suspect, like Moyes, Ed will wait until top 4 is mathematically impossible. The problem with that is, we may lose some valuable players.
It's a shame because after Fergie, we haven't had a manager who raves about and loves the club as much as Jose does. A manager who truly understood what it meant to be the manager of Manchester United. Shame it should end like this....
I've always given JM the benefit of a doubt because I believed he was going to push us forward after last season's second place. Shame he couldn't get all the players he wanted last summer.
But after watching Spurs with Pocchetino, the excuses just die out. He just hasn't made the wisest purchases with the money he's given and the players he bought, he's not using them. Fred, Bailly, Sanchez to name them.
What's baffling is, he talks about us lacking intensity and not being able to press in the midfield. But he prefers to play Matic, Felli and Pogba as his midfield 3. What's even more baffling is he brings back Lukaku into the starting eleven because of his transfer price?
We need to seal the water hose before theres a flood on our hands. But I suspect, like Moyes, Ed will wait until top 4 is mathematically impossible. The problem with that is, we may lose some valuable players.
It's a shame because after Fergie, we haven't had a manager who raves about and loves the club as much as Jose does. A manager who truly understood what it meant to be the manager of Manchester United. Shame it should end like this....
All a front. He never truly loved the club, only loves himself. That became clear after the Sevilla defeat when he distanced himself.
I think someone on here said a while back that no matter how bad LVG was, at least he had a vision and you knew his we were going to approach games.
It definitely feels like he’s trolling us all with these decisions and he’s begging to be sacked. What’s more baffling is our board won’t do it.
Do you prefer incongruous?
He has to go, backed him up until the weekend but enough is enough. New direction is needed, and fast. Unfortunately we are stuck with him for this write-off of a season because the club is run by money men with little to no knowledge on running a football club.
Just saw the F365 article saying we’d have to set a new record to make the top four. No club has ever made up such a deficit after a third of the season to make the top four.
It’s done, not going to happen. And we certainly aren’t going to get anywhere near winning the CL, so that’s us out of top level European football next season. It’s not even fecking December. This club is miserable.
It’s done, not going to happen. And we certainly aren’t going to get anywhere near winning the CL, so that’s us out of top level European football next season. It’s not even fecking December. This club is miserable.
What footballing decisions are you referring to?
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