Mate,If we had hired Pep then it's very possible that not a single one of Jose's signings would be here and all his City signings would. So yeah the football would have definitely been different
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Mate,If we had hired Pep then it's very possible that not a single one of Jose's signings would be here and all his City signings would. So yeah the football would have definitely been different
You think we'd be 8th or still be playing shit football with Pep if we had signed Sane,Mahrez,Sterling,Walker,Laporte,Silva etc instead of Lukaku,Matic,Lindelof,Bailly,Sanchez etc?
Our approach to signing players is whoever is on the fecking managers list. If the manager wants 11 Bebe's we'll do our best to get them
If this club was not run by morons who have no clue, we'd have started the Pochetino tapping up process 1-2 years ago. If this club was not run by numpties we'd
Sacking Mourinho right now is the dumbest thing the club could go and I'm glad they've been smart enough to not pull the trigger so early.
He stays until the end of the season and then he should get sacked unless he has somehow managed to get us into the top 4 or to win a trophy.
I still believe Mourinho vastly overperformed in the league last year with the squad we have and I'm still hoping he'll prove everybody wrong.
He stays until the end of the season and then he should get sacked unless he has somehow managed to get us into the top 4 or to win a trophy.
I still believe Mourinho vastly overperformed in the league last year with the squad we have and I'm still hoping he'll prove everybody wrong.
This needs sharing here. I'm fecking fuming at this quote. He's bought 3 midfielders. He still plays 2 DMs regularly.
He's also bought how many defenders? 3 or 4? Yet we're still shite there too.
He's also bought how many defenders? 3 or 4? Yet we're still shite there too.
Would you be happy to keep him if we have top four? I wouldn't. We'll be exactly the same next season and the season after that under Jose - struggling and scraping for it. He has no idea how to improve us.
Genuinely dont understand how there's so much compensation due if we fire him. Wasn't he writing begging letters to get the job 3 years ago? Surely Utd had the upper hand in initial contract negotiations to foresee and preclose the possibility of exactly this type of situation.
We gave him a new contract this year.
And regarding the bolded - We get completely ripped off in any player contracts and that has been the case for a few years now. I don't think we have upper hand in any negotiation. Be it for signing anyone, extension or even selling a player we don't want.
Even given the wastefulness of this amoral industry and the Woodward-Glazer axis of venal stupidity, its still find it hard to believe that we'd be so dimwitted time after time. Utd are the anti-Levy club.
It seems absolutely barmy when you put it like that. We could've saved ourselves a massive headache and might well have cut him loose by now if his contract wasn't renewed.
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Yeah remember that home defeat to Norwich in Dec 2015 I still to this day don't know how he survived such a disastrous result. We also had bad defeats at Stoke & Bournemouth too if memory serves me right yet somehow LVG stayed until the FA Cup Final.
I don't know what defines a megathread, but this must be getting close.
Yeah. Then he'll sulk and sabotage.
He needs to go, because it is a lose/lose scenario.
I really hope the board are doing their homework and trying the best fit and not just a big name. I want someone younger, ambitious, who plays an exciting attacking brand of football.
How can it be a lose/lose for jose? he is probably one of the richest managers in the game due to 3rd season syndrome. He gets bored, he gets sacked, he gets a nice pay off, he moves on and does the same for another club, probably PSG when he does move on.
No lose/lose here. For jose, its simply a case of, rinse and repeat.
He's living proof money doesnt make you happy. He's such a misery and full of excuses. He's the type of person who probably leaves the adverts on when the RSPCA commercial comes on.
Knowing the board, they're probably going after sponsorers in china or Japan thinking everything is rosy onfield.
With all due respect, I don't give a flying feck about Jose.
It's a lose/lose for the club I've supported for 45 years. That's my concern.
And if our board gets only 10 of those Bebes, the "lick the managers arsehole because it's the United way" group will make as if it's the board's fault for not getting that 11th Bebe.
Is Mourinho getting exposed without Faria? Could it be that Faria is tactical mastermind whilst Mourinho is just a motivator?
I'm happy to see this. About time we had some unity on this issue amongst us. The constant fighting is depressing when we all want what's best for our club.
Nowadays it seems he's lost that part of his personality, but he was famous for it back in the day.Mourinho motivator?He can't even motivate himself much less the team
Problem is, I don't buy it for a second. I have no doubt that certain posters will be back in full pro-Jose mode once we scrape our next win against some second rate side.
Yeah I know. Seems to have lost it after his Madrid stint though..
They must realise by now that we can't continue like this. Scrape a win and then back to more shite results. Surely they see the team is not improving one bit whether we win or lose?
Yep, I agree, Madrid job got to him.
It was the first time in his career where winning at all costs wasn't enough, he had to do it in style, hence why so many of Madrid fans disliked him from the start.
Its naive to think otherwise, here is a kicker, they are not even supporting a guy, they worship the hell out of him, which is big difference. Whole media is against us, players, who from outside look like they are not on his side being treated like they are enemies of the club, the way they acted towards other posters who dared to rise a question or two and shoot a dart of criticism in his direction, only thing we are missing is "Lock her up" chant.
I'm beginning to think Jose's tenure is a conspiracy theory. Do the Israeli's somehow benefit?
If he goes out and buys Arnautovic for £50 million I'm going to flip.
feck. OFF. With your shit transfer list.
feck. OFF. With your shit transfer list.
Is there anyone at RedCafe that actually still wants Jose as manager though? I haven’t seen many sticking up for him of late?
I think everyone has had enough.
I think everyone has had enough.
In his own words He can’t motivate the players and they aren’t following his instructions. We also have no style of play, he doesn’t seem to have a good relationship with the squad, his signings aren’t good enough and he seems to be on a different page to the board.
Genuinely can’t think of anything positive or even one thing that you could say he is doing well.
Genuinely can’t think of anything positive or even one thing that you could say he is doing well.
Of course it helps dictate negotiations! Fellaini was cocky as hell and went to the media boasting about how he could demand extra on his new deal thanks to Jose. Stop revising history to suit a pro Jose agenda its actually embarrassing. Fellaini's media interview quotes are below. He wasn't given a new deal until the very last day of his contract and he gave a "big announcement" via his social media.
I'd suggest that indicates the last thing Woodward wanted to do was keep him but had to reluctantly fold his hand as Jose and Fellaini had him trumped.
"The entire staff is doing everything I can to stay," he told Sport Voetbal Magazine.
"The club did not renew my contract last year. Now I am in a strong position, especially since Mourinho has stated that he wants to keep me.
"Last year I went to the coach and I said that I wanted a new contract. I then had a second meeting, but I will not ask it 10 times.
"Afterwards I became important for the team... and a good player costs at least 50 million euros. The club knows that they went wrong there."
The 2nd part is pure nonsense. He has a 52m midfielder in Fred barely making the bench since he bought him. Jose also complained that Periera made the wrong choice last season going on loan to Valencia, he told him this summer he would be a big part of his plans this season and got past the transfer window and then he's not set foot on the pitch since..... Two midfielders available to him and he blatantly ignores them every single game. What you are posting is factually untrue.
And the guy complains about lack of intensity in his team? Well duh, you pick Matic, Fellaini and Lukaku religiously in your team. Get some young, fresh legs in there and lads that really want to play for the team.
He complains about players not caring about win, lose or draw.. Change it then. Promote youth! Do...Something, Anything! Look at how he himself just accepted the home loss to Juve. He didn't make a single tactical change.
What unwanted players are these you speak of? https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...does-not-want-to-sell-any-players-this-summer
He stated he wanted to keep all his players, I've already posted the Fellaini example and previously posted quotes from Darmian and his agent stating Jose wanted to keep him even though Darmian has wanted to go back to Italy for over a year now. Contract extensions are being handed out to periphery players at Jose's request.
So when any of our players contracts run out now, they've a manager supporting their transfer negotiations and weakening the clubs bargaining power regardless of their actual performance.
Woodward is by an large simply following his managers wishes.
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I don't want him to be sacked tonight, just don't see the point of it. I wouldn't cry about if he was. I would cry if we'd go on to make another LVG type of appointment though. I'm not blind and I see we're awful most of the time and that a lot of things have to change, not just the manager and the starting XI. I agree with a lot, probably most, of the criticism towards Mourinho here. I just don't the hysterical circle jerk that comes with it.
Press conference thread: "I honestly don't care, not going to watch the match"
Match day thread: "feck this line-up!"
Match day thread 5 mins after the kick-off: "WE'RE SHIT I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE"
Mourinho thread during the half-time: "He has to go NOW!"
Mourinho thread after the match: "HE HAS TO GO NOW!"
Post-match thread: "Everyone was shit"
The abuse some players like Lukaku get here, some fickle morons wishing injuries to our own players, wishing us to lose matches to get rid of Mourinho, talking about flying banners etc, just for me to go to the "potential replacement" thread to see how some people saying we should get Wenger as interim manager.
For a period of time, I was disappointed how things were going for him as I really wanted him here in the first place. I kept kidding myself and holding onto this belief that he would improve us. Over time, the disappointment in him dissipated and it turned into pure frustration in his inability to turn this utter shit-show around. Now I'm not even particularly frustrated because as long as he remains here, I actually expect feck all from the team / performances and I'm resigned to the fact that things won't improve under him.
That's the real issue of the day.
By "hysterical circle jerk" do you mean people pointing out that we're 8th having spent £400m, and have no clear style of play other than hoofball, while other posters bombard them with 'spoilt gloryhunter' insults?
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