I’m pretty certain he was showing them a video of Jagielka for maybe something very particular, it didn’t mean that he thought Jagielka was a better player than them.
Mourinho’s treatment of young players has been horrendous since probably day 1.
Oh no, I defintely have. As a matter of fact it was in the top 5 seasons of how invested I was in the team in the 23 years I’ve been supporting the club.
This season is going to end far better, that's I'm sure about. Even if we finish 5th it will still be better. I remember people comparing LVG second season to Moyes season and their stats too, when we went into that abysmal run of November and December but guess what, the season still ended better than Moyes one, this one will be too.
Honestly not sure. I don't see any signs of us actually getting to the level of 5th. We can't defend and we lose too much. I don't think we'll crumble to the degree of Dave post January, but we are going to wrack up a lot of losses this season imo. Very few games this Season that I look back on and think "we deserved that win", that's not a good sign. We can't even blame it on injuries either as so far we've been ok. I remember back in Daves season we had a mini injury crisis which resulted in us over playing some players through the Winter Period which resulted in very tired players from Janauary onwards. His rotation policy was abysmal.
Right, because eye-poking rival managers is very high on the maturity level.Well both players didn’t appreciate it as it’s on record!
Probably isn’t actually, that’s an opinion. And to say it’s been horrible is just wrong. Telling a young adult they’re immature isn’t an horrendous act. Perspective is certainly lacking with your post
Its not fact it's just a manager who's deflecting attention away from his own failings. The players maturity/personal lives has nothing to do with the bigger picture and the bigger picture is we're 8th in the league with a negative GD. Jose job is to win football matches - the rest doesn't matter -and he's done a poor job at that therefore he'll look for more ways to shift the attention away from himself.So stating young players lack maturity if now horrible treatment? I thought it'd just be a fact?
Moyes came out with gems like Rio and Vida should watch Jagielka to learn how to defend. He lost the squad in its entirety. I 100% would certainly never want to go through his tenure again, it was horrendous.
Right, because eye-poking rival managers is very high on the maturity level.
Its not fact it's just a manager who's deflecting attention away from his own failings. The players maturity/personal lives has nothing to do with the bigger picture and the bigger picture is we're 8th in the league with a negative GD. Jose job is to win football matches - the rest doesn't matter -and he's done a poor job at that therefore he'll look for more ways to shift the attention away from himself.
I don't think there's horrendous treatment but I think there's unfair treatment. That much is very clear.Mate I'm simply calling someone out on saying it's horrendous treatment. It isn't. He has mismanaged our players, all of them not just the younger ones. But he has not treated a single one of them horrendously. It's all about perspective, anyone saying he treats players horrendously is just wrong or very over sensitive.
I'm all for him going asap. But lets deal with the facts, then club are retaining his services. No amount of debate on a forum will resolve that.
Jose should know better and is hypocritical in his interviews. I doubt he'll ever change. However his outlook is more reflective of his generation, where men need to be men. That said he just needs to shut his piehole at times.
I think you are just arguing semantics. When fans on a football forum mention things like being treated horrendously it obviously means something very different from the actual meaning of the word. Literally the word horrendously would mean something terrible but in this context it just means Mourinho doesn't trust the young players, he doesn't publicly back them like he does his favourites Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez etc or doesn't give them enough rope for them to play into form.Mate I'm simply calling someone out on saying it's horrendous treatment. It isn't. He has mismanaged our players, all of them not just the younger ones. But he has not treated a single one of them horrendously. It's all about perspective, anyone saying he treats players horrendously is just wrong or very over sensitive.
I'm all for him going asap. But lets deal with the facts, then club are retaining his services. No amount of debate on a forum will resolve that.
Jose should know better and is hypocritical in his interviews. I doubt he'll ever change. However his outlook is more reflective of his generation, where men need to be men. That said he just needs to shut his piehole at times.
He's not cut out to deal with the current generation. That much is very clear.
Agreed.I think you are just arguing semantics. When fans on a football forum mention things like being treated horrendously it obviously means something very different from the actual meaning of the word. Literally the word horrendously would mean something terrible but in this context it just means Mourinho doesn't trust the young players, he doesn't publicly back them like he does his favourites Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez etc or doesn't give them enough rope for them to play into form.
As for the second bolded part, it's a load of bullshit. Every generation feels like their lives were the hardest. If anything the competition in football is on a complete different level to the previous one.
Rashford and Lingard certainly haven’t been improving (nor has Shaw tbh).
Although they’ve been looking like different players for England. Funny what playing for a manager who builds (as opposed to destroys) confidence can do.
So he’s ‘very much right’ when saying Martial lacks balls? Can you explain to me how a 19 year old lad scores a wonder goal on his debut in front of seventy thousand odd people, against our biggest rivals, lacks character? Where is the actual evidence to suggest he lacks character/balls?Also, he was very much right, so i don't see any problem in what he said.
Agreed.
If anything, it's an indication as to his inability to adapt to the newer generation more than anything. It seems rather implausible that other teams and manager's are apparently lucky enough to have young players who are "true men" while ours sadly are sissies. We've got a manager who has benefited here for two and a half years, spent shit loads of money and still manages to get us to play crap football, sat 8th in the table and moans about his players/club/spending. Sad state of affairs and his failure at United is not going to reflect well on him either.
So he’s ‘very much right’ when saying Martial lacks balls? Can you explain to me how a 19 year old lad scores a wonder goal on his debut in front of seventy thousand odd people, against our biggest rivals, lacks character? Where is the actual evidence to suggest he lacks character/balls?
Also, as you see no problem with what he said, can you tell me why this is a good thing for a manager to say? What sort of positive impact are you expecting it to have?
Apparently even Mourinho think Lingard is a young player despite turning 26 in a few weeks.
Just seems to me that he doesn’t know how to develop these young men as players. He can give all the stats he likes about minutes played, but anyone can give a player minutes.Interesting thing is, he talks about them as though he is doing his best to try to make them mature, when in reality he was pimping for Perisic or Sanchez to replace Martial, eventually getting the latter. Neglects to say he all but gave up on them.
So he’s ‘very much right’ when saying Martial lacks balls? Can you explain to me how a 19 year old lad scores a wonder goal on his debut in front of seventy thousand odd people, against our biggest rivals, lacks character? Where is the actual evidence to suggest he lacks character/balls?
Once Jose says something it seems to become a fact for some people, even though there is no other real evidence to back up his claims.Not to mention an even younger man who scored a brace on his European debut, a brace against Arsenal on his PL debut, the winner at the Etihad on his derby debut, a goal on his international debut, the winner against high-flying Chelsea 2 seasons ago, a brace against Liverpool earlier this year... and was also a major contributor to our Europa League triumph.
Or another one who scored the FA Cup winner in extra time.
That's very harsh re Lingard. He has improved massively under Mourinho. He's a far better player now than he was before Jose took over.
Quite funny seeing in the last few pages the same arse-licking culprits posting the 'real quotes' over and over again as if people are going to change their mind because they got one small part wrong.
I know for sure who has the real agenda here.
The only difference being the quote that got everybody riled up in the first place?If I'm not mistaken the only difference is that he didn't say that Shaw can't behave, which was a strange sentence in the first place. The rest is intact?
I think you are just arguing semantics. When fans on a football forum mention things like being treated horrendously it obviously means something very different from the actual meaning of the word. Literally the word horrendously would mean something terrible but in this context it just means Mourinho doesn't trust the young players, he doesn't publicly back them like he does his favourites Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez etc or doesn't give them enough rope for them to play into form.
As for the second bolded part, it's a load of bullshit. Every generation feels like their lives were the hardest. If anything the competition in football is on a complete different level to the previous one.
The only difference being the quote that got everybody riled up in the first place?
If you're angry at the non Shaw aspect then you set out to be angry in the first place if we're bring honest.
Wow he really slammed them snowflakes. Absolutely terrible and disastrous man management. Am I doing this right?
However childish Lingard may seem, he hasn't exactly performed badly, in fact he is always one of the players who are said to have improved under Mourinho. Plus its not the right time to mention those set of players when they are the ones showing skill and performance on the pitch while the likes of Lukaku and Matic, Mourinho's "generals" are looking lost. Nothing would have been made of this had Shaw, Martial etc did not perform well but they are performing and criticizing them looks a bit stupid IMO.Complains about Jesse yet backs the younger Lukaku. So that argument doesn't stand up. It's the immaturity, if you compare them they're like chalk and cheese as people. Jesse is a tad childish and certainly one of the boys off the field.
As for it being bullshit as you so nicely put it. It is indeed reflective of his generation. Or are you expecting him to relate to 23 year olds like he understands their culture?
I must be an odd one out, as I never considered myself as having a harder life than my parents/ Grandparents nor Great Grandparents. Do you believe you've had it bad?
However childish Lingard may seem, he hasn't exactly performed badly, in fact he is always one of the players who are said to have improved under Mourinho. Plus its not the right time to mention those set of players when they are the ones showing skill and performance on the pitch while the likes of Lukaku and Matic, Mourinho's "generals" are looking lost. Nothing would have been made of this had Shaw, Martial etc did not perform well but they are performing and criticizing them looks a bit stupid IMO.
As for Mourinho not connecting with the 23 yr olds, it's his fecking job, he has to deal with players of that age group, it's what he is getting paid millions for. If he doens't like dealing with them he is the one who has to feck off for a different job.
However childish Lingard may seem, he hasn't exactly performed badly, in fact he is always one of the players who are said to have improved under Mourinho. Plus its not the right time to mention those set of players when they are the ones showing skill and performance on the pitch while the likes of Lukaku and Matic, Mourinho's "generals" are looking lost. Nothing would have been made of this had Shaw, Martial etc did not perform well but they are performing and criticizing them looks a bit stupid IMO.
As for Mourinho not connecting with the 23 yr olds, it's his fecking job, he has to deal with players of that age group, it's what he is getting paid millions for. If he doens't like dealing with them he is the one who has to feck off for a different job.
I was replying to someone who claimed that the players had improved since the interview in October.
You are the one who said how'd you expect Mourinho to understand the youngsters these days. I replied that it's his job to understand the young people these days, you can't just say these youngsters are so different from how I was.Please feel free to these managers who relate to and understand deeply people who are 20/30 years younger than them?
I’d say you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. Society has changed massively since Jose was a young man. It’ll be just the same in another 30 years.
Not heard him ever say he doesn’t like working with young players. Link to it if you have.
Plus the club are retaining his services, so why would he leave?
Neymar is the most childish footballer I know and nobody gives a feck about his character or maturity, what he does on the pitch is what matters. Similarly nobody gives a shit how mature Lukaku or Matic are now since they are playing very poorly. If anything Martial is the one who has shown the maturity and character more than anyone in the squad, he keeps losing his position and keeps winning it back. It's just silly to make such claims when Mourinho's team is performing poorly as a whole.For the 100th time, Jose is not mentioning whose in form. He's talking about character and maturity in general.
You are the one who said how'd you expect Mourinho to understand the youngsters these days. I replied that it's his job to understand the young people these days, you can't just say these youngsters are so different from how I was.
That's a lie. Neymars character is always being questioned.Neymar is the most childish footballer I know and nobody gives a feck about his character or maturity, what he does on the pitch is what matters. Similarly nobody gives a shit how mature Lukaku or Matic are now since they are playing very poorly. If anything Martial is the one who has shown the maturity and character more than anyone in the squad, he keeps losing his position and keeps winning it back. It's just silly to make such claims when Mourinho's team is performing poorly as a whole.
Neymar is the most childish footballer I know and nobody gives a feck about his character or maturity, what he does on the pitch is what matters. Similarly nobody gives a shit how mature Lukaku or Matic are now since they are playing very poorly. If anything Martial is the one who has shown the maturity and character more than anyone in the squad, he keeps losing his position and keeps winning it back. It's just silly to make such claims when Mourinho's team is performing poorly as a whole.
