And your grandchildren will do the same for your generation. That's the way of the world I'm afraid.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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And your grandchildren will do the same for your generation. That's the way of the world I'm afraid.
Yep, each generation takes a crap on the next, and think they're the worst thing to have happened to humanity. It's the wonderful circle of life.
Maybe you should actually read what he said.
Only if you’re completely biased and cherry picks my posts. Sorry I’m not a numpty that will throw the kitchen sink at him. On the pitch, dire. Anything else, it’s not the end of the world. And certain people could do with stop acting like it is. He doesn’t get top 4 he’s gone. That’s it. There’s nothing he can do in between now and then to get himself sacked.
It’s the people ignoring our other problems I think are weird. Yes, Jose is a problem. But he’s not the only one, and getting rid of him solves nothing and potentially could make us even worse. You show a manager with a better track record than Jose and I’ll get on board. Sacking for the sake of sacking, stupid.
So you believe it's okay for a manager to say his young players lack 'cojones or character' in public?
This is what gets me about Mourinho.
Those young players with no balls are our best players so what's his point exactly?
The older players are the ones letting us down. Where's the public criticism for them?
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I've said it before: he's the most self-serving man on the planet.
Thank God he didn’t name Pereira. Caf would have exploded over a player who has done very little.
And why is that do you think?
Periera was pretty good for Valencia on the right wing, yet he has had no chances in that position despite our desperate need.
1.5 Games here and Mourinho had the audacity to be pissed off at a him when he went to Valencia.
He needs to go on loan again. Wasting his career here, while Mourinho continues to play favourite.
Lingard is also older than Lukaku. Surprised he didn't get mentioned with the other "spolit kids".
How can you say this and feel comfortable with yourself? Are you really blind or you really believe it and think everything is ok? What really can be worse than United sitting at 8th with a negative GD playing one of the most uninspiring football we've never seen? Do you enjoy the drama and scandals he brought with him as baggage? Do you really enjoy the way the fan base is divided? Do you really watch this team play, after 2 seasons, and say to yourself "Yeah, Mourinho is doing a great job"? Do you enjoy the fact our two rivals are playing beautiful football while we're the laughing stock of the world football? And do you really believe there's no other manager around who could do a better job than him when the like of Zidane are jobless and have just won 3 CL in 3 seasons with a team that unceremoniously kicked Jose out?
ok took the time to read the article rather than have someone relay it.
question i have is what is the point of it? what's he trying to achieve? another attempt at a reaction from the 4 players? 4 of our younger players who've had the character to play in this underperforming team, in the spotlight and in the past have had to deal with the public criticism which has been dealt out in the past? I don't buy this
he talks about the maturity of men in his passive aggressive comments about the 4. His intention is obviously to say they are far from the 'diamonds' suggested. do you buy this from him?
if so how do we explain the form and performance levels from the 'men' of the group - Matic, Sanchez, Lukaku etc have been dire
for a man who takes no responsibility himself to take the time to point out shortcomings in some of our reliable players (Shaw has been our most consistent defender, Martial our best attacker) is uncalled for IMO.
our mature man in charge can't get a tune out of our richly assembled squad. We've spent a fortune in wages and fees and were behind Watford and Bournemouth with a negative goal difference. He cries about money yet the players he's signed have largely flopped and aren't playing anywhere near they could. We spent 50 something million on Fred.... another player Mourinho hasn't a clue how to use and doesn't put him in the team ahead of players like Fellaini and Matic who has been dogshit
so in sum... I don't think Mourinho needed to make any remotely negative comments on our players and it's rich to talk shortcomings when you have failed to the degree he has at United
Once again, cherry picking. If your going to remove the context of my words, don’t bother replying.
That they have bags of talent but just need to toughen up. I thought it was obvious what he was saying?
Yeah, i'll not really bother replying to someone who has your kind of reasoning. Mourinho is not the best manager in the world, actually he isn't even in the top 10 of best managers in football. I got to laugh at someone who think that Jose is not a big problem for this club. Yes there are serious issues on the board level but most of them would have gone unnoticed if the manager was doing an acceptable job. Wake up man, get out of this world you're living in.
And do you believe he was right to say it?
Fair enough!
Not everything is about track record! And it's not sacking for the sake of sacking! We would be sacking him to build long-term. There are a few names that are coming along that are better fitted with our core values.
In a market where City, PSG and others pay over the odds, we have to find an alternative approach to counter this. We can't always compete with someone like City purely on the basis of £££. If Jose is given £600-700 million, I'm sure he can win a title or two.
But, as a club, we can't spend 100s of millions every year for finished products which Jose requires to build a team.
We need to be able to think out of the box and start buying players who we can develop. He's signed a few players like this in the form of Fred, Lindelof, Pogba and Bailly. He's also got some players that are in the squad that he can build upon (including those he threw under bus for being young).
If it was when Fergie retired, it would be a risk to fire someone straight away. Mourinho would have been a perfect candidate to keep things going and maintaining a winning mentality. Maybe he would have lasted 2013 to 2016 and had another breakdown. But right now, this is a different United. Moyes broke our winning mentality. Van Gaal took us even further down with his several poor signings. We're right now just one of the top 6 teams in England that plays pragmatic style of football. We would someone is mad if they told us in 2009 that this would be state. This would be considered a disaster in absolute terms. In relative terms, Mourinho has done okay, we hired him to improve us in absolute terms. This hasn't happened.
This is because Mourinho isn't a builder. Right now, we need a builder more than anything else. Someone who can nurture and man-manage these young pups.
There is a man out there, his name is Leonardo Jardim. He can build teams. We have young players he can nurture. Even younger players like Greenwood and Gomes he can bring through (Look what he did with Mbappe). Yes, it might be a risk. Everything is a risk. But there's no better time than now to start thinking building for next year.
Waiting till top 4 is not possible is bad business. That could mean sacking Mourinho in May. Hiring a new manager in May / June. He then need until December to weigh up the side. By having new manager mid-way would be the better decision.
I think it's a storm in a teacup. I don't think anyone should be that bothered. If a player is sensitive to the interview it makes me wonder about their mentality to be honest.
As Lukaku says he's unsure about how other players react but if they've been criticized they should deal with it like a grown ass man.
The problem is this forum is quite toxic at the moment and there is a crowd waiting to jump on anything he does, for good or bad. Suddenly we're all motivational experts and a fly on the wall as to how players are reacting to the feedback Jose gives in public or privately.
People want to talk about sensitive players etc. But non of them asked to get mentioned yet again about rubbish. There actually just trying to get on with their job. But yet again Mr Excuses wants more tools to through out in preparation for when he drops them again for his less consistent Mob. All for the twiddle dumbs in here the guy about and his motley crew to rely his message of their poor mentality etc etc.
It tells me that you don't know much about football.
If you'd rather we have Moyes in charge, that says it all.
I think some people on here are snowflakes and need to man up.
Looking forward to tomorrow's match. Should be good.
Matters not what he said. His quotes were always going to be blown out of all proportion. As a mature bloke, he should know better than be allowed to go down that line of questioning. With age comes wisdom and he's certainly old enough to know better.
If he wishes to put issues he has with players out in the open, then he needs to do it after they or he has left the club.
I detested Moyes when he was here, so it’s totally in hindsight but I would have 13/14 Moyes here over current Mourinho any day of the week. I’m certain he’d have bought better that’s for sure, and his treatment of young players wouldn’t be utterly horrible, the football was better too. Maybe it was 72 crosses per game, but at least he had a visible plan, and I was entertained even though we were shite.
After 3 years I still don’t understand what Kind of football we are playing under Mourinho.
Any links to the actual real quotes?
I'm not even sure you watched Moyes season after such post.
So stating young players lack maturity if now horrible treatment? I thought it'd just be a fact?
Moyes came out with gems like Rio and Vida should watch Jagielka to learn how to defend. He lost the squad in its entirety. I 100% would certainly never want to go through his tenure again, it was horrendous.
I’m pretty certain he was showing them a video of Jagielka for maybe something very particular, it didn’t mean that he thought Jagielka was a better player than them.
Mourinho’s treatment of young players has been horrendous since probably day 1.
Oh no, I defintely have. As a matter of fact it was in the top 5 seasons of how invested I was in the team in the 23 years I’ve been supporting the club.
I couldn't stand Dave and was against his appointment (ironically I wanted Jose back then).
However. This season so far is pretty much identical to Daves 1st season.
David Moyes:
6 wins
3 draws
3 losses
21 points
+5 goal difference
Jose:
6 wins
2 draws
4 losses
20 points
-1 goal difference
Dave had a terrific knack of critising the older players in the dressing room, Jose does it with the younger players.
In the last 20 PL games we have a goal difference of +4. Last 29 games (this is all of the PL games in 2018) our goal difference is +12. It's just not good enough really and it's been going on for almost 12 months. It's basically like watching Daves football yet now we concede more goals and we play more erratically, sometimes we wake up other times we sleep walk to near oblivion.
Feels like a classic case of the team downing tools tomorrow after these comments.
You can't say that then tell us Moyes had a visible plan or you were entertaining what we were offering.
I was certainly not entertained watching us getting thrashed at Old Trafford by our biggest rivals Liverpool and City 3-0 or losing to loads crap lower half teams on our own pitch then hearing after it that was their first ever win at OT for 40 years. The football wasn't even fun, it was shite.
The only good thing about this season was RVP hattrick against Olympiakos.
This season brings me nightmares. Not even the worst LVG and Mourinho days will compared to the dross served in Moyes saying. I hated LVG with passion, but will sill take him ahead of Moyes any day, every day.
Till we get thrashed 3-0 by Liverpool and City at Old Trafford and lose loads of games against crap lower half teams on our own pitch so no stats will ever convince me there will be a worse season than Moyes one.
Getting thrashed by City away and Spurs at home is so much better?
Also Moyes had a very good away record iirc, surely better than Mourinho’s.
We got thrashed 1-4 at Etihad at Moyes season.
Jose Loses This Season:
Lost to Brighton Away 3:2
Lost to Spurs Home 3:0
Lost to Derby Home on Pens
Lost to West Ham Away 3:1
Lost to Juventus Home 1:0 (dont mind this one, Juve are a proper elite club).
Lost to Man City Away 3:1
Lost 3 Home Games and 3 Away Games from 17 games.
Dave Loses In Same Time Frame:
Lost to Liverpool Away 1:0
Lost to Man City Away 4:1
Lost to West Brom Home 1:2
Lost 1 Home Game and 2 Away Games from 19 games.
With Dave we had an ok start to the season, it all went to shit around late December and after. It's been a pretty abysmal start to the season for us.
When it comes to big games there is no comparison.
Vs Liverpool lost 1-0 away and 3-0 at home
Vs City - Lost 4-1 away and 3-0 at home
Vs Chelsea - lost 3-1 away and drew 0-0 at home
Vs Arsenal - won 1-0 at home and drew 0-0 away
vs Spurs - Drew 2-2 away and lost 2-1 at home
Vs Everton - lost 1-0 away and 2-0 at home
That's just pathetic record.
This season is going to end far better, that's I'm sure about. Even if we finish 5th it will still be better. I remember people comparing LVG second season to Moyes season and their stats too, when we went into that abysmal run of November and December but guess what, the season, despite being underwhelming, still ended better than Moyes one, this one will be too.
See you know what’s wrong, but You’re still focused on Jose. We need a better scouting system. We need to be finding young talent and bringing it through. Right now, we aren’t finding. Even if Jose was to feck it up later, we need to be finding the next messi, Ronaldo or whoever not buying them later. Sacking Jose as a main goal doesn’t change anything. Ed is all about image. He think Sanchez was a good deal, even after his terrible run of form he still thinks that was a good deal and worth every penny because as he himself said, the Sanchez deal brought in cash from other areas. He also said he didn’t see the point in infesting to move up one place as winning the league doesn’t make enough of an impact to the bottom line to bother. He’s happy with top 4. Say what you want about Jose, but at least he wants to win.
I’ve said it again and again but I’ll say it again since it keeps being ignored. I don’t care if Jose goes, I care that he doesn’t go before Ed. Because Ed will pick another manger that he can brag about rather than one that will bring us that attaching football we all want so much. Remember the constant chants of “attack, attack, attack”? Ed’s answer to that dire shit we saw under lvg was Jose. So what’s his answer going to be next? Big Sam?
The simple fact is I don’t trust Ed to choose a good replacement. People moan about Jose making bad choices when it comes to players and use it as a reason to sack him. I see no difference with Ed choosing 3 failed managers in a row.
Never said he was. You take care, brobeans. Don’t let facts and context of words get in the way of posting in the future.
Oh that's great then. So we'll be slightly less shit than we were under Moyes? Fantastic. Get the man a new 5 year contract.
I didn't say that lol. It was just few pages when I said he's a goner by the end of the season whatever the outcome.
Love those who jump midway into a discussion to say something that no one was even talking about.
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