The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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shamans said:
Yeah I was wrong too. You can only make the best bet but nothing is 100% success for sure. What can I say, fans just want to believe they were right. Truth is he has already failed as we hired him for instance success not long term rebuilding. However I wish he turns it around.
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To me, it’s petty internet point scoring from a select few. I mean, I wanted him and like you, I expected instant success as that’s what he’s renowned for. The first season was enjoyable enough at times and I felt there were some positive signs. I supported him fully up until this season despite the massive cracks that were starting to appear last season.

However, this season I have simply lost faith in him and his ability to be successful here. I can’t pretend that some wins against ok-ish opposition has swayed my opinion as it will take a-lot more than that that for him to ‘turn it around’. But I can at least admit I was wrong, I actively lobbied for him and was delighted when we got him but it’s just not working. His ardent fans are now going to ridiculous lengths to justify how we play, how poor our signings have been, his dropping and treatment of players like Martial etc, all in the name of backing their man.
 
Robbie Boy said:
To me, it’s petty internet point scoring from a select few. I mean, I wanted him and like you, I expected instant success as that’s what he’s renowned for. The first season was enjoyable enough at times and I felt there were some positive signs. I supported him fully up until this season despite the massive cracks that were starting to appear last season.

However, this season I have simply lost faith in him and his ability to be successful here. I can’t pretend that some wins against ok-ish opposition has swayed my opinion as it will take a-lot more than that that for him to ‘turn it around’. But I can at least admit I was wrong, I actively lobbied for him and was delighted when we got him but it’s just not working. His ardent fans are now going to ridiculous lengths to justify how we play, how poor our signings have been, his dropping and treatment of players like Martial etc, all in the name of backing their man.
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I think there is still a chance possibility he can turn it around. He has made a lot of mistakes and it's annoying how he always has an excuse but just maybe if he has learned from those mistakes and finally understood how to deal with a few players, we could see a turnaround.

I am just hopeful but I admit it is blind hope more or less. He certainly doesn't deserve to be here and has overstayed his welcome but I just feel maybe these dodgy 1 goal wins get us out of the woods, Martial hits form and things just start to work.

Again I think it's a very small chance and if I was in charge I'd have sacked him a good few months ago.
 
cyberman said:
Bayern, PSG and Barca have dominated their leagues in recent years which has dulled their talents for when they face the big boys in the business end of the CL.
City dominated England yet crumbled as soon as they faced a Liverpool side who put them under unfamiliar pressure.
We battle every week, we are used to that dog fight which plays into why Klopp is yet to beat us in the league imo
Besides, I hate possession football.
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Soooooo, by being bad against most teams we’re better than City when we play against good teams?

Getting our arses handed to us for 45 minutes against Bournemouth somehow makes us better able to deal with an onslaught from a team like Juventus or Barca?

If your are on a wind-up then hands off to you for your creativity. If you’re serious then... well... I’m genuinely lost for words...
 
Robbie Boy said:
To me, it’s petty internet point scoring from a select few. I mean, I wanted him and like you, I expected instant success as that’s what he’s renowned for. The first season was enjoyable enough at times and I felt there were some positive signs. I supported him fully up until this season despite the massive cracks that were starting to appear last season.

However, this season I have simply lost faith in him and his ability to be successful here. I can’t pretend that some wins against ok-ish opposition has swayed my opinion as it will take a-lot more than that that for him to ‘turn it around’. But I can at least admit I was wrong, I actively lobbied for him and was delighted when we got him but it’s just not working. His ardent fans are now going to ridiculous lengths to justify how we play, how poor our signings have been, his dropping and treatment of players like Martial etc, all in the name of backing their man.
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I think this was the stance of majority of fans including me, except a few who never wanted him in the first place. The die hard Jose cultists, I don't know how those come about
 
We have 2 big games this week: Juventus away and City away. I know most here will say we will lose both but please consider the possibility ... if we were to tie one and win the other, would anyone change their minds regarding Mourinho?

I think its important for us fans to keep an open mind, although I realise that many here in the CAF have already made up their mind.
 
So, now that United won the league last season (it’s only a matter of time before City are stripped of their titles), is it time that Jose got some credit?

My tongue is firmly in my cheek here. The FA will never take such action...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Soooooo, by being bad against most teams we’re better than City when we play against good teams?

Getting our arses handed to us for 45 minutes against Bournemouth somehow makes us better able to deal with an onslaught from a team like Juventus or Barca?

If your are on a wind-up then hands off to you for your creativity. If you’re serious then... well... I’m genuinely lost for words...
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You don't have to be bad not to win 6-0.
Barca dominate LA Liga yet its the two fighting below them that makes multiple CL finals in a row.
That's just possession football. Its a different story if you're a Sir Alex /Klopp side who work hard and hit on the break. You keep that element of sharpness. That sense of worth when you play Rooney wide Left to chase their LB
 
cyberman said:
Bayern, PSG and Barca have dominated their leagues in recent years which has dulled their talents for when they face the big boys in the business end of the CL.
City dominated England yet crumbled as soon as they faced a Liverpool side who put them under unfamiliar pressure.
We battle every week, we are used to that dog fight which plays into why Klopp is yet to beat us in the league imo
Besides, I hate possession football.
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:lol: What the actual feck?
 
manunited1919 said:
We have 2 big games this week: Juventus away and City away. I know most here will say we will lose both but please consider the possibility ... if we were to tie one and win the other, would anyone change their minds regarding Mourinho?

I think its important for us fans to keep an open mind, although I realise that many here in the CAF have already made up their mind.
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I'm open to Mourinho changing my view on whether he's good enough. However it won't swing based on the odd few results. I'll base it on the quality of football, development of players and ultimately if I feel he can build a team capable of winning the league with us.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Soooooo, by being bad against most teams we’re better than City when we play against good teams?

Getting our arses handed to us for 45 minutes against Bournemouth somehow makes us better able to deal with an onslaught from a team like Juventus or Barca?

If your are on a wind-up then hands off to you for your creativity. If you’re serious then... well... I’m genuinely lost for words...
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We bent over for Juve two weeks ago at home for all the preparation, and our manager came up to tell us how amazing they are and that the plan was always to finish below them, and they all leapt to his defence as usual. Some things you read on though:lol:
 
To be honest, I think winning multiple trophies in the one season is bad for football in general. For one, it’s unfair on all the teams that didn’t win a trophy and it’s just boring and one sided. Give me one trophy over multiple trophies any day of the week.
 
cyberman said:
You don't have to be bad not to win 6-0.
Barca dominate LA Liga yet its the two fighting below them that makes multiple CL finals in a row.
That's just possession football. Its a different story if you're a Sir Alex /Klopp side who work hard and hit on the break. You keep that element of sharpness. That sense of worth when you play Rooney wide Left to chase their LB
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I note that you mention Sir Alex/Klopp as examples of teams that do well by not playing possession football. Coincidentally (or not) both of their teams regularly destroy weak opposition. They certainly don’t play rope a dope against cannon fodder as some strange ploy to avoid being so dominant that they lose their match sharpness against top opponents.

On your more general point about possession football not being as successful as counter-attacking football, have you not followed Guardiola’s career?!?

EDIT: Actually, this is madness. This whole discussion is surreal as feck. You’re either winding me up or so caught up in backing the manager you’ve completely lost touch with reality. I’m out.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I'm open to Mourinho changing my view on whether he's good enough. However it won't swing based on the odd few results. I'll base it on the quality of football, development of players and ultimately if I feel he can build a team capable of winning the league with us.
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The quality of the football is directly related to developing players and building a team capable of winning the team. Those all take time and patience.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I note that you mention Sir Alex/Klopp as examples of teams that do well by not playing possession football. Coincidentally (or not) both of their teams regularly destroy weak opposition. They certainly don’t play rope a dope against cannon fodder as some strange ploy to avoid being so dominant that they lose their match sharpness against top opponents.

On your more general point about possession football not being as successful as counter-attacking football, have you not followed Guardiola’s career?!?

EDIT: Actually, this is madness. This whole discuss is surreal as feck. I’m out.
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I think possession football that completely overwhelms lower sides will not help you become as good as you can be. Counter attacking sides who are more adaptable to how they play tend to be the all round package
Its why Peps record away from home in Europe is bordering on below average with all the sides he's managed.
Bayern's great European games pre Pep came when Dortmund pushed them with Klopp in charge. When they have the title won by Christmas they lose that little something, for example.
Its just my opinion. You stop looking for answers to tactical questions when they're never asked of you
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Believe it or not, it’s watching my team score goals that makes my day. The more the better.

At what point did you stop enjoying us put 7 goals past Roma, by the way? Or 8 past Arsenal? Were you too worried about the bruised emotions of the opposition to enjoy anything past the third goal in those routs?
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Couldnt agree more. Is he even serious? I would love to win every game 10-0 if we could
 
manunited1919 said:
The quality of the football is directly related to developing players and building a team capable of winning the team. Those all take time and patience.
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Sometimes they don't happen when a manager doesn't perform. Moyes wouldn't have gotten it right in 6 years.
 
Mainoldo said:
I’m sure your allowed to buy a new keeper if your keeper is clearly sh!t. Sticking with Bravo would have been pure idiocy.
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But then Mourinho wanting new defenders is considered as a blasphemy on here because "He bought Bailly and Lindelof. He HAS TO stick with them."? While Pep gets away with the Bravo disaster with nobody batting an eyelid? It's bizarre how our own supporters give much leeway to Pep/Klopp (City/Liverpool, our most heated rivals) while bashing our own manager at any chance they got. Imagine if Jose lost to those Red Stars like Liverpool last night? He would have a purge going after him immediately...
 
tieunhilang said:
But then Mourinho wanting new defenders is considered as a blasphemy on here because "He bought Bailly and Lindelof. He HAS TO stick with them."? While Pep gets away with the Bravo disaster with nobody batting an eyelid? It's bizarre how our own supporters give much leeway to Pep/Klopp (City/Liverpool, our most heated rivals) while bashing our own manager at any chance they got. Imagine if Jose lost to those Red Stars like Liverpool last night? He would have a purge going after him immediately...
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Those 2 mentioned probably have a better success rate at integrating their buys into regular starters for the team. Mou has mixed results here. His buys that are regular starters don't appear on the face of it to be much better than what we had? Pogba aside.....
 
tieunhilang said:
But then Mourinho wanting new defenders is considered as a blasphemy on here because "He bought Bailly and Lindelof. He HAS TO stick with them."? While Pep gets away with the Bravo disaster with nobody batting an eyelid? It's bizarre how our own supporters give much leeway to Pep/Klopp (City/Liverpool, our most heated rivals) while bashing our own manager at any chance they got. Imagine if Jose lost to those Red Stars like Liverpool last night? He would have a purge going after him immediately...
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Bravo was shit from the beginning though. Bailly was one of the best players in his first season and he showed what he can do. He's just had a loss of confidence. Lindelof is already looking better with more games. I don't agree that we should've bought them both because they're young and they would do better with an experienced defender but they're not shit. they've been mismanaged.
 
tieunhilang said:
But then Mourinho wanting new defenders is considered as a blasphemy on here because "He bought Bailly and Lindelof. He HAS TO stick with them."? While Pep gets away with the Bravo disaster with nobody batting an eyelid? It's bizarre how our own supporters give much leeway to Pep/Klopp (City/Liverpool, our most heated rivals) while bashing our own manager at any chance they got. Imagine if Jose lost to those Red Stars like Liverpool last night? He would have a purge going after him immediately...
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Maybe because there not crap. It’s like having a go out me because I don’t want us to replace Martial. Either way it’s a different argument. The point from Woodward was clear, give us a good defender we will buy him. Give us a standard defender get rid of what you have first. Nothing wrong with that what so ever.
 
Mainoldo said:
Maybe because there not crap. It’s like having a go out me because I don’t want us to replace Martial. Either way it’s a different argument. The point from Woodward was clear, give us a good defender we will buy him. Give us a standard defender get rid of what you have first. Nothing wrong with that what so ever.
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That is basically all made up. For all you know the club had no intention of shelling out cash and the above is just how they managed to make it look. Having to go looking in Jan for a CB.....it's pathetic having not done it all summer. It's a harder market, the best players don't move, you've lost half the season, they need to hit the ground running.....All that is now on Ed the scout! Who's basically took 6 months to act on a request....I wonder if Varane will be coming......
 
RedorDead21 said:
That is basically all made up. For all you know the club had no intention of shelling out cash and the above is just how they managed to make it look. Having to go looking in Jan for a CB.....it's pathetic having not done it all summer. It's a harder market, the best players don't move, you've lost half the season, they need to hit the ground running.....All that is now on Ed the scout! Who's basically took 6 months to act on a request....I wonder if Varane will be coming......
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True 3 years of blowing money fast and £50m on Fred. Woodward the tight arse, wasn’t going to give Jose money.

What does January have to do with anything. What makes you think his stance has changed. If Jose wants a Mina type defender in January Ed is not going to sanction it.
 
Mainoldo said:
True 3 years of blowing money fast and £50m on Fred. Woodward the tight arse, wasn’t going to give Jose money.

What does January have to do with anything. What makes you think his stance has changed. If Jose wants a Mina type defender in January Ed is not going to sanction it.
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Oh wait...if Jose wants Varane it's all systems go? How about Neymar is he preferred by Ed as well over all attacking options....hence we ain't buying until the very cream want to join. Good Strategy. Saves the club millions, Glazers take out their share, you back them for aiming high. HAHAHA
 
tieunhilang said:
But then Mourinho wanting new defenders is considered as a blasphemy on here because "He bought Bailly and Lindelof. He HAS TO stick with them."? While Pep gets away with the Bravo disaster with nobody batting an eyelid? It's bizarre how our own supporters give much leeway to Pep/Klopp (City/Liverpool, our most heated rivals) while bashing our own manager at any chance they got. Imagine if Jose lost to those Red Stars like Liverpool last night? He would have a purge going after him immediately...
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Probably because Bravo cost 13 mill which is a meagre part of a budget whilst Lindelof and Bailly cost 70mill so reduce our spending power for other areas. Also we are lower in the table so there may be a case of "where could we be if our manager was able to identify players who could actually improve our team and acquire them with the substa goal funds available?"
 
RedorDead21 said:
Oh wait...if Jose wants Varane it's all systems go? How about Neymar is he preferred by Ed as well over all attacking options....hence we ain't buying until the very cream want to join. Good Strategy. Saves the club millions, Glazers take out their share, you back them for aiming high. HAHAHA
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If that’s our strategy why did we buy any of our latest signings except Pogba? Stop being dumb.
 
Liverpool initially fail to land VVD for Klopp and sell their best player,what does Klopp do? Got on with it
Spurs who don't sign big budget players in the first players fail to get a single soul for Poch,who have not had a home ground for a season plus,what does Poch do? Gets on with it.
United don't get Jose's 4th defender and 13th(?) player after spending €400m or so without having to sell anyone....Jose fans 'sell the club to the fans,sack the Glazers, bin Woodward,prepare to lose every game, be ready for 6th place because without that defender both our attack and defence and general play is doomed', Jose 'Everton have more ambition'etc. And you wonder why people some of us want him out of here as soon as possible.
 
fellaini's barber said:
Liverpool initially fail to land VVD for Klopp and sell their best player,what does Klopp do? Got on with it
Spurs who don't sign big budget players in the first players fail to get a single soul for Poch,who have not had a home ground for a season plus,what does Poch do? Gets on with it.
United don't get Jose's 4th defender and 13th(?) player after spending €400m or so without having to sell anyone....Jose fans 'sell the club to the fans,sack the Glazers, bin Woodward,prepare to lose every game, be ready for 6th place because without that defender both our attack and defence and general play is doomed', Jose 'Everton have more ambition'etc. And you wonder why people some of us want him out of here as soon as possible.
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Klopp signed VVD the same window they sold Coutinho, so not sure what that point was about. Klopp and Poch have both "got on with it" maybe, got on with winning nothing year after year, and their fans still don't seem to grumble too much. Perhaps Utd fans should follow suit and let Mourinho get on with it in a similar fashion.
 
shaky said:
Klopp signed VVD the same window they sold Coutinho, so not sure what that point was about. Klopp and Poch have both "got on with it" maybe, got on with winning nothing year after year, and their fans still don't seem to grumble too much. Perhaps Utd fans should follow suit and let Mourinho get on with it in a similar fashion.
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Perhaps other managers are told honestly re transfers and not told one thing when the club plan to do another.....pretty sure Pooch was told up front to expect no business... basic really. Someone tells me my car will be replaced soon I might start acting differently.....not taking such good care of it.....not investing in it......turns out I then have to keep it....I'd rather have know that from day one.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Based on how brilliant his first 7 months were and how mediocre a manager he was. How do you know that he would have gotten it right despite seemingly inept - time?
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Whoever replaced SAF was almost certainly going to fail initially, you could have safely put seriously good money on it, plus the game is littered with Managers and players turning it around after slow/poor starts, what's to say he(Moyes)wouldn't have ?

And as for knowing, I don't, but then I haven't posted that he would have go it right.
 
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The problem with United now is they play as strangers. No one knows what to do when they don't have the ball.
How many times do we see two of our players going for the same ball. It's just 10 players thrown on the pitch as if it's the first time they are playing together.
It's up to the individual players to do what they want to do.
Look at other teams. Their players know how to play in the team as a team.
SAF's sides may not be playing champagne football all the time but they usually play as a team.
This is the biggest issue with Jose. Either he doesn't know how to do it or the players can't do it. I find it hard to believe that all international players do not know how to play as a team.
It seems that the only solution is for him to go and get another world class manager who can get this team to play good football.
Is Jose right in saying that he needs better CBs. Of course he is but he needs to get the best out the 5 CBs he has. They may not be world class but are very good international players who play for countries that are good or decent in football.
Only if he can get them to play as a team would he even be close to winning something.
Everyone knows that Mata can't play on the wing yet Jose insists on playing him thete.
Everyone knows our best forwards are Martial, Sanchez and Rashford yet he doesn't like to play them together.
Everyone knows that Matic needs a rest and is a liability yet he plays every game.
Everyone knows that Lukaku should be dropped when he is not playing well but he plays.
In my opinion Jose has had his day. He is not going to take United forward .
 
shaky said:
Klopp signed VVD the same window they sold Coutinho, so not sure what that point was about. Klopp and Poch have both "got on with it" maybe, got on with winning nothing year after year, and their fans still don't seem to grumble too much. Perhaps Utd fans should follow suit and let Mourinho get on with it in a similar fashion.
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Maybe Spurs fans are not grumbling because Poch has not spent €400m yet still play worse football than Derby? And Klopp still got to a CL final after selling his best player instead of throwing a hissy fit and shitting on the club and his current players
 
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Foxbatt said:
The problem with United now is they play as strangers. No one knows what to do when they don't have the ball.
How many times do we see two of our players going for the same ball. It's just 10 players thrown on the pitch as if it's the first time they are playing together.
It's up to the individual players to do what they want to do.
Look at other teams. Their players know how to play in the team as a team.
SAF's sides may not be playing champagne football all the time but they usually play as a team.
This is the biggest issue with Jose. Either he doesn't know how to do it or the players can't do it. I find it hard to believe that all international players do not know how to play as a team.
It seems that the only solution is for him to go and get another world class manager who can get this team to play good football.
Is Jose right in saying that he needs better CBs. Of course he is but he needs to get the best out the 5 CBs he has. They may not be world class but are very good international players who play for countries that are good or decent in football.
Only if he can get them to play as a team would he even be close to winning something.
Everyone knows that Mata can't play on the wing yet Jose insists on playing him thete.
Everyone knows our best forwards are Martial, Sanchez and Rashford yet he doesn't like to play them together.
Everyone knows that Matic needs a rest and is a liability yet he plays every game.
Everyone knows that Lukaku should be dropped when he is not playing well but he plays.
In my opinion Jose has had his day. He is not going to take United forward .
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Maguire will solve all of that!
 
Class of 63 said:
Yes I have, but he's been employed mainly as a firefighter since, and very successfully at West Ham as well, though that has no baring on whether or not given time he would have sorted it out at Manchester United.
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He wasn’t a firefighter at Real Sociedad and was pretty rubbish there. West Ham fans like us just hated his boring clueless tactics and Sunderland he managed to treat United like Everton and give us decent money for our surplus players.

He’s not up to the job of a big club, that’s pretty much clear. I doubt anyone would have blickered an eyelid if he replaced Wenger. Arsenal fan Tv would be booming right now though.
 
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