The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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I think he'll get a 4th season if we finish in the top 4, I hope I'm wrong though. Think it would be best for both parties if he left.

I'm intrigued to see what happens in the upcoming transfer window.
 
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He's steadied the ship in recent weeks in fairness.

Reality is though you lose to Juve again and Valencia beat Young Boys and you're 3rd with two CL games left and lose to City and you're off the pace in the premier league.

Good result today, big week ahead although I don't see him sacked if he loses the next two. Those stories seem to have gone cold if they were even true in the first place.
 
Isn't it both poles?
When we're losing - the anti rise and yell.
When we're winning - the pro rise and shout.

There are many more fans who are somewhere in the middle, or rather -- not in this spectrum at all.

The comparison of the two sides is more pro(rightist) and anti(leftist).
Pro, call a spade a spade and can back their arguments up with facts and want progression in football style as we know despite whatever results we get if we play nice football we have more chance of sustained success.

Anti, use emotions, happy to win without style(short term thinking) and have fickle arguments.
 
My big issue with Mourinho was that he seemed intent on binning off Martial, Shaw and to a lesser extent Pogba. While I understand the desire to stick by your manager, I felt that sticking with him would make things worse.

Whether intentionally or not, the board has played a blinder by refusing to let him buy a left back or ease Martial through the door, and the injuries to Sanchez and Lingard have forced Martial into the time. In fact, the injury to Valencia has ensured Shaw has had a run at left back.

There were a few people on here who laughably tried to claim Shaw and Martial had no talent as some sort of "I support Mourinho more than you" badge of honour, but it has come as no surprise to many to see these two and Pogba as our best players week in, week out, and results improving.

It's very frustrating that we should have been developing this team for 2 years but I don't any longer see a pressing need to change the manager - though nor do I think he's a great fit and nor would I shed a tear if he leaves.

He's finally seemed to realise Mata's importance, and Lukaku's hindrance, and who knows, if he realises that Matic is no longer a great player and that we're a very good side when we attack at pace - and a very average side when we sit back - he might even make a success of it after all.
 
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Isn't it both poles?
When we're losing - the anti rise and yell.
When we're winning - the pro rise and shout.

There are many more fans who are somewhere in the middle, or rather -- not in this spectrum at all.
Well our fortunes changed the moment the team had the players the so called "anti" had wanted to be played all along. But instead of accepting their faults the "pro" crowd are now lying through their teeth that Martial needed 2 fecking years to get his supposed role in the team.
 
My big issue with Mourinho was that he seemed intent on binning off Martial, Shaw and to a lesser extent Pogba. While I understand the desire to stick by your manager, I felt that sticking with him would make things worse.

Whether intentionally or not, the board has played a blinder by refusing to let him buy a left back or ease Martial through the door, and the injuries to Sanchez and Lingard have forced Martial into the time. In fact, the injury to Valencia has ensured Shaw has had a run at left back.

There were a few people on here who laughably tried to claim Shaw and Martial had no talent as some sort of "I support Mourinho more than you" badge of honour, but it has come as no surprise to many to see these two and Pogba as our best players week in, week out, and results improving.

It's very frustrating that we should have been developing this team for 2 years but I don't any longer see a pressing need to change the manager - though nor do I think he's a great fit and nor would I shed a tear if he leaves.

He's finally seemed to realise Mata's importance, and Lukaku's hindrance, and who knows, if he realises that Matic is no longer a great player and that we're a very good side when we attack at pace - and a very average side when we sit back - he might even make a success of it after all.

Good post. Also adding in him finally realising Lukaku isn't quite as essential upfront as he was claiming e.g. you've won two premier league games and had good passages of play without him.

Frustration for Man. United fans is it's taken him three months to make some of these decisions.
 
Good post. Also adding in him finally realising Lukaku isn't quite as essential upfront as he was claiming e.g. you've won two Premier League games and had good passages of play without him.

Frustration for Man. United fans is it's taken him three months to make some of these decisions.
All the good goals scored in recent games have zero Lukaku involvement. It says it all really.
 
Miles offside, Mane.

Why is Steve Mcmanaman commentating on a Liverpool game? While we're on the subject of ex-Liverpool players spouting rubbish, why are so many of them pundits and or commentators?
 
Miles offside, Mane.

Why is Steve Mcmanaman commentating on a Liverpool game? While we're on the subject of ex-Liverpool players spouting rubbish, why are so many of them pundits and or commentators?

I know we’re pretty crap but no need to rub in a good game of football in this thread lol.
 
We're 6/9 points off the top after what, 10/12 games played? Wtf is this negativity shi7?

All of us don't want Jose here, or want him to change his fecking approach and actually attack teams (even if we don't have the players to do that, but for the argument's sake and forum user satisfaction, let's say it is possible), but you must realize that the team's best chance for a top4 finish until the end of the season is sticking with the guy already in charge. :)
We're 7th going on 8th depending on results. Not good enough.

What's finishing top 4 going to help us? Its just gping to lead to another season of poor football and mediocre results.
 
Watching Arsenal vs Liverpool now, both team play entertaining attacking football. The passing and understanding in their teams are top notch. Compared to our players who look like they never play together and can't string two passes together. Both Liverpool and Arsenal also have much less resources than us.

This should tell you everything you need to know whether Jose stay or go.
 
My big issue with Mourinho was that he seemed intent on binning off Martial, Shaw and to a lesser extent Pogba. While I understand the desire to stick by your manager, I felt that sticking with him would make things worse.

Whether intentionally or not, the board has played a blinder by refusing to let him buy a left back or ease Martial through the door, and the injuries to Sanchez and Lingard have forced Martial into the time. In fact, the injury to Valencia has ensured Shaw has had a run at left back.

There were a few people on here who laughably tried to claim Shaw and Martial had no talent as some sort of "I support Mourinho more than you" badge of honour, but it has come as no surprise to many to see these two and Pogba as our best players week in, week out, and results improving.

It's very frustrating that we should have been developing this team for 2 years but I don't any longer see a pressing need to change the manager - though nor do I think he's a great fit and nor would I shed a tear if he leaves.

He's finally seemed to realise Mata's importance, and Lukaku's hindrance, and who knows, if he realises that Matic is no longer a great player and that we're a very good side when we attack at pace - and a very average side when we sit back - he might even make a success of it after all.

Like LVG before him they'll do the right thing only when they run out of options. Let's hope he sees the light with Perreira,the poor bastard. McT should never play ahead of him and I don't really see what makes Matic so indispensable either
 
I don't get this comment. Most posters just want what is best for the club whether that's with Jose or not. If anything it's the pro-jose posters who are the 'I told you so types' who care more about being right.

There is a clear contingent among 'Jose-out' that want him gone no matter what happens just because they dislike him. It's so obvious that many posters have straight out said that they don't like him and insult him on the forum. And there is also a clear contingent among 'Jose-out' that don't give a toss about whats best for the club and just want to be entertained.

I can only think of one poster that is obsessive about being pro-Jose and thats CA1. On the other hand I can name many posters that have regularly admitted that the reason why they want him sacked is entertainment.

I'm neither by the way. If we sack Mourinho and get a good manager in I'm all for it, but if we somehow turn things around then I don't mind him staying.
 
There is a clear contingent among 'Jose-out' that want him gone no matter what happens just because they dislike him. It's so obvious that many posters have straight out said that they don't like him and insult him on the forum.

And there is also a clear contingent among 'Jose-out' that don't give a toss about whats best for the club and just want to be entertained.

I can only think of one poster that is obsessive about being pro-Jose and thats CA1. On the other hand I can name many posters that have regularly admitted that their interest is not about the club doing well but about them being entertained.
Just for clarity, are you arguing that the entertainment factor has no value whatsoever to you?
 
Just for clarity, are you arguing that the entertainment factor has no value whatsoever to you?

No, I wouldnt watch if I wasn't entertained. But my definition of entertainment is attached to team performance, whereas it's obvious it isn't for many Jose-out. Many Jose-out have an ideological problem with him, they can't be entertained by throwing the kitchen sink in the last 10 minutes and scoring a late winner because that means we didn't dominate the game and win by a few goals.

Its very obvious to see when we win a hard fought game. There are swathes of people lamenting how we were shite for a period of the game, how the football was crap and such. There is a minority in the Jose-out that even want us to lose games to get him sacked.
 
We're 7th going on 8th depending on results. Not good enough.

What's finishing top 4 going to help us? Its just gping to lead to another season of poor football and mediocre results.

Saturday, 3 November 2018.

Just for clarity, are you arguing that the entertainment factor has no value whatsoever to you?

Our last 3 matches have included 2 last minute comeback wins. Doesn't get more entertaining really.

:lol: he won today and a flurry of complaints.

Just pity such people. Half of them watch games as if they are performance analysts not fans. Its incredibly sad. The last 4 league games have been great entertainment and the results have matched.
 
Our last 3 matches have included 2 last minute comeback wins. Doesn't get more entertaining really.

Exactly this, if you can't be entertained by games like Newcastle then you must have never watched us play for the last 20 years.

So many times we get completely outplayed by crap teams, only for us to throw the kitchen sink and make a comeback. Comebacks are one of the most entertaining things about football.
 
The comparison of the two sides is more pro(rightist) and anti(leftist).
Pro, call a spade a spade and can back their arguments up with facts and want progression in football style as we know despite whatever results we get if we play nice football we have more chance of sustained success.

Anti, use emotions, happy to win without style(short term thinking) and have fickle arguments.


I've had to reread this post multiple times and I'm still baffled, how can keeping Mourinho been seen as wanting progression in Football.
While it's the Mourinho backers that are more than happy to play shite football for results and continue to back when the results have been appalling.
This was our worst start to the season in the Premier League era.

It's purely opinionated, for me the only valid argument for backing Mourinho now is to let him go in the summer and hope he gets top 4.
Mourinho is a short term manager my friend, that is a fact.
 
Looking at Unai Emery. I would take him in a heartbeat over Jose right now. He's passionate, He's got an attacking style of football, he knows the market and has bought a couple of class players for good money. He's exactly the type of manager that we are missing out on due to woody being clueless at the football side of things.
 
There is a clear contingent among 'Jose-out' that want him gone no matter what happens just because they dislike him. It's so obvious that many posters have straight out said that they don't like him and insult him on the forum. And there is also a clear contingent among 'Jose-out' that don't give a toss about whats best for the club and just want to be entertained.

I can only think of one poster that is obsessive about being pro-Jose and thats CA1. On the other hand I can name many posters that have regularly admitted that the reason why they want him sacked is entertainment.

I'm neither by the way. If we sack Mourinho and get a good manager in I'm all for it, but if we somehow turn things around then I don't mind him staying.

He's done more than enough to get sacked in my view and people are entitled their views, their are plenty of hardcore Jose defenders lets be honest here.
I know people didn't want him due to the style but also because he's actually a bit of a cnut.
Never at fault.
His pokey Eyey, his treatment of Eva and many more.

I backed him when he came, even fell for the complete horseshite that was 'It'll be different here, he wants to manage Utd and make something that could rival Fergi's tenure'
But not only has the football been horrendous at times but the results have hit rockbottom this season.
He's managed to stabilise it, although lets be honest here most of this seasons start was his doing.
And for that reason, he can stay for all I care till the end of the season unless he has another meltdown in Jan when he doesn't get his way by trying to swap Martial for Willian again. Hopefully he gets top 4, maybe secure the FA Cup but he needs to go in the summer and this club needs to start planning long term.

As currently we're Arsenal, on the way to becoming Liverpool without a doubt.
 
Yep and back him in the transfer window. He said we needed at least one CB. Any disagreements?

Completely disagree, need to plan long term and Mourinho is everything but long term, lasted 4 seasons once. Sacked in September and that was a Jose that would shite on the one we have.
Plus, one CB is not going to fix our issues. The team isn't attacking anywhere near as well, the Midfield are getting regularly out played by practically every team and the defence.. well
 
I enjoyed todays game, i don't get the complaints

Probably because spells like the one today that even Jose described as a disaster seems to happen almost every game. Credit the team for turning it round, but it’s still worrying that we seem unable to start a match with a game plan that we then go out and execute successfully.
 
I've had to reread this post multiple times and I'm still baffled, how can keeping Mourinho been seen as wanting progression in Football.
While it's the Mourinho backers that are more than happy to play shite football for results and continue to back when the results have been appalling.
This was our worst start to the season in the Premier League era.

It's purely opinionated, for me the only valid argument for backing Mourinho now is to let him go in the summer and hope he gets top 4.
Mourinho is a short term manager my friend, that is a fact.


Pro = Ousting Mourinho
Anti = Against sacking him
 
I wonder why Emery has only needed ten games to outplay Liverpool at home with a team considered spineless.
I thought managers needed 3 years and 100s of millions to get to that point
 
I wonder why Emery has only needed ten games to outplay Liverpool at home with a team considered spineless.
I thought managers needed 3 years and 100s of millions to get to that point
I don't mean to be rude, but i believe you didn't watch the game, or know the result.
They drew 1:1. He's outplayed nobody.
 
Again I would argue that he has already bought 2 who are not good enough. I wouldnt let him sign another until he sells at least two.
Not so sure either were bought as first choice. A world class centre back costs a lot more than £35m. We do need to get shut of at least 2 probably 3.
 
Our football has been more entertaining in increased spells even in the games we failed to get the desired results, there has been a clear attempt at changing the way we play, Jose has been saying all the right things about the players and his comments show that he is actually not instructing the team to play poorly or defensively in the first half; and the players all seem to be happy recently.

If we keep going this way, why would anyone want Jose fired?
 
Again I would argue that he has already bought 2 who are not good enough. I wouldnt let him sign another until he sells at least two.

I'd argue he's built enough goodwill in his managerial career to know good players when he sees one. Regardless if he bought 2 who aren't good enough just yet. Every managers make errors here and there.
 
No, I wouldnt watch if I wasn't entertained. But my definition of entertainment is attached to team performance, whereas it's obvious it isn't for many Jose-out. Many Jose-out have an ideological problem with him, they can't be entertained by throwing the kitchen sink in the last 10 minutes and scoring a late winner because that means we didn't dominate the game and win by a few goals.

Its very obvious to see when we win a hard fought game. There are swathes of people lamenting how we were shite for a period of the game, how the football was crap and such. There is a minority in the Jose-out that even want us to lose games to get him sacked.

Yeah, that's fair.

After two seasons and a bit under Mourinho, I would definitely count myself as part of the crowd that has an ideological problem with the way he approaches football. That said, I do believe most people who want him out, simply want him gone because they've lost faith in his capability to take us back to the top. I doubt there are many who wouldn't want him to lead us to the big trophies, simply because they disagree with his approach.

Our last 3 matches have included 2 last minute comeback wins. Doesn't get more entertaining really.

I don't disagree that there's entertainment value in comeback wins, but that's neither here nor there with regards to why I asked him the question.
 
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