How much does the pressure increase if we fail to beat Everton on Sunday? Could he leave if we draw/lose?
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Pogba will take a picture with Richarlison smiling and all will be forgotten.
We are 10th/11th? We'd be what after a loss - 15th? Would have to go. Completely unacceptable. He should be going now, today. Feck knows what the club is waiting for.
No chance a loss this weekend would finish him.
The idea of us winning even three games in a row at the moment sounds like fantasy to me.
The idea of us winning even three games in a row at the moment sounds like fantasy to me.
The powers that be at Utd have already given up on this season, as we are told sacking manager isn’t going to achieve anything and there are no viable candidates, so thats what most fans have already.
But nobody can tell me that replacing Jose with even Carrick/Mckenna isn’t going to lift the mood at OT and at least make fans look forward to going to games! Ok we may not ultimately achieve anything but that alone should be worth making the chance then accepting the current situation with no achievement at the end of the season?
But nobody can tell me that replacing Jose with even Carrick/Mckenna isn’t going to lift the mood at OT and at least make fans look forward to going to games! Ok we may not ultimately achieve anything but that alone should be worth making the chance then accepting the current situation with no achievement at the end of the season?
No lowest we can go is 12th if we lose. Yeah completely unacceptable, we still have negative goal difference after 1/4th of the league campaign.
Don't think so. It's like the Newcastle game totally wiped the slate clean and we have to go through another run of poor games to build the pressure again. Juve is the first one. He won't go anywhere until at least City and the next international break.
I'd have several Sky Bet Championship managers over Jose as things stand. Everytime I watch Leeds and Derby play, I get more enjoyment from their football than ours. And they've got worse players than we do but they've got managers that want to control the game, enjoy the ball and attack.
Why the actual feck is Mourinho still manager? It's mind boggling.
On the flip side, a win could put us withing 4 of Spurs should they lose to City as expected.
And a week later another win could put us 1-3 points off the pack.
You, and others do realise that Carrick and McKenna are part of Jose's staff and therefore part of the current issues?
I'm not going to slate or blame them for the issues but they are part of the coaching team which many posters here believe doesn't do any coaching.
We reshuffled our backroom staff in the summer, promoting McKenna and hiring Carrick as a coach to replace Rui Daria so maybe we should ask ourselves what impact that has had on the team.
If of course, you think neither the first team coach or the assistant coach are heavily involved in first team training, then I have one hell of a bridge to sell you.
And a week later another win could put us 1-3 points off the pack.
You, and others do realise that Carrick and McKenna are part of Jose's staff and therefore part of the current issues?
I'm not going to slate or blame them for the issues but they are part of the coaching team which many posters here believe doesn't do any coaching.
We reshuffled our backroom staff in the summer, promoting McKenna and hiring Carrick as a coach to replace Rui Daria so maybe we should ask ourselves what impact that has had on the team.
If of course, you think neither the first team coach or the assistant coach are heavily involved in first team training, then I have one hell of a bridge to sell you.
Yay let's get the champagne out!
I don't care if we're level on points with Spurs, is that the barometer to measure Jose's progress? We could be top of the league joined with City, our football would still be tumescent and defensive.
It's not just about results. The fans want to enjoy watching United again. We don't want the off field dramas. We want a consistent first 11. We want to be entertained for feck sake!
I'd take an 8th place finish if we were going out and giving teams something to think about and that we could see progress. But there is NO PROGRESS! The football is dire. Jose doesn't care, he knows he's gone end of season.
The excuses must stop. Bayern and Real Madrid will act fast, we need to start doing the same.
It’s easier said than done. I think all of us, including the Mou diehards, want the best for the club. I can’t just stop watching the matches or reading about every little report about the team. My wife said I used to be happy watching United games. Now it’s just all a chore or a bad habit I can’t break.
And a win the week after that could put us even closer, and a win the week after that could put us to the top of the table, and a win every week for the remainder of the season will see us break all records.
Back in reality we're more likely to drop further behind those teams as the season progresses.
You are a bit of a masochist aren’t you mate...
It's just very hard to get excited by us winning games when there's nothing to play for, and chances are those wins will be tumescent horrid affairs.
It increases every game we don’t win but he is nowhere near being sacked and one resul won’t change that.
If we are in a similar position after the City game and get knocked out of champions league I still think he would keep his job. As with Moyes and LVG I think the intention will be to sit it out and hope there is a miraculous turnaround or we qualify for champions league via the Europa league.
Unlike most top clubs there is such an emphasis on the manager at United and they give him so much power that I think they find it too overwhelming to take any action.
We've become a dull, lifeless nothing football team, and it's sad that this has been allowed. There should be an emphasis on attack and flair from within, as you see at the other elite clubs.
If we were level on points with Spurs right now, we would be 2 points off the top. You would probably care. You care we are 9 points off the top, so...
And it is about results. Football is about results. Results provide emotion. Anyone who claims they would rather finish 10th and play football thats nice on the eye instead of doing what it takes to finish 1st is talking boll*cks. Also, no side has a consistent first 11, football is a squad game and rotation is key.
Well, yes, but one game at a time eh? We have a 7 point gap to the top 4 which is our first priority. The sooner we can make up that gap, the better.
Well by winning games, we make something to play for.
I respectfully disagree. I’ve put up with 2.5 years of Jose’s sh*t-on-a-stick style of football. I hate it and I want big changes at the club that starts with the manager.
He would have been high risk but then again sometimes you need to take risks? Arsenal did and now they are reaping the rewards. I’m still all for a caretaker manager till the end of the season and I reckon Wenger would be perfect and I never thought I’d hear myself saying that!
For those bigging up the topred away fans chanting for Jose. I have one sentence for you to consider:
"Every single one of us will stand with David Moyes"
"Every single one of us will stand with David Moyes"
Those are Marcelo Lippi's words yet some Caf experts keep insisting most here don't know what we are talking about.
1 Win in 7.
I feel nussing…
Mourinho is getting by on shitty positive results right when he needs them. It happened with Newcastle and it'll happen again, and even people on here will still eat it up.
Why is everyone complaining in Jose's thread for him to be sacked? Shouldn't it happen in the Ed woodward thread? It's not like Jose could fire himself.
But we're not level on points with Spurs, we're some 7 points adrift of them. Which kind of makes your point moot.
You're right, football is essentially all about results and they do indeed provide a reaction. The results have been terrible so far this season (our worst start since the inception of the premier league) and the fans have rightfully reacted in a negative manner. Three years in charge of the club, £400 million spent in the transfer market and the team look no further progressed than it did under LVG.
Are we supposed to believe it will all magically come together? Based on what exactly?
I find it genuinely baffling as to how Jose still has support among the fanbase.
all 5 teams have 23p 23p, 21,21,21, unbelieveble. We have spent hundreds of milions since fergie left and have 14p.
No but he could do the honourable thing and resign.
It doesn't matter. We'd be no worse with any generic EPL manager.
No human how ever bad he is in his job just walks away from free money. What's the use of the board then?
The lowest we can go this weekend is 12th. It's crazy as a United fan even contemplating going 12th in the league and wondering if the manager would be sacked. He should be sacked for having us in 10th place. It's totally unacceptable.
Absolutely unacceptable. I want some of what Ed and the rest of the board, plus some of our ex players are smoking. I could do with a good dose of delusion right now to take my mind off my problems, so they can send their drug my way.
Cannot believe they think he deserves more time. Never in his history has Mourinho turned anything around, why on earth would he start now? Are they really happy seeing us play like underdogs? Especially our ex players who supposedly love the club so much. Why would they advocate giving him more time? Madness.
How he gets away with playing this ‘brand’ of football is absolutely beyond me. There’s literally zero enjoyment in watching us anymore. That Juve performance reminded me of some plucky underdogs trying to get a draw against the big boys. Except it was an extremely extensively assembled Man Utd team playing at Old Trafford. Pathetic.
Signs were there from Sevilla last season.
Mind you, the thought had crossed my mind that he was resorting to 'cowardly' football when he was at Chelsea in his last spell. Remember that game against a 10 man PSG?
Spot on from the WC and CL winning legend,anyone who actually cares about the club and football feels the same
You can get away with dogshit football for a while if you're winning games and trophies. We won nothing last season and we've won 1 of the last 7, so it's not even getting us results.
We're having to watch awful football every week and then at the end it's a shit result. It's the worst of both worlds.
To start with, its not our worst start. 2004/5, 9 played... 14 points. We started the season with 1 win in 6 league games and would rack up only 4 by mid November. A thread regarding the Arsenal game of that season reminded me just how poor a start we had that season. We saw as low as 11th. I guarantee fans like you were screaming "get this man out of our club". The reality was we were in the middle of a rebuild and another side was blowing everyone else away financially. Seem familiar? Many comparisons can be made with that season and now.
Jose still has supporters because people look beyond a handful of games and do not want the club to transform into Chelsea. Not now, not ever. If you want to sack managers after every bad run, and do not come with the utter garbage that its been like this for 2 and a bit years, it hasn't, then thats your choice. I am more patient and see the bigger picture.
We have a new coaching set up and are short in a number of key positions. Irrespective of who is manager, this will need to be addressed and seeing as Jose happens to be the current manager, I am happy to see if he can address them.
Had the club listened to fans like you and the others here in 1990, 2005 and today, we would be nowhere. You can deny it all you like, posters here show their true colours as soon as theirs a blip.
In 2014/15 we had 13 points after 9 games also. Theres a pattern here of certain posters just making stuff up to push their agenda. Be it how much we've spent to claims of the worst United side ever assembled. I will give the benefit of the doubt as assume people are taking the medias word for it and are unwilling to check anything for themselves.
Back to 2005, the comparisons are clear. We had two promising attackers still finding their feat, the defence was lacking something, it just wasn't coming together. We had quality, no question, just as we do now, and just as back then, we are a few pieces away from getting it right. It took the greatest manager of all time 3 years to get it right with some odd and highly questionably problems along the way. Jose is a few pieces away from getting it right too. I think he really needs to hire a proper assistant for one thing, his experiment with 2 young, inexperienced but promising coaches hasn't worked out so far. He also needs the key areas addressing in the squad. Hes made mistakes, his signings haven't all hit the ground running, nor did they back then. The football is also similar, the results are similar, the fact we lost to the best Italian side by a mile and were outclassed is similar. I am reminded of arguing with Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal fans back then that United would become a more dominant force than they had been, Ronaldo would be the best player in the world, Rooney was the best English player in a generation and would be a legend. All laughed at. Fergie was just getting started, United were building something special and all we needed to do was wait and see.
I have a similar feeling now. That were just a step away, but its going to take a little more time.
It may be worth going back to that period to gain some perspective of whats happening now, for you and for others.
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How exactly can people not contemplate United being 12th? We've been lower in more recent seasons, and even in our peak years, have seen the 10th or worse when we have won the league.
I am happy for him to leave the club but you are basically saying he is a Championship level manager? He won the PL less than 4 years ago.
I get that people are sick of the crap football but the ridiculous lack of respect for everything he has achieved is ridiculous.
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