We were so pathetic tonight, never looked close to winning at all it's really sad to see how far we have fallen. A plus I suppose we can take out of it we are probably only another loss away from Mourinho being sacked and at least then the rebuild can properly begin with the right person in charge.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Mourinho is a coward. He should go, it's obvious. I'd rather lose 3:0 and try to play football, than offer that shit on a stick week in, week out.
We need to move on with the times. Mourinho clearly hasn't. His tired and tested methods aren't working, and we're making football seem like joyless painstakingly hard work.
A coward and a fraud. He needs to be sacked now but Ed will wait till he sets us back further.
Anyone know if that's worse than anything under LVG or Moyes? Feels like it. 1 win in 7!!!
Genuinely have no idea what Ed et al are waiting for at this stage.
His £50m summer signing on the bench, unused.
So sick of the narrative that José does or doesn't do things to "prove a point to the board" - the only points he continually proves is that his tactics (or complete lack of them) are redundant.
Sick of the lack of pundits (Rio, Scholes etc al) willing to call time on him, citing his track record as a reason to keep him on. Newsflash, Roger Bannister used to be the fastest man on the planet - he isn't anymore. Things change, time moves on and it's long past time our club moved on from this toxic, negstive, self-obsessed ass of a man.... And still the Stretford End sings his name. The mind boggles.
So sick of the narrative that José does or doesn't do things to "prove a point to the board" - the only points he continually proves is that his tactics (or complete lack of them) are redundant.
Sick of the lack of pundits (Rio, Scholes etc al) willing to call time on him, citing his track record as a reason to keep him on. Newsflash, Roger Bannister used to be the fastest man on the planet - he isn't anymore. Things change, time moves on and it's long past time our club moved on from this toxic, negstive, self-obsessed ass of a man.... And still the Stretford End sings his name. The mind boggles.
Can't wait to see who he signs in the January window and then resigns to the bench. Exciting stuff.
The league (title) is long gone and top 4 is near enough gone as well so my only saving grace this season was by some miracle fluking a few results in the Champions League. That obviously isn't gonna happen so we may as well can this manager and season and use it to prepare for next season rather than wait till the summer and give the new manager/players less time to prepare.
Last game make two unnecessary subs. This game, no sub.
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I have nussing to say
I think the biggest issue with Mourinho at United is the lack of belief that he has in the players he has to manage and the fact that he believes that he is not backed in the market to the extent he wanted. This has led him to be cautious, moody and at times demotivated. Thats why he has to go. We need somebody who comes in and instills some confidence in the players and takes some risks. Even though we don’t have the players that a team like Juventus posses, I want the united manager to have and instill the confidence that they can out and beat any opponent if they play to their potential.
That said, we also need to upgrade in crucial areas of the pitch including a CB, a RB (Dalot should be given a chance), RW and CF.
That said, we also need to upgrade in crucial areas of the pitch including a CB, a RB (Dalot should be given a chance), RW and CF.
Jose doesn't trust the team enough to let us off the leach for the whole game. He tries to keep the game within touching distance in the first half and tries to nick a goal from somewhere in the second half. Problem with that it most probably backfires for us since our attack is ridiculous combined with some poor defending. This is how he operates and only time i saw him open the gates for us was against spurs at home where we attacked for the whole game and lost 3-0. I think that had a severe impact on Mourinho.
He needs to go, but it's not just him. Something stinks at the club. We're more content to be selling noodle sponsorships than winning football matches.
And then, in 15 years time when kids in Asia and the States have grown up and are fully fledged Man City and Liverpool fans, and United are no longer the attractive "brand" to sponsor, the Glazers will up and sell.
And then, in 15 years time when kids in Asia and the States have grown up and are fully fledged Man City and Liverpool fans, and United are no longer the attractive "brand" to sponsor, the Glazers will up and sell.
All noodles but no pots.
Mourinho needs to go. If not for anything , just for the drab style of football we play. Watching united for the past 3 years has been so hard. Even wolves play better than united and they don’t have the quality we do. Arsenal don’t have our quality but look at the great football the play. Our so called bad defenders will walk into the arsenal squad , especially Bailly.
We’d be fine. Liverpool haven’t won a league for more than a quarter of a century yet have a big fanbase.
The issue is the board seems to lack any direction or balls on what to do. Keeping Mourinho because we beat Newcastle who are the worst team in the league was moronic.
Dragging this on is just ruining the season. We still have a lot to play for. Giving him another month and we won’t. People think qualification is secure in champions league, well it isn’t. We will go to Valencia with intention of getting a point and end up losing. The top four seems to be escaping us every week. A few more draws and losses, we won’t be catching Arsenal or Spurs.
These performances and results are just not a surprise anymore. The gulf in class is huge. I'm sure United will have spent a lot more on both purchases of players and salaries. This is mostly Mourinho's squad.
Allegri(a manager some on here have called similar to Mourinho) and his Juventus team looked like Pep's Barcelona against us the 1st half.
A team that rarely(if ever) monopolizes the ball that much and completely dominates the game vs big teams. In fact, I don't think Juventus have had a 1st half that good against a big team ever in the past decade or so.
And we made them look twice as good as they are.
Mourinho is completely washed.
A team that rarely(if ever) monopolizes the ball that much and completely dominates the game vs big teams. In fact, I don't think Juventus have had a 1st half that good against a big team ever in the past decade or so.
And we made them look twice as good as they are.
Mourinho is completely washed.
He's a fecking coward, simple as. Gulf in class? Liverpool beat PSG with a midfield of Wijnaldum, Milner and Henderson, where was the gulf in class there? Hell, even Pouchetinno beat Madrid at home last season. If we played the way we did away from home then I would understand the tactics. But at OT? Disgraceful.
If Mourinho was given the squad of Liverpool or Spurs against PSG/Real Madrid he would hide in a corner with his hands on his head, he shows absolutely no fight whatsoever and his defeatist attitude before games is plauging the squad. I've been saying that he should still stay here if he manages the top 4 but honestly, after yesterday, he should be gone. He will never win anything of note with the type of mentality he has and will continue to embarrass United, and our players, with his pathetic tactics and lowblow comments about the club and players.
Give this same squad to Klopp or Poch and you'l see a marked difference in how they perform. We may not win the title, but atleast we'l make ourselves proud of the effort. I just cannot feel proud about this club at all with Mourinho here. Felt sick watching him accept defeat even before the match.
If Mourinho was given the squad of Liverpool or Spurs against PSG/Real Madrid he would hide in a corner with his hands on his head, he shows absolutely no fight whatsoever and his defeatist attitude before games is plauging the squad. I've been saying that he should still stay here if he manages the top 4 but honestly, after yesterday, he should be gone. He will never win anything of note with the type of mentality he has and will continue to embarrass United, and our players, with his pathetic tactics and lowblow comments about the club and players.
Give this same squad to Klopp or Poch and you'l see a marked difference in how they perform. We may not win the title, but atleast we'l make ourselves proud of the effort. I just cannot feel proud about this club at all with Mourinho here. Felt sick watching him accept defeat even before the match.
And yet in the second half when we had a go - the gulf didn’t look that big and Allegri kind of went into cautious mode himself putting many men back and even taking his best player off.
Just shows how much a manager can make a difference and make up for that so called gulf by giving team a positive mindset and proper playing platform. Wonder why we always seem to go into first half of games with our heads down and completely clueless and cowardly - manager simple as that.
The big sulk is sucking the life out of the club and players. The players only react when they have to.
Juve looked very ordinary in the second half. We just stood off them in the first half like we did against Newcastle and so many other teams. We have this habit of making any team look like Barcelona with these cowardly starts. The crowd had to demand they stand up like men about 35-40 mins in.
Top four just doesn't look possible they way Jose is acting up but seems like the club will just let him phone it in until we can cheaply cut him loose.
Juve looked very ordinary in the second half. We just stood off them in the first half like we did against Newcastle and so many other teams. We have this habit of making any team look like Barcelona with these cowardly starts. The crowd had to demand they stand up like men about 35-40 mins in.
Top four just doesn't look possible they way Jose is acting up but seems like the club will just let him phone it in until we can cheaply cut him loose.
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I don't think there is a huge gulf in class between the two sides. It's mostly the tactics we used which were responsible for our shoddy showing for about 2/3rd's of the game. We sat off them like some relegation fodder and totally allowed them to control the game in the first half. I don't know where people find those heat or position maps, but I am sure if someone posted it for the first half it'll show how far back both Rahsford & Martial were positioned. Lukaku was completely isolated for most of the game. I didn't see one instance where we had players ready to pounce on second balls generated because of our hoofs to Lukaku. It was only in the second half that we decided to push our back line forward & get more control of the game. It worked too to some extent, but unfortunately wasn't enough to earn us a point.
The gap that existed between Bayern/Real/Barca/Real & the rest has narrowed down quite a bit, imo. In fact, I believe this will be one of the most open Champions league campaign in years. There is no real stand out team in the competition right now. All top teams have issues.
Five years ago when Fergie retired, I was a huge proponent of Jose being the manager to replace Fergie. With Jose back then we would have kept our winning ways before a renewal and transition.
The past 18 months, there has been a gradual buildup in disappointment and loss of faith in him. He seemed to have changed in his approach.
The Seville match last season was a killer for me but last night -- the lack of ambition to try and change the result is the nail in the coffin. He used to be brilliant in getting results -- or making match side decisions to change the result.
WTF was leaving Matic the entire match when we could have injected some dynamism and urgency with Fred or Perriera or both into the match to try and get a result.
The match was like groundhog day.
Jose has lost the plot. I suspect he wanted to leave the same 11 players on the pitch to show the Board that they need to buy in the coming January window or an 'I told you so' for not buying in the Summer.
50million quid player sitting on the bench cant change the course of the match or at least contribute?
I am angry at the Board on how we have been flailing away at various choices and I am most disappointed at Jose -- I am not sure what has happened to him. Not the manager we first knew sliding down pitchside many years ago.
The past 18 months, there has been a gradual buildup in disappointment and loss of faith in him. He seemed to have changed in his approach.
The Seville match last season was a killer for me but last night -- the lack of ambition to try and change the result is the nail in the coffin. He used to be brilliant in getting results -- or making match side decisions to change the result.
WTF was leaving Matic the entire match when we could have injected some dynamism and urgency with Fred or Perriera or both into the match to try and get a result.
The match was like groundhog day.
Jose has lost the plot. I suspect he wanted to leave the same 11 players on the pitch to show the Board that they need to buy in the coming January window or an 'I told you so' for not buying in the Summer.
50million quid player sitting on the bench cant change the course of the match or at least contribute?
I am angry at the Board on how we have been flailing away at various choices and I am most disappointed at Jose -- I am not sure what has happened to him. Not the manager we first knew sliding down pitchside many years ago.
His comments about a lack of quality in the utd team is demoralising to his players. Wtf!
He seems to be making big issues about things and then making team selections and changes that prove his point. It really does feel like he is playing with utds future in proving it isn't his fault.
He seems to be making big issues about things and then making team selections and changes that prove his point. It really does feel like he is playing with utds future in proving it isn't his fault.
#Jardim4Interim
Jose Mourinho who flops after three years, is unbearably negative and sucks the fun out of football?
Mate this is the same Jose there has always been.
To put it bluntly, Mourinho tries to lower the club’s expectations to the level of his achievements, instead of raising his achievements to meet the club’s expectations.
He has to go. ASAP.
He has to go. ASAP.
I disagree. I remember how his Chelski teams were so difficult teams to play against during Fergie's time. His pitchside decisions were fantastic. Game changers either changing the tactics/shape or putting in the right players at the right time.
Last night, doing feck-all was different for Jose like there was an agenda.
I can only echo your opinion.
I honestly do think José could get this team playing if he wanted to - he just prefers to play in a reactive manner which just isn't suited here. This isn't about not having the players to be proactive; he will be reactive regardless. Constantly going into games - regardless of the opposition - with the mindset of hoping to nick a goal and see out the storm is clearly not working yet he persists with it no matter how good the signs have been when we've actually attacked.
Honestly, I don't know how people can say the players aren't good enough. When we've set up to attack, which is usually after we've gone a goal or two down due to José's initial tactics, we've outplayed Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, etc. Heck, I've seen us go toe-to-toe with Pep's City (again, usually after already going behind due to José's awful tactics) numerous times under José and we've looked alright. I remember in his first match here against Pep, we were outplayed in the first half, brought Herrera on in the 2nd half, went for it and pinned them back. Last year at Old Trafford, after going a goal down due to parking the bus (Martial and Rashford were pretty much FBs), we attacked them and got a goal back right away. They looked very nervy at the back. What do we do after? Yep, we went straight back to parking the bus. Last year, 2-0 down with nothing to lose, we went for it and beat them 3-2.
There's so many more examples of us going behind, switching to attack mode, and looking so much better for it yet we're still this rubbish reactive side. Also, the odd game in his first year where we did attack from the get go (many of those ended in draws if you remember) we actually looked really good and it made me - someone who never wanted José here - optimistic about the future under him.
I believe, if he wanted to, we could be so much better under him but he is set in his ways, which is fair enough as it's hard to change after nearly two decades of managing, but his style just isn't suited to Manchester United. Especially when we have a decent team despite what some would have you believe. Yeah, it's not a great squad, and we do need improvements, but it is capable of so much more than what's currently being shown.
People saying the bench wouldn't make a difference, they may have done, but we never found out because the manager gave in.And his best position is as an AM.
but Mourinho has hardly used him.
I can start on a rant...but I wont.
Woodward wont fire him until we are out of the cups and officially out of the top 4.
At this rate it will be in early Spring. [EDIT: perhaps January]
Someone mentioned Jardim. If not Mckenna and Carrick.
This is torture.
My heart sank when I sat there listening to that. So we have a big lump up front, so Plan B is another big lump, actually a slightly better one who would likely do a better job than Plan A.
I couldn't believe what I was listening to. He actually came out with that. I gave up then and went to bed.
I wonder how he is going to build the confidence of those bench players for when he might actually need them?Like @kouroux said I believe - even bringing on Herrera could've made a difference. His ability to win the ball back is great, and having him in midfield could've given our attackers the platform to be more fluid because they know that - if we did lose possession - we'd have Herrera there who can not only win the ball back better than anyone in our squad, he covers so much ground, too.
I said this in my post above but we did that against City in José's first match against him here. We were outclassed the first half, brought Herrera on and gained total control. Against a Pep Guardiola side! I still think he should be our first choice DM.
I had him down as needing more time but, having listened to him defend himself by deliberately draining the confidence of our players and demeaning the status of our club, I've decded that his time is up and I've changed my vote to reflect that. He's a prize clown and he's turned our club into a circus.
Gary talks a good game. If anything Phil is proving himself as a better coach.
No fecking substitutes in a match that you're losing!!I can't fecking believe this joker.He sat in the dugout happy to accept that rubbish.What has he been building towards for the last 2 and a half seasons?
Even when we tried and I use that term loosely he had the chance to swap a couple of players around even just to freshen things up and keep the energy levels up but this idiot just sat there with that stupid smug look on his face preparing his post match excuses.
Sack him before the damage runs too deep.It would be the perfect Christmas present for me.
Even when we tried and I use that term loosely he had the chance to swap a couple of players around even just to freshen things up and keep the energy levels up but this idiot just sat there with that stupid smug look on his face preparing his post match excuses.
Sack him before the damage runs too deep.It would be the perfect Christmas present for me.
How do you pronounce that? Needs a few more vowels.
How on earth does he expect Fred to get used to the PL if he doesn't play him? Yet he persists with Matic, when Fred, Herrera or Pereira could do the same job and actually bring a bit of energy to the side.
Can we bite the bullet and sack him already. It is not getting better, thats our level. The occasional win against shit teams wont help, we are not West Brom
I wish someone in the media had the balls to call his fraud out during a press conference! Mourinho keeps whining about how we need to spend loads of money to compete with the likes of Juve yet fails to mention we've got the third most expensive squad in the world, he's spent 100's of millions on the likes of (Bailly, Fred, Sanchez etc) yet doesn't even play them! Pathetic!
The whole "it wouldn't have changed anything" does my head in. So we're just supposed to accept it and make no attempt to impact the game ? Herrera, Perreira, Fred or even Chong would have changed something or not, we were losing anyway.
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