Sunday match v Burnley is a big match now for Mourinho. Last one before international break. Even a draw would be a bad result as if the rest of the pack all win their games we will be looking at being 8-9 points behind already.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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I'm with him until the end of the season. I'll decide if I continue to support him based on where we finish and what we win then.
Right now, I don't understand the Mourinho out crowd. Even if you do want him out, who are you going to replace him? All the top managers have already picked their clubs and getting Zidane now, even if it is an option, is an incredibly risky one as Zidane would have to work with these players we have now rather than buy the ones he would want. And these players we have now, I'm sorry, but are complete trash. Our defense needs a total revamp (with the exception of Shaw).
Right now, I don't understand the Mourinho out crowd. Even if you do want him out, who are you going to replace him? All the top managers have already picked their clubs and getting Zidane now, even if it is an option, is an incredibly risky one as Zidane would have to work with these players we have now rather than buy the ones he would want. And these players we have now, I'm sorry, but are complete trash. Our defense needs a total revamp (with the exception of Shaw).
Its ironic that in demanding respect, Mourinho disrespected the other 19 premier league managers.
Agree with most of your post and even though I’m on the fence (slightly leaning toward Mou out), I sympathise with Mou in respect of the ridiculous conduct from Ed and the Board this summer. Yes I get all the arguments about the board reining him in on spending and demanding that he develop what he has etc. But to so publicly not back him then effectively making him a lame duck renders the whole situaiton untenable. If Mou goes, then Ed should go too insofar as football decisions are concerned.
That said, Mou does not help himself with his toxic short termism and narcissistic behaviour. He just wears people out. It’s clear that he isn’t going to change and the board will not back him to the extent he wants. Either way we will see a manager change after this season I suspect.
I think there are still 108 points up for grabs for us in the league. This team will settle down and they will gel. If we sack him now we are the same as all the others that sack managers when things dont go well. Jose can play attacking football (we have seen it at Chelsea and Real) he just needs to have a solid defence first, thats his priority and to be fair the attackers should be converting more goals. I think if we do get though this period we will be stronger for it and will be a force to reckon with next season. Unfortunatly, the way football is these days I think he could crack soon. Jose is not blameless but he is learning still. Its annoying because even the press are trying to wind him up so they get their big story. He needs to chill and do what he does. I also wonder if he even wanted Pogba and sanchez or these kind of marquee signings are forced upon whoever is the united manager. You have to admit they really affect the balance of the team these high wages and egos. Jose IN I say!
I'm still with Mourinho. The team has played well in many spurts but has yet too put it together as a whole. I will say that if the defensive performances do not improve then I will start to question the direction that the team is heading. Defense is the one thing that is a pillar of his play, and while it hasn't been good so far this year; it cannot get any worse.
He is the best manager to continue the process and the best manager available.
He is the best manager to continue the process and the best manager available.
People are just resorting to all sort of explanations but I think its pretty simple. Playing for the manager or not, players revolting or not,even if we do our very best and play our hearts out, we're still shite. It really is that simple. Issue is, with the players we have and the money we spend, we should be waaaaay better
Its the board and ed. They should of backed him or sacked him this summer. One day people will realise what leeches the glazers are sucking this club dry.
If it's a case of a few players suffering a loss of form/WC hangover, then we should be able to turn things around by Christmas. The pre-season was dismal and more than a couple of players were not fully-fit for the big kick-off. Sacking Jose now would be a mistake and counter-productive. Who would step into the manager's job? Poch wouldn't jump ship. Zidane is available but would he come? If Jose is going to leave at season's end, I hope they've got his successor lined up already.
It’s funny how Shaw went from a pariah (I’m not saying you said it but most said he has been a bust) to stalwart defender. Sometimes I really want Mou gone but like you I think we need to roll with him this season barring a major implosion. The key thing for me is that Ed needs to wake the eff up and back Mou and buy a CB in the winter (tall order as the market will be so thin). Bailly is a project we should continue to work on. Feels so sorry for Victor but he is just too weak to play in the prem. Keep Smalling and get rid of Jones and Rojo.
I'm backing the manager for now. He's won throphys with us and there's no other top manager available that I would want. I just hope the first half yesterday was a sign of things to come.
If we don't get top 4 then it wouldn't be good enough. I'm hoping we can manage that, which I think would be fair to keep Jose for, because we didn't get the players badly needed.
I think he deserves to see the season out and he should be expected to get top 4. Also I think sacking him now will be both crass and a bit of a poisoned chalice for whoever takes over mid-season.
He finished ahead of Arsenal and Tottenham last season. The former are a worse squad with a new manager and the latter had an even worse summer than us by signing no one. So he should still be finishing above them and in the top 4 if he's to be getting the basic results out of the squad.
Come next summer, we'll have to re-evaluate depending on how the season goes and perhaps also on who's available if we were to sack Mourinho. I have a feeling the relationship with the board is strained and I don't ever recall a manager surviving that in the long run.
He finished ahead of Arsenal and Tottenham last season. The former are a worse squad with a new manager and the latter had an even worse summer than us by signing no one. So he should still be finishing above them and in the top 4 if he's to be getting the basic results out of the squad.
Come next summer, we'll have to re-evaluate depending on how the season goes and perhaps also on who's available if we were to sack Mourinho. I have a feeling the relationship with the board is strained and I don't ever recall a manager surviving that in the long run.
I like this thread 
I also think the criticism of United is weird. The press have taken pains to point out time and time again how lucky we are & how poorly we are playing so why are they so shocked that we lost to a good team. City beat Liverpool 5-0 last season...
I think both us and Spurs are a similar level and a mix of terrible finishing + bad defending was the difference. Chasing the game we were picked off so 0-3 is flattering as the stats show.
I also think the criticism of United is weird. The press have taken pains to point out time and time again how lucky we are & how poorly we are playing so why are they so shocked that we lost to a good team. City beat Liverpool 5-0 last season...
I think both us and Spurs are a similar level and a mix of terrible finishing + bad defending was the difference. Chasing the game we were picked off so 0-3 is flattering as the stats show.
We all were told that eventually Jose melts down, falls out with players, press and it all crumbles. Usually in the 3rd season.
We sort of ignored that and thought we'll be ok.
Roll on, and Pogba, Martial, Sanchez are all massive issues, there's no flow in attack.
The defence suddenly looks ropey as heck, with the two centre backs he bought In looking disastrous.
We have the board stopping him buying who he wanted!
That last point, mixed with the Pogba and Martial situations looks to have brought this to a head now.
For the first time I think we're a couple more bad results off a decision being made.
No-one can say the flow of the team looks right, and no-one can see a vision of play like how Liverpool have developed.
I heard one fan ranting on the way out about how Giggs should have had a chance!
We sort of ignored that and thought we'll be ok.
Roll on, and Pogba, Martial, Sanchez are all massive issues, there's no flow in attack.
The defence suddenly looks ropey as heck, with the two centre backs he bought In looking disastrous.
We have the board stopping him buying who he wanted!
That last point, mixed with the Pogba and Martial situations looks to have brought this to a head now.
For the first time I think we're a couple more bad results off a decision being made.
No-one can say the flow of the team looks right, and no-one can see a vision of play like how Liverpool have developed.
I heard one fan ranting on the way out about how Giggs should have had a chance!
United need a first team coach, not a manager.
Anyone thinks that he was saying his advance goodbyes and clapping to the crowd in case he's being sack during the week? He normally wouldn't do that and would walk straight into the tunnel with a glum face after a defeat, but yesterday was all different. He was clearly getting quite emotional while he stood there clapping
Seeing him make something of this season and winning a trophy, specifically seeing his reaction towards the press/ his celebrations would be a sight to behold.
Wouldn’t be suprised if he brought a bottle of wine into the press conference and drunk it in silence, chuckling at the reporters.
Wouldn’t be suprised if he brought a bottle of wine into the press conference and drunk it in silence, chuckling at the reporters.
Wait until Jose is no longer here. Then we will see the bottom of the iceberg that most of us are ignoring or failing to see.
He wants everybody to look at him so that everyone else can work relaxed, he managed to shift the attention once the season started onto himself but let's not forget what happened in pre-season, all he had to say in order to push the board/chairman or whoever is in charge of this club, to make signings and in the end, all that moaning and asking, was fruitless as he was left with a squad he knew wasn't good enough because that same board thinks that we should be looking at "superstars" when the reality of Manchester United is that we've always focused on bringing either potential or ready made players that would improve the starting XI. I don't remember a lot of world class signings in the Ferguson, the one I remember the most was Veron, and he wasn't that great here at all.
He wants everybody to look at him so that everyone else can work relaxed, he managed to shift the attention once the season started onto himself but let's not forget what happened in pre-season, all he had to say in order to push the board/chairman or whoever is in charge of this club, to make signings and in the end, all that moaning and asking, was fruitless as he was left with a squad he knew wasn't good enough because that same board thinks that we should be looking at "superstars" when the reality of Manchester United is that we've always focused on bringing either potential or ready made players that would improve the starting XI. I don't remember a lot of world class signings in the Ferguson, the one I remember the most was Veron, and he wasn't that great here at all.
#JoseIn!!!!! look at the man, the manager, the arrogance, the desire to be here and to win here. i would not exchange him for any manager right now.
I was one of the many fans that overreacted to yesterdays match and wanted Jose out. After settling down and looking back at the match, we got what we've been asking for from Jose. The 1st half was pressing, attacking football against a top team. We dominated the match and had it not been for bad finishing we should have been ahead at the half. A lot of discussion about Herrera and Matic playing in that back 3, but it was very effective. It took the pressure off our CB from having to distribute the ball. Jose got the tactics right, if we're expecting him to account for CB mistakes and bad finishing then no manager will ever live up to our expectations.
Brilliant post.
In moments like this every second of your day is busy thinking about whether it would get better. Jose is one of the best managers in the world and if he can't do it who can? Everyone compares him to Fergie. His record against Fergie was amazing.
If he needs anything right now. It's the fans! He needs us to stand up and support him. Support the team. This 3rd season wonder really makes me angry. We can fire Jose, get another manager and win a trophy and then the players can play badly and blame the manger again and again. Another Chelsea story. We are United. The manager is bigger then these players. If their are players causing problems. Get them out and back our manager.
If we want Jose to be as successful at this great club like Fergie was we need to support him through the good and the bad.
As for the style of football. How can you attack when you don't have a defence. Last season he had to protect the back 4 to get results and was seen as playing negative football. I truly believe that once Jose gets a strong back 4 he will open up.
Jose in!!!!
I would love this too... Only if he handed in his notice the day after though.
I'm backing Jose. Slaphead should to. Then we will get results.
Highly doubtful. Goals change games & we actually looked pretty decent I thought. Sounds like you’re just anti Jose no matter the circumstances if you can’t accept scoring that easy chance changes the game dramatically.
It was actually our best game so far. It’s not saying much but the scoreline doesn’t reflect the feeling from the match. We deserved to lose but we were a little unlucky too.
Definitely Mourinho in.
Has he made mistakes? Yes of course. But I still believe in him. The match against Tottenham represents a good starting point for how he can change the way we play and I hope he sticks with this style moving forward.
Just because the result doesn't go our way doesn't mean we down tools and sack the manager, we're supposed to be above that being Manchester United.
Has he made mistakes? Yes of course. But I still believe in him. The match against Tottenham represents a good starting point for how he can change the way we play and I hope he sticks with this style moving forward.
Just because the result doesn't go our way doesn't mean we down tools and sack the manager, we're supposed to be above that being Manchester United.
Is there a "Mourinho Shake It All About" thread?
I never had that impression and found it strange it was so widespread among the fanbase. Mourinho's approach to the game was never going to sit happily with the core Utd fans. His style of play and unwillingness to develop young players, the desire to always play the underdog role.
Very promising to see several caf members come out supporting our performance against spurs. We shipped in 3 goals but the chances were there, the desire was there and result could've been in our favor on a different day. We wanted Jose to play high octane football, well we got that. Not perfect but remember this was mustered up in a week. This is going to expose a lot of our flaws since many of the players are not good enough but hopefully people could recognize the change and tend support instead of just criticizing.
Think he will be gone if we are adrift off the top 4 after the Holiday fixtures.
Several players are not even match fit or ready for the season yet.
The Spurs match was the best of the 3 so far in terms of how we set up and played. We just did not finish off the chances and made too many individual mistakes.
Our overall problem is the midfield. That is what we need to get right.
Whether we support him or not the decision will be made come early Jan one way or another.
Still very much supporting him. However, anything less than a 2nd place finish he’s unfortunately gone - unless of course he wins the CL. A 2nd place finish is now even harder than ever due to a much stronger Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea.
The board basically gave a big feck off to Mourinho saying they don't want Alderweireld or Willian. They are all money people so it was based purely on them having no resale value.
I'm not jose in or out, the situation is far too complicated for that sort of view. Whether he leaves or not we'll have a tough ride because the board decided to keep the manager and not get the players he wanted that were for sale. You could call me 'Jose out' but its what I believe is most likely and not my opinion on him. If I were to have my way I would have backed him in the market to provide a platform for a title challenge.
I'm not jose in or out, the situation is far too complicated for that sort of view. Whether he leaves or not we'll have a tough ride because the board decided to keep the manager and not get the players he wanted that were for sale. You could call me 'Jose out' but its what I believe is most likely and not my opinion on him. If I were to have my way I would have backed him in the market to provide a platform for a title challenge.
I'm backing the manager.
I want the owners out.
I want the owners out.
Mourinho seldom does anything that isn't pre-meditated and it was a show of defiance for the cameras, but it was a good move.
The atmosphere inside OT, for the most part, was really good. If we're to stand any chance of stemming the tide, we need a siege mentality and the fans are a part of that. Mourinho has always enjoyed a healthy relationship with the Stretford End and it's encouraging to see them return the favour by standing by him.
We're teetering a bit here and things could very quickly head south, but with enough will on the part of Mourinho, the players and fans, we can lift the gloom.
Same. I’m with Jose with this one.
Although I would like to see him improve the players he has also. But I don’t think it’s his fault they keep making mistakes. Our squad needs to grow some balls really.
We need to improve offensively. I think he’s taken the steps to improve personally with appointing some new coaches but his players have let him down. The heart is there from the players, but obviously the ability is missing. Defence has been an absolute shambles these first two games - they’re organised but just making individual mistakes. I do think that the last week is unfortunate however and we will improve but 6 points is an awful lot to make up this early in the season and it’s definately not ideal.
Yes. Allot of people are just blinded by their desired outcome that they will go as far to ignore the fact that the game will not be an exact replica after the goal where spurs will do exactly the same and we would do exactly the same.
Had the misfortune to have lunch with a pool, spurs and Arsenal fan today and they spurs fan after talking shite but after being reminded that we can't just ignore every chance United had and talk about only the spurs chances eventually concededd the thought they were going to lose after the first half. Banter is one thing but lets get it right.
I found it amazing how the one player who Jose has belittled at every opportunity was miles ahead of everybody last night.
First half I was pleasantly surprised and thought this could go well, but every time a big chance was missed, I KNEW we would be punished for it later. I was expecting a response from Spurs, given how unhappy Poch was with their performance at HT but I never once saw what came. I wasn't even angry, just in a state of total shock.
I started to doubt Jose after the Sevilla game. Those doubts were only worsened after I went to the West Brom game. Yes I know it was a dead rubber game and the title had long since gone, but that was an absolute disgrace of a performance.
I voted Jose out on the poll and I have no regrets in doing so. It is patently obvious that he has literally no idea about how to set up his team nor does he have a clear vision. The biggest thing that irked me last night was him bringing that useless lump of shit on, instead of bringing on Rashford. When has Fellaini ever changed the game for us?
The thing that frustrates me is we were playing fantastic football at the start of last season. Something clearly went on after the City game because our football hasn't been quite the same since. Could it be the arrival of Sanchez?
I also question why he chose to play Herrera in that position? Had we won the game it would have been lauded by people but it was only to make a point to Woodward. What I don't understand is why one of the best defences in the league last season, is suddenly deemed as not fit for purpose overnight?
The players aren't blame free, neither is Woodward or the other directors. But for me, Jose won't ever change his ways, won't ever promote or back youth so I think his race has run. I think whoever comes in next will likely have the same problem too.
Should we lose to Burnley, which is a distinct possibility, we will be in the bottom 3.
First half I was pleasantly surprised and thought this could go well, but every time a big chance was missed, I KNEW we would be punished for it later. I was expecting a response from Spurs, given how unhappy Poch was with their performance at HT but I never once saw what came. I wasn't even angry, just in a state of total shock.
I started to doubt Jose after the Sevilla game. Those doubts were only worsened after I went to the West Brom game. Yes I know it was a dead rubber game and the title had long since gone, but that was an absolute disgrace of a performance.
I voted Jose out on the poll and I have no regrets in doing so. It is patently obvious that he has literally no idea about how to set up his team nor does he have a clear vision. The biggest thing that irked me last night was him bringing that useless lump of shit on, instead of bringing on Rashford. When has Fellaini ever changed the game for us?
The thing that frustrates me is we were playing fantastic football at the start of last season. Something clearly went on after the City game because our football hasn't been quite the same since. Could it be the arrival of Sanchez?
I also question why he chose to play Herrera in that position? Had we won the game it would have been lauded by people but it was only to make a point to Woodward. What I don't understand is why one of the best defences in the league last season, is suddenly deemed as not fit for purpose overnight?
The players aren't blame free, neither is Woodward or the other directors. But for me, Jose won't ever change his ways, won't ever promote or back youth so I think his race has run. I think whoever comes in next will likely have the same problem too.
Should we lose to Burnley, which is a distinct possibility, we will be in the bottom 3.
Just pure success was what alot of our fans wanted - for some of us; success only is a good feeling that lasts one season; but a style of play and certain types of players leads to a more long lasting type of happyness which relates to longer lasting success.
For sure Willian might have made us win an FA cup- ultimately that's not the reason I watch United. I get jelous of players like alexander arnorld coming through for Liverpool and having a great season with liverpool - although they did not win anything; the football they played made everyone feel like they were on the up - now with better players and more of an investment; they look stronger.
Buying Willian and matic and so on is Jose's style - utlimately its would not really make a difference to how we play; just even more efficient than it is. Whilst the last two games have beeen poor - i'd argue we are way too efficient in general and lack a proper attacking capability; players in a game plan/tactic that can raise above the norm when everyone cannot. Willian is not that is just another provider for Lukaku; another ex player - round and round; Jose trying to create Chelsea 3.0 at United.
Absolutely cant stand him - I don't want him to treat this club like underdogs just because thats his way of management and getting the best out of players so damn quickly.
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