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People legit acting like Aldereweild or other CB would have been the difference
It felt like we were so close this summer. 2nd place, 81 points, just one more summer of investment could have seen:
De Gea
Sidibe - Bailly - Alderweireld - Sandro(/Shaw?)
Fred - Matic - Pogba
Someone - Lukaku - Sanchez
You don't need to be the proven world class manager that Jose is to do big things with that 11.
What a time to pull the plug.
I see a Mourinho out thread on here and I want to create a little home for the minority on the Caf with an opposite thread.
I don't think our situation will be rectified by sacking Jose and bringing in whoever else. I think that's seeing what's wrong with the club as being just about Jose first and foremost. It's ignoring the obvious progress we've made and wanting to start on a fourth project in just over 5 years. He's already shown he can win things. City are away from the pack clearly, they've got a brilliant manager and a squad groomed for him plus finances to improve at will. But compared to everyone else, Jose has shown - whatever you think about the style (which in my view has always been flexible mainly down to adapting to each game, sometimes appalling player's form) - he can win more games and finish higher up the table. And that with a squad that is lacking some serious balance which none of the other top teams lack.
Look at the game tonight. He makes loads of changes with some players who haven't played yet this season and he's gone with a team he trusts best. And it was evident in how we approached that first half. Loads of energy and top commitment. In the end, that scoreline flatters Spurs, though we started to crumble at the back once we got sucker punched with their second.
Those players looked to me like they were playing for the manager. And the player he's been most hard on has responded with his best United performance to date. Shaw looked better tonight than I'd first hoped he'd become.
We have Jones slipping up marking Kane, Smalling making a hash of things against Moura and Lindelof committing the worst mistake, spared total embarrassment by Dave (who reportedly has been made some derisory contract offer). Jose wanted to buy a first class centre back, think he was onto something?
We had loads of crosses in the game in great positions but they all lacked quality. That's way too often been the case, for such a long time. Jose wanted a winger, think he was onto something?
We are as totally reliant on Lukaku as Spurs are on Kane, but the difference is only one is clinical and ours isn't. 3 sitters missed in 3 games this season. Apparently Jose wanted a backup striker. If he did, he was onto something.
Every manager makes misjudgments in the market, but at the top clubs it varies quite a lot if you can afford one or two misjudgements or not. And Spurs, Liverpool and City have been building in the same direction now for years when we've had 3 different managers. I imagine a new manager will have a short-term positive effect on the morale (if Ed gets help with the decision) and then find the same problems we have with the squad now in terms of lack of quality, lack of balance and different levels of professionalism. Offering no guarantee that they'd do better, or even as well, as Jose has. And not getting the funds to really compete for major trophies.
I'm backing Jose.
Central defence is definitely our Achilles heel at the moment, that's beyond doubt. A solid defence would make the world of difference to this team.People legit acting like Aldereweild or other CB would have been the difference
Dont you know that you cant playing decent attacking football against relegation fodder like Brighton or Leicester at Old Trafford without Mahrez or Vardy in the starting 11 unless you have a world class centerback partnership???People legit acting like Aldereweild or other CB would have been the difference
Thanks. Happy to agree to disagree!
Dont you know that you cant playing decent attacking football against relegation fodder like Brighton or Leicester at Old Trafford without Mahrez or Vardy in the starting 11 unless you have a world class centerback partnership???
Or now suddenly the centerbacks who over the past 5 years have one of the best defensive records in the league are the reason we are losing 3-0 and looking shambolic. I'm not saying they are perfect or even good enough, I'd sell them all and start from scratch, but a good coach should be able to make them perform decently and you should be able to see the coaches impact on the team (in a positive fashion).
I don't think he waits for the prices to rise.. Nor do we have to look for players City are looking for. Getting Evans instead of Jones or Smalling would be just silly.Ok Johnny a bad suggestion I admit but City were happy to offer close to 20 million for him about 9 months ago and he's done a hell of a lot more in the game than Smalling and Jones in the past couple of years. But Maguire at 14 million a year ago = Jose no interest. But put that price up to 85 million a year later and Jose will crawl on his hands and knees to touch Eds feet to beg
Central defence is definitely our Achilles heel at the moment, that's beyond doubt. A solid defence would make the world of difference to this team.
Come on now. We're three games in, after finishing second last season. Let's hang fire and see if Jose can put this right.Annoying that he's still in the job today.
I've never really liked Mourinho and didn't want him to become our manager. Don't like his demenaor and style of play Not a great fan of the way the club has been run in the last few years and then kind of signings we've made.
But having said all that yesterday watching him stand alone and applaud the Stretford End shifted something in me. It's quite possible that it was all a show by Jose for the cameras but I still saw determination in the man's eyes. Another reason I think it was genuine was his lashing out at the press after the match, if he was playing for the cameras he wouldn't have had a kind of meltdown.
I think what we are seeing are genuine emotions from him. He has the determination to turn it around but he just doesn't know how at the moment. We lambast our players for not caring enough and not showing enough determination, let's not turn our back on our manager when he still has that bit of fire in him.
We are not gonna win the league this season and the worst that's gonna happen is we don't qualify for the CL, but we've already shown that we can still attract top players and managers even without CL. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm in the Mourinho In camp. Let's give the guy a chance to turn it around and see if he still has that something special left in him.
There's a serious flaw with that logic; the assumption is that each year the results should be better than the previous (in terms of table position, cup progress, etc.), but that's not necessarily the case. The Spurs and City have gone up and down the table over the years and arrived where they are today, for example.
I don't know what it is about today's match, but for some reason I felt optimistic afterwards. There was something in the air.
Not in the last 5 years.United is at its best when the vultures are circling and everyone is out for its blood. Hopefully, this is the United that comes out next week and beyond. We needed a catalyst to jump-start the season. And maybe this is it.
Adding more pressure and making big changes in mid-turmoil is not going to help anyone. We need to de-stress. Players and the club need to know that we have their backs. Not many people respond well or rise to to the challenge when their own supporters are baying with anger. It's still early in the season. Give them time to sort it out. If they don't, well then there other options...But not now.
Agreed. We shouldn’t get rid before we have a clear option in place, which won’t be before the season is finished.We could lose to Burnley and he won't be sacked. Sacking him isn't going to fix things. No point in not supporting him and the players, it's not going to get better anytime soon though.
Agreed. We shouldn’t get rid before we have a clear option in place, which won’t be before the season is finished.
If we're having the sack the manager conversation, we should be having the sack half the squad, the board, the CEO, and owners too. Because this shit show is so much bigger and deeper than Jose Mourinho.
People wanted him out when he finished 2nd last year and it’s just a continuation of that with the added pressure of the summer and a poor start so far. It’s not as simple as you or others like to make it look by saying things like, “oh it’s a disgrace after 3 games people want him sacked” people want him sacked after the 140 or so games they’ve seen.Refuse all you want it's the harsh truth, you're turning on a manager who just finished second because of a 3 game bad start. A manager the players are evidently still behind.
The first defence on here is always "its not just the exact reason this thread was created". It's boring and transparent.
Totally agree with this and even Neville and Carragher said it before the season started. It's bizarre to just give up on the Mourinho project when we finished 2nd last season and clearly needed a few top players to close the gap on City and try to win the title this season. Mourinho just has way more ambition than Woodward and our board. That lot are happy with a side that can get top four finishes every season while Mourinho wants to build title winning sides.He’s been backed into a corner by an accountant.
Woodward should have had a sack thread first.
You don’t back the manager of a building project then not get him the materials that he’s requested.
Our defence is shite and the rest of the team is nervous because of it. We played Smalling and Jones who were getting flak from fans when SAF was in charge.
I think this is the end, by sack or walkout, but the majority of the blame should go on Woodward.