The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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I don't know why he retreats to his shell.

We looked like the better team and could have scored 1 more on Chelsea, but we ditched all of that to just sit back and defend.

It doesn't work with the group of players we have clearly.
 
We sat back, but had numerous breaks that ended badly, final ball not good enough. We were wasteful, so it's not like there were no chances for us to add a 3rd.
 
Reddy Rederson said:
That’s not at all how it works. But hey, sure let’s bin Sanchez since he’s out of form. Let’s never play him ever again. Insat, martial played like shit for awhile as well, should bin that guy too. Luke Shaw was fecking dreadful for a spell as well, best get shot of him. Remember de gea? Remember how shit he was at the start of his United career? What about SAF? What about anyone that’s ever played, or managed the game?
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Why do you cherry pick these players who turned up well rather than use other examples. Like do we still persist with rojo, Jones, darmian? If players are shit or past their peak, that’s it, we have to move on. Just because we give time to someone doesn’t mean they will turn out better. The same goes for the manager.

But that’s not the argument you were having. You claimed his set up couldn’t work. It was pointed out to you that it in fact did work elsewhere. But we should ignore that because we’ve had a bad start to the season? Because the gutter press what’s to sell papers with drama? Nah, mate. Sorry, I don’t buy into the brand of bullshit. Form comes and goes, there’s good times and bad times. And unless the players stop playing for him, hes more than earned the right to try to turn things around. Enough with the drama, United isn’t a soap opera or reality show. A lot of people need to stop treating it as one.
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To what extent? How long are we going to have to wait for it to atleast see a semblance of what and how it works?. We are into the third year with him and there is absolutely no coherence or any sort of style in play. We get dominated by championship quality sides time and again.

Its nothing to do with the media perception, atleast for me. Most fans expect a standard from the clubs they support and he doesn’t satisfy those standards for many in here. It just boils down to what your expectations are.
If you are happy with what you are seeing, good for you. Me and many aren’t.
 
WensleyMU said:
8 years, 6 major titles (2 League, 3 Domestic Cups, 1 EL). And I would argue he takes on tougher jobs than some of his fellow managers, jobs where there is work to be done, we're success isn't a given.

You and other seem to be implying, badly, that hes done nothing in 8 years (8 of course as it conveniently knocks off the treble he won 8 years and 5 months ago). Had he worked at Bayern or PSG, perhaps Celtic or another club where winning the title is all but guaranteed, then sure, his numbers would be boosted.
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Nobody is denying his past achievements. I am arguing why should his past achievements matter to his current position.

That’s the sort of same argument arsenal fans used to defend wenger.

What your past achievements do is, just add a bit more of time for you to turn it around. But, atleast to me, Jose has gone beyond that time. I see no semblance of a plan from him over his tenure to indicate that we are going on the right direction.

And I have said multiple times in this thread and elsewhere, he is not the sole reason for that. But whatever the changes we need at the club or in players, we need a change in manager as well.
 
bleedred said:
Why do you cherry pick these players who turned up well rather than use other examples. Like do we still persist with rojo, Jones, darmian? If players are shit or past their peak, that’s it, we have to move on. Just because we give time to someone doesn’t mean they will turn out better. The same goes for the manager.



To what extent? How long are we going to have to wait for it to atleast see a semblance of what and how it works?. We are into the third year with him and there is absolutely no coherence or any sort of style in play. We get dominated by championship quality sides time and again.

Its nothing to do with the media perception, atleast for me. Most fans expect a standard from the clubs they support and he doesn’t satisfy those standards for many in here. It just boils down to what your expectations are.
If you are happy with what you are seeing, good for you. Me and many aren’t.
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Jesus, dude. I wasn’t cherry picking, I was giving examples of why you’re knee jerk reaction sacking plan is silly. It’s october, not the end of the season. We won 3 cups in his first season, and came 2nd to over performing city team last year. So far off to a bad start, but the players are clearly still playing for him.

You and the other you mention are gonna have to accept that there is no quick fix. Sacking Jose isn’t going to do anything but set us back, again. As you said, we have some defenders that need moved on. Who tried to get more defenders in so that could happen? Who stopped it? Sacking Jose isn’t going to solve anything. There’s far too many problems here and sacki yet another manager will do nothing but set us back and once again paper over the real issues.

Maybe Jose does need to go. But it’s not now, and sure as shit isn’t because we’ve had a bad start to the season.
 
Karappa said:
What I don't get is how someone can actually believe a coach at a big club would get 3 or 4 transfer windows to make a difference, that's TWO seasons. Dream on, Barca fanboi. It's 3 or 4 games in today's world at best...

Nothing about this is small mentality, I'm going by facts today, not how much he spent 2 or 3 summers ago, that money is gone. What I saw yesterday was a United team seconds away from winning at one of the teams most hyped this season in the league. And one of the players who is supposed on his way out and not on speaking terms with Mourinho making a huge difference. When will people realize the media is making stuff up, the truth is what happens on the field and there the team seems to be turning things around. But I guess even if that happens people would say it was despite Mourinho...
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Barca fanboi? We won the CL in the Camp Nou in 99 or weren't you aware?
 
Reddy Rederson said:
Jesus, dude. I wasn’t cherry picking, I was giving examples of why you’re knee jerk reaction sacking plan is silly.
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Sacking someone into their third season and not having a semblance of how to setup their team isn’t knee jerk.

It’s october, not the end of the season.
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Yeah, we heard it before.

“It’s just preseason.” “It’s just three games”.

I mean you say it’s just October and at this point all we are playing for is a top 4 position. How is that acceptable for a club of our standards.

Are people really that naive/red tinted to think we will pose a title challenge or UCL?


We won 3 cups in his first season, and came 2nd to over performing city team last year. So far off to a bad start, but the players are clearly still playing for
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This is the lowest yet. To count CS as a trophy to defend him. Maybe we shouldn’t have sacked Moyes, after all he won a trophy on his first game!

You keep saying it’s just a bad start, at what point, in your opinion does it become a bad/sackable season. Say we were near 8-10 around Christmas, would you still be saying “it’s just half a season, he ll turn it around”? A honest question?

You and the other you mention are gonna have to accept that there is no quick fix.
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Read my other posts in this thread. It’s quite the opposite. I know there is no quick fix, it’s going to be a slow process and sacking Jose will be the first step in a long set of structural changes needed at the club.

Sacking Jose isn’t going to do anything but set us back, again. As you said, we have some defenders that need moved on. Who tried to get more defenders in so that could happen? Who stopped it? Sacking Jose isn’t going to solve anything. There’s far too many problems here and sacki yet another manager will do nothing but set us back and once again paper over the real issues.
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Is it not going to set us back if we crash out of top 4? We could possibly our best 3 players. Is that not going to set us back.

Yes,Jose is trying to fix things. But I don’t want him to be the one to fix things. Say he buys 2 cbs in January, we don’t still make top 4, he is sacked. What if the new manager doesn’t want these cbs and wants someone else.

Like I said before, there are lot of structural changes needed at the club and in my opinion, if Jose is part of those changes, it won’t work.

Maybe Jose does need to go. But it’s not now, and sure as shit isn’t because we’ve had a bad start to the season.
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Again, same question. In your opinion, when does it start from being a bad start to a shit season.
 
bleedred said:
Sacking someone into their third season and not having a semblance of how to setup their team isn’t knee jerk.



Yeah, we heard it before.

“It’s just preseason.” “It’s just three games”.

I mean you say it’s just October and at this point all we are playing for is a top 4 position. How is that acceptable for a club of our standards.

Are people really that naive/red tinted to think we will pose a title challenge or UCL?




This is the lowest yet. To count CS as a trophy to defend him. Maybe we shouldn’t have sacked Moyes, after all he won a trophy on his first game!

You keep saying it’s just a bad start, at what point, in your opinion does it become a bad/sackable season. Say we were near 8-10 around Christmas, would you still be saying “it’s just half a season, he ll turn it around”? A honest question?



Read my other posts in this thread. It’s quite the opposite. I know there is no quick fix, it’s going to be a slow process and sacking Jose will be the first step in a long set of structural changes needed at the club.



Is it not going to set us back if we crash out of top 4? We could possibly our best 3 players. Is that not going to set us back.

Yes,Jose is trying to fix things. But I don’t want him to be the one to fix things. Say he buys 2 cbs in January, we don’t still make top 4, he is sacked. What if the new manager doesn’t want these cbs and wants someone else.

Like I said before, there are lot of structural changes needed at the club and in my opinion, if Jose is part of those changes, it won’t work.



Again, same question. In your opinion, when does it start from being a bad start to a shit season.
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CS being worth a feck or not, isn’t the point. The point is he won it as well as those other two you haven’t mentioned. Let me guess, those two cups aren’t worth anything either right? And in case you weren’t paying attention, moyes wasn’t sacked until he couldn’t make the champions league. Neither was lvg. Exactly what makes you think the guy that’s actually won shit and got us into second place isn’t going to be measured by the same yard stick?

How can he set up a team when most of them aren’t good enough, as you yourself have said? He tried getting in more defenders, woody stopped him. How is sacking Jose going to change that? It won’t. It’s knee jerk reaction to a poor start to a season. When does it become a bad season? When the players stop playing, and the performances become dire.


Here’s something you and every other person who thinks like you needs to get on board with, the olds days are gone and they are not coming back. We are not who we were, and we never will be again. And fannying about changing the manager every other season like relegation fodder isn’t going to help. We have no structure in place to chop and change the manager like other clubs do. If we do it, it’s for nothing but short termism like the relegation fodder that looks to get that short term boost from a new guy coming in to keep them up.

Let me say this as plain as I can, Jose will not be sacked until we can’t reach the champions league. And no amount of moaning will change it. And no amount of twisting the facts will change it. And no amount of dog shit toxic press coverage will change it. Get behind you club, and stop playing into the hands of the gutter press.
 
Rajma said:
you lot :lol: Calling community shield a trophy with the straight face, talk about desperation. Jose is gooner in the next couple of weeks, just deal with it.
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Incorrect. Jose is and never will be a gooner and he rejects any notion to the contrary.
 
Real Madrid apparently want him, there's 1 tier for Real Madrid already reporting this.
 
Ideal would be for us to stick with Jose till end of season and go all out for Potch in the summer. I don't think caretaker manager can get us top 4 at this point.
 
Still think it's time for him to go, but the only issue is who is genuinely available? Rushing Into a decision in regards to managerial appointments is part of the reason we are in this mess. We should stay put and do our homework, putting down a proper plan before we sack him imo. Provide a platform for the incoming manager to thrive, rather than just rushing into who we think is the best available option.

Also, I genuinely hope simply sacking Jose isn't the end. We have deep rooted issues at the club and the manager alone won't fix years of incompetence and neglect from a footballing perspective. I don't know if it says more about us or about Jose that we are going to be the first club he hasn't won a league title at. You could argue it's because of the quality of opposition and what not, but the guy got the better of the best team ever created. We need widrscale evaluations from top to bottom.
 
ash_86 said:
Ideal would be for us to stick with Jose till end of season and go all out for Potch in the summer. I don't think caretaker manager can get us top 4 at this point.
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I don't think Pochettino is the answer for United either I have no issues with him not being able to win any trophies as yet ,but his football is not exactly exciting or attacking as some on this forum like to believe may be I have caught them at wrong times but more often than not I have been quite underwhelmed by them.
 
gajender said:
I don't think Pochettino is the answer for United either I have no issues with him not being able to win any trophies as yet ,but his football is not exactly exciting or attacking as some on this forum like to believe may be I have caught them at wrong times but more often than not I have been quite underwhelmed by them.
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It's not gung ho attacking, but he implements a good system. His teams press a lot and win back the ball pretty quickly. Has coached multiple successful player and also brings through youth. These are very good qualities that we would expect from a United manager. He also did it with a shoe string budget at spurs. I definitely believe he'd get more out of our current players
 
Still have doubts, it's just one game (1.5 game if we're counting the Newcastle 2nd half).

If Mourinho can be this best Mou, he can bring the squad to the next level.
But we know he can quickly revert back to the boring Mou we know him of.
Worrying inconsistencies.

Anyway, if he and the team can keep up with this good "have a go at 'em" attitude and give good fights for points, then it's best to give Mou the chance until the end or almost to the end. January to patch anything necessary, or doesn't have to if players improve (last time Mou got one, #7, it messes everything up). We'll just wait towards the end to see how everything goes. Not like we have any good options this soon to replace him. It could even backfire. A big IF really. Let's just see the next run of games and so on.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I don't know why he retreats to his shell.

We looked like the better team and could have scored 1 more on Chelsea, but we ditched all of that to just sit back and defend.

It doesn't work with the group of players we have clearly.
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Not too sure about that, since we retain the same kind of set-up, we're still attacking, counter-attack to be specific.

He surprisingly didn't park the bus by brought in another defender.
Herrera is doing the similar role as Mata, even moving upfront, but yes, with his defensive awareness, we see Herrera's presence at the back.

It's more like replace like for like, for freshness, as usual he love to subs his attackers (CAM and wingers).

Anyway, I'm with you, let Martial and co add one more goal to kill the game.
Mou prob saving him for Juve and Mou being too confident with our defending.
 
I had assumed after the West Ham game that he had lost the dressing room and based on that I thought it was time for him to go. The last two matches show that the players are prepared to fight for the team and for the manager and I have now changed my vote. I reserve the right to change it again if performances dip again.
 
Hope Madrid get him. Would be interesting to see whether Jose is finished at top level or his struggles at Chelsea and United are down to problems at both clubs. To take over Real now is a huge task as Ronaldo isn't there, Modric, Benzema, Ramos and several other players are aging. It would be a massive rebuilding job.
 


I find it hard to believe that Real would even entertain the idea of recruiting Jose given how it ended between them last time around. Not to mention his recent failures with both Chelsea and United.

Even if it's true, Jose would be crazy to accept it. He'd just be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
 
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I find it hard to believe that Real would even entertain the idea of recruiting Jose given how it ended between them last time around. Not to mention his recent failures with both Chelsea and United.

Even if it's true, Jose would be crazy to accept it. He'd just be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
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The Madrid fans on Reddit seem to reckon this guy is proper reliable. Wonder if Mourinho would want to go back there.
 
May be perfect for Jose,for the time being that is.
Expectations are currently lowered at Madrid.His authoritative ,strict nature and that fact Perez has appointed him may wield a more focused environment back into Madrid.
Tactically their current batch of players are more intelligent than ours,lets be honest, plus we cant rule out the experience of that squad.And we all know Jose loves his experienced players. The experience of the current Madrid team is certainly more ideal for Jose methods than this United squad.

Ramos could be a issue because he was ,along with Cassilas, one of the major influences in getting Jose the boot.But Ramos isn't getting any younger.
Either come to a agreement with Ramos and patch things up or ditch the Madrid captain in January and give the armband to ,Jose's current world favourite CB, Varane.
 
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AltiUn said:
The Madrid fans on Reddit seem to reckon this guy is proper reliable. Wonder if Mourinho would want to go back there.
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Personally, I've never heard of the guy. He looks frighteningly familar though.

If Mark Lawrenson and Graeme Souness entered a love affair, this guy would be the result.
 
Rifer said:
Still have doubts, it's just one game (1.5 game if we're counting the Newcastle 2nd half).
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I'd never put to much importance into big game results/performances. These are the types of games that players should be fired up for anyway, they'll put in extra effort given it's a big game with their reputation/ego on the line. It's games against the smaller teams where a Manager earns his bucks for motivating the team. If we turn up against Everton and put in a decent performance and get the win then i'll be thinking we're starting to get back on track.
 
I don't think Jose would be mad to accept going back to Real at all, he'd probably jump at the chance. Would totally destroy my theory that no massive teams would go anywhere near him again though, and I'm surprised Real are interested really, but they probably just want someone to steady the ship.
 
Jose is still hugely admired in Europe,as he should be like it or not.
And I also feel the apparent issues at United play a part in giving Jose some benefit when it comes to critical views on him abroad.

Not all of United's issues are related solely to Jose and the major clubs ,more so owners, know that and that's why it wouldn't shock me in the slightest to see Jose manage another major club after United.
 
Judas said:
I don't think Jose would be mad to accept going back to Real at all, he'd probably jump at the chance. Would totally destroy my theory that no massive teams would go anywhere near him again though, and I'm surprised Real are interested really, but they probably just want someone to steady the ship.
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Lots of big teams will be willing to go for him. This record is brilliant. But he's not the man to take us to greatness. He doesn't look to have whatever that would take. Madrid with their brilliant team will suit him better.
 
Mainoldo said:
I’m calling the naive because you seem to think anything negative and quite simply stupid, does not exist, when clearly stuff like this happens. It’s not just our club but we are only interested in our club. There are many factual stories of players falling out with the manager, threatening to leave, managers doing the same telling them they are gone etc etc. Just because it doesn’t suite your opinions doesn’t mean it’s not true. For instance I take your point on the Pogba incident but I’m quite sure too he doesn’t like Mourinho and they’ve probably done worse than what we’ve seen. Will he ever tell the public this probably not unless his funds run low and wants to sell a book when he’s in his 40’s.

But the Point was Mourinho and Martial wanted shot of eachother and I’m sure Mourinho drew up replacements. I’m also sure that one of those replacements was Willian, so what is wrong with what posters have said about the move?
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You’re missing the point. If mourinho does something wrong it should be called out as such. Eg I thought his post Sevilla quotes were very misguided. It’s absolutely nothing to do with my opinions, and I’m sure there are examples somewhere of what you’re talking about but many many examples such as the martial relationship, the bullying shaw, the bullying of hazard and endless others have either been blatantly disproven or at best are based on speculation, usually of tabloid journalists. We’ve seen it so many times there are too many examples to mention.

Some people think stating speculation as fact strengthens their argument or perhaps vindicates their opinions and feelings - having some dodgy evidence to get themselves all riled up over- but it doesn’t do anything in my opinion to make their conjecture any more credible. Very often the same posters will just move on to their next bullshit gripe when they’re proven wrong.
 
Asked about the Real Madrid situation at the Juve presser, Jose said that he'd be happy to stay until the last day of his contract here and beyond that. Engage rage mode!
 
I'll happily admit that I am not a Mourinhio fan at all and I personally think the sooner he goes the better.
However, yet again this weekend he, and those who defend him, have managed to astonish me even further.

First of all, yes, 100% the Chelsea assistant was wrong and went too far, but, to say Mourinhio was the innocent party is going equally too far.
For a start, if it weren't for the security staff holding him back, then who knows what he would have done in retaliation, it's not hard to guess what.
We may well have seen the invetiable final step of Jose going from 'the verge of a mental breakdown' to 'actually having one' , as I said, it's going to happen anyway and that's part of the reason we should just get rid now.

Also, the way he behaved afterwards, reacting to the Chelsea fans, why has that now been overlooked?
When players goad the opposition support like that they get accused of being disrespectful and inciting riotous behaviour, now its OK for Jose to do it just because someone had the audacity to goad him, I honestly don't get it.

Finally, if Mourinhio thinks the Chelsea fans should roll out the red carpet for him while he is the Man Utd manager then he's more deluded than I thought.
He 'was' the Chelsea manger and did well there but they key word is 'was', he's not anymore, so the Chelsea fans are perfectly justified in now giving him stick if he returns, even more so if he's returning as manager of a big rival. On top of that, he hardly left them on great terms anyway, his last season there was a shambles where he ended up embarrassing himself and the club.

It's a bad state of affairs when im now defending the Chelsea fans but, I'm honestly just calling it as I see it and as I said, every week he manages to astonish me, I reiterate, the sooner he goes the better, end of.
 
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