The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

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  • No

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  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

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In his podcast today, Duncan Castles echoed the claim in Miguel Delaney's piece in the Independent yesterday ie that while some members of United's board think it is time to dispense with Mourinho's services, Ed Woodward is holding fast, reluctant to sack him.

Castles surmises that Woodward's reticence is a result of him being fearful that, should Mourinho go and results fail to improve, the ire of the fans will be turned on both him and the owners.
 
Infra-red said:
In his podcast today, Duncan Castles echoed the claim in Miguel Delaney's piece in the Independent yesterday ie that while some members of United's board think it is time to dispense with Mourinho's services, Ed Woodward is holding fast, reluctant to sack him.

Castles surmises that Woodward's reticence is a result of him being fearful that, should Mourinho go and results fail to improve, the ire of the fans will be turned on both him and the owners.
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I suspect Woodward doesn’t want to spend £20m sacking Mourinho, only to feck up the next appointment too!
 
Infra-red said:
In his podcast today, Duncan Castles echoed the claim in Miguel Delaney's piece in the Independent yesterday ie that while some members of United's board think it is time to dispense with Mourinho's services, Ed Woodward is holding fast, reluctant to sack him.

Castles surmises that Woodward's reticence is a result of him being fearful that, should Mourinho go and results fail to improve, the ire of the fans will be turned on both him and the owners.
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Woodward is an idiot of the highest calibre,does he realise that should Mourinho stay results won't improve either.
 
Joseunited said:
Woodward is an idiot of the highest calibre,does he realise that should Mourinho stay results won't improve either.
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At least he'll have Mourinho there to take the brunt of the criticism.

Mourinho appears to be utter miserable and is picking fights left, right and centre, with players, with pundits and with the press. The more people are talking about that, the less they are talking about three failed managerial appointments and 100's of millions down the toilet on average/shite players on Ed's watch.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
I suspect Woodward doesn’t want to spend £20m sacking Mourinho, only to feck up the next appointment too!
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Don't think they'd have any problems paying whatever sum it takes to get rid of him, possibly losing out on Champions League won't cost us any less than sacking Jose. The second part is likely though IMO, even the Caf might start suspecting Woodward is to blame if the fourth manager fails to compete for the league title.
 
Infra-red said:
In his podcast today, Duncan Castles echoed the claim in Miguel Delaney's piece in the Independent yesterday ie that while some members of United's board think it is time to dispense with Mourinho's services, Ed Woodward is holding fast, reluctant to sack him.

Castles surmises that Woodward's reticence is a result of him being fearful that, should Mourinho go and results fail to improve, the ire of the fans will be turned on both him and the owners.
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Man with no vision. Imagine taking up a position of leadership and being fearful of being hated. It's normal, Woody. Comes with the territory. They'll be back to praising you if the decision pays off. If you keep Jose let it be because you believe in his vision and not because you're afraid of getting moaned at
 
Infra-red said:
In his podcast today, Duncan Castles echoed the claim in Miguel Delaney's piece in the Independent yesterday ie that while some members of United's board think it is time to dispense with Mourinho's services, Ed Woodward is holding fast, reluctant to sack him.

Castles surmises that Woodward's reticence is a result of him being fearful that, should Mourinho go and results fail to improve, the ire of the fans will be turned on both him and the owners.
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Typical - I wish he would just make an executive desicion because right now hes just sitting on the fence.
 
We should just keep him until we have done proper due diligence on a new manager, if the Sun article is true I hope Ed tells him he is done, but will be staying until we have a proper replacement lined up, he should remain professional and then take his payoff, if he can't he can resign and forgo his payoff, then we should get a caretaker to fill the gap.

This one game swaying from him been sacked, to 'turning it around' is mad, the bigger picture is we need a new manager, but please god this time let it at least have a chance of working, I'm a Pochetinno fan, but I'd be wiling to give any manager who will throw himself into the job, be lacking in ego/agendas, and at least try and play the way we want a proper chance.
 
All just feels so unprofessional and amateurish really, he's clearly now living by the week and as soon as we have another run of bad results he'll probably be gone. Just do it and start the next chapter. Mourinho will not be a success here, it's too late.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
We should just keep him until we have done proper due diligence on a new manager, if the Sun article is true I hope Ed tells him he is done, but will be staying until we have a proper replacement lined up, he should remain professional and then take his payoff, if he can't he can resign and forgo his payoff, then we should get a caretaker to fill the gap.
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When Mourinho asked for a new CB people moaned about him destroying the confidence of Smalling and Bailly. Some people also think he's is fecking around with our starting line-up to prove his point, as tin-foil as it seems, so I really don't think it's a good idea to tell Jose he is done and hope him to stay until we find a replacement. Seems an odd approach to be honest.
 
klsv said:
When Mourinho asked for a new CB people moaned about him destroying the confidence of Smalling and Bailly. Some people also think he's is fecking around with our starting line-up to prove his point, as tin-foil as it seems, so I really don't think it's a good idea to tell Jose he is done and hope him to stay until we find a replacement. Seems an odd approach to be honest.
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Not really, if he thinks he's staying he'll expect backing in January for a CB or two, and not sure I'd be trusting him to get it right this time personally, if he can't be professional enough then so be it, he'll need sacking, but there is not a chance we start next season with him in charge, so we need to plan, and hopefully are already doing so.[/QUOTE]
 
The board just needs to make a decision and commit to it. Currently, it would seem that they are not fully committing with Jose, both publicly and privately.
If they committed to Jose, he could make a few signings and a few sales and have a squad that he wants and deems best fit to play how he decides. He would be in more control over the football aspect of the club, which also means he would be more accountable for the performances.
If they sacked Jose, then the next manager would be in the exact same situation. He would need to be supported to implement his style with players he wants - manager needs control over football aspect. The board could hire someone whose style aligns with players we already have, but a DoF would be better equipped to make decisions like this.

I think a consequence that is being forgotten about is that if Jose does not have control over who stays and who goes, then there is no consequence for the players not supporting the managers style. At least when LvG wanted more defensive and controlled fullbacks, Rafael was shown the door. Same with Welbeck, Nani, Kagawa, Chicharito etc.
 
Jardim is looking like he is going to part ways with Monaco.

And while I understand the hesitation appointing a new manager midseason, there will be no rewards to be gained without taking significant risks. The dream would be Pochettino or Zidane, but Jardim is no slouch either. Woody, put your sponsor negotiations on hold and get this done!
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Not really, if he thinks he's staying he'll expect backing in January for a CB or two, and not sure I'd be trusting him to get it right this time personally, if he can't be professional enough then so be it, he'll need sacking, but there is not a chance we start next season with him in charge, so we need to plan, and hopefully are already doing so.
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Since when you sign players based on the current manager alone and what will make you sure the next manager will get it right if he wants a center back ?
 
BluesJr said:
All just feels so unprofessional and amateurish really, he's clearly now living by the week and as soon as we have another run of bad results he'll probably be gone. Just do it and start the next chapter. Mourinho will not be a success here, it's too late.
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A manager takes a team who placed 7th, 4th and 5th and an FA cup in the preceding three seasons, doesn't change the squad a great deal (4 players a season), to get 6th with a Europa League and League Cup in season one, and 2nd place in season 2 and just because (the start of) season three was poor, he isn't a success? I think it would be difficult to get anything better from someone else under these circumstances
 
When Jose is gone I bet we'll have some sections waiting to gloat about any good result he has at his next club in the same way we had with Welbeck for a good while.
 
I just don't understand this board not backing Jose narrative. We have given managers the resources to build as they want without questioning them( atleast after the great man left). We have only sacked them after the results went south. I don't know any other club in europe that does whatever the manager wants and gives them full control. Jose is moaning about economic constraints after spending 300-400 million euros. Poch didn't even spend a single penny this summer and he is doing his job without moaning. Of course, expectations are much lower for Tottenham, but it just gets hard for me atleast, to hear the manager moan all the fecking time about spending, when managers like Poch would love to have the budget that he has. You are getting paid 15 million euros per year. Coach them!

City can always bin players and buy new ones because their owners are so fecking rich. Mansour's family is worth about 600 billion dollars. To put that into perspective, the man officially recognized as the richest on the planet, Jeff Bezos, is more than four times poorer than them with 140 billion dollars. For us to remain competitive, we have to start making smart decisions on the pitch. And that starts with sacking Jose, bringing a manager like Jardim in (if he is available), and see how he does with the squad. Put a DOF in place. Evaluate the options in the summer. It's not too late.
 
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Vidyoyo said:
Why do fans want to hire Jardim if he's doing badly at Monaco? Not rhetorical; I know nothing about him.
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A bit of 1 and a bit of 2.

1. Monaco played attacking football. He was credited for it. His name came up in news more than often.

2. Flashy new toy. Grass is greener etc. etc.
 
No point ditching Jose unless the right guy is available to come in and replace. I think Jardim should take a job with a smaller team in the PL first before he can be really tested. Pochettino right now is the only candidate right now who we should be focusing on. Hopefully we can get him. Marco Silva looks like he is another top top manager in the making.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Why do fans want to hire Jardim if he's doing badly at Monaco? Not rhetorical; I know nothing about him.
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Had 4 very good seasons (3rd, 3rd, 1st and 2nd) for them, playing some great football in the 3rd and 4th seasons while having to endure constant turnover and selling their best players every window. This season theyve struggled. Suspect it's more of a Klopp at dortmund situation of things eventually going stale when you keep selling the main players.
 
All this turnaround bulls**t will last till we play our next game . Ironically it's going to be Chelsea, Mourinho's first love that will bring the guillotine down. We are going to get rinsed by Chelsea and everything will be fair game.

Mourinho won't last, past October. His bed is made,,his bags are packed. Get ready for another couple of years of transition. I honestly don't know who I want as I wanted Mourinho despite his baggage and can now see the folly of having him for the infamous third season!!
 
Champagne Football said:
No point ditching Jose unless the right guy is available to come in and replace. I think Jardim should take a job with a smaller team in the PL first before he can be really tested. Pochettino right now is the only candidate right now who we should be focusing on. Hopefully we can get him. Marco Silva looks like he is another top top manager in the making.
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Guy finished 3rd twice, 2nd once and won the title once, while also getting to the semi finals of the champions league once and quarter final once, with a team that constantly sells it's best players every window to stay afloat. How on earth could he not be tested sufficiently after that? It's not a case of Pochettino having Southampton play some pretty football for a season and then needing to go to Spurs before people judge him fully. Jardim is fully proven.
 
VJ1762 said:
I just don't understand this board not backing Jose narrative. We have given managers the resources to build as they want without questioning them( atleast after the great man left). We have only sacked them after the results went south. I don't know any other club in europe that does whatever the manager wants and gives them full control. Jose is moaning about economic constraints after spending 300-400 million euros. Poch didn't even spend a single penny this summer and he is doing his job without moaning. Of course, expectations are much lower for Tottenham, but it just gets hard for me atleast, to hear the manager moan all the fecking time about spending, when managers like Poch would love to have the budget that he has. You are getting paid 15 million euros per year. Coach them!
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I would think there are lots of clubs that give the manager full control of the football decisions. Spurs are also building a new stadium so do you think that contributed to not spending any money? You also need to look more at the number of players, rather than the amount of spending, because the big clubs have to pay more and sell for less.
Understandably the manager knows the constraints of the board, but if the manager wants a player ultimately the board decides whether to invest or not. Jose identified players, the board said decided not to invest, but then said money is available for other players that they have identified like Varane or Bale etc. But not for Alderwierald, Perisic, Willian etc. Thats the difference. Same with the selling of players. If Jose identifies players that are not fitting into his style, then it undermines the manager if the board says he has to keep him.

Your reference to Pochettino is not the best. He has been in charge for four seasons at Spurs, and the squad breakdown by who signed them is Redknapp 1, Villas Boas 5, Pochettino 17 and 3 youth. Jose has 9 players he has bought in his squad plus 5 from SAF, 2 Moyes, 6 Van Gaal and 4 youth. City has 1 Hughes, 2 Mancini, 6 Pellegrini, 14 Pep and 2 youth. See the difference? Also note the quality of the signings that are not the current managers ones and there is another large difference.
 
bosnian_red said:
1.Guy finished 3rd twice, 2nd once and won the title once, while also getting to the semi finals of the champions league once and quarter final once, with a team that constantly sells it's best players every window to stay afloat. How on earth could he not be tested sufficiently after that? It's not a case of Pochettino having Southampton play some pretty football for a season and then needing to go to Spurs before people judge him fully. 2.Jardim is fully proven.
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1. In the French League.
2. He has yet to test himself at a big club.

I don't mean to be disrespectful of Jardim's accomplishment but let's not pretend that the French League is in the same category as the Premier League, La Liga or Serie A. Also Manchester United and Monaco are not on in the same stratum.

The truth is that some managers like players struggle when they are moved to a higher level.
 
Jojo <3 Mou said:
1. In the French League.
2. He has yet to test himself at a big club.

I don't mean to be disrespectful of Jardim's accomplishment but let's not pretend that the French League is in the same category as the Premier League, La Liga or Serie A. Also Manchester United and Monaco are not on in the same stratum.

The truth is that some managers like players struggle when they are moved to a higher level.
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True. But he's still more proven then doing anything at a smaller club in the premier league is ever going to show. Also being proven at a smaller club means nothing about succeeding at a bigger club with different expectations. Some managers are better at handling smaller clubs where they have to survive while others are better at handling better sides where they are expected to challenge. Put Guardiola at a club in the bottom half of the league and they would likely struggle more than if they had someone like Allardyce who is great at keeping teams from getting relegated. Put Guardiola in any big side and he'll work wonders.

Basically, I don't think "proving yourself" at a smaller club means anything at all, apart from very rare cases. Some clubs you can't build a team to play attractive football. Some clubs you need functionality over entertainment but when the manager moves to a bigger club with more freedom they can expand more. You're more likely to find similarities in managers of similar positioned clubs in other leagues, being used to title challenges, being used to playing attacking football and winning. Especially in Jardim's case. It's not like he was at PSG so they expect to dominate every single season. So it is very impressive what he managed to do with Monaco over the last 4 and a bit seasons. Just like it was very impressive what Klopp did with Dortmund, competing against a giant like Bayern every season.
 
bosnian_red said:
Guy finished 3rd twice, 2nd once and won the title once, while also getting to the semi finals of the champions league once and quarter final once, with a team that constantly sells it's best players every window to stay afloat. How on earth could he not be tested sufficiently after that? It's not a case of Pochettino having Southampton play some pretty football for a season and then needing to go to Spurs before people judge him fully. Jardim is fully proven.
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You look at the talent he had when got to the semi finals. His squad was light years ahead of Man Utd's despite our heavy spending. He's done very well in a lower league. If he had continued to rival PSG then you'd think there's something about this bloke. But that season seems now like a flash in the pan and he wasn't able to prove he could rebuild despite huge player sales money coming in. Claude Puel has also won Ligue 1. Laurent Blanc looked like a top manager in the making there before disappearing.
 
If I go there will be trouble,
And if I stay it will be double...
 
Champagne Football said:
No point ditching Jose unless the right guy is available to come in and replace. I think Jardim should take a job with a smaller team in the PL first before he can be really tested. Pochettino right now is the only candidate right now who we should be focusing on. Hopefully we can get him. Marco Silva looks like he is another top top manager in the making.
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And the board and Woody sail merrily on? They will - you are convinced - back this new guy? No more impulse buys? They will restructure to his requirements? No more behind the back press briefings? No more clueless ego trips? Oh, good.
 
Tincanalley said:
And the board and Woody sail merrily on? They will - you are convinced - back this new guy? No more impulse buys? They will restructure to his requirements? No more behind the back press briefings? No more clueless ego trips? Oh, good.
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Impulse buys? Now I think we need restructuring but which players do you think Woody signed without the concent/request from Jose?

If we have players we shouldnt have that is very much down to Jose as well as Woodward
 
Rifer said:
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I can't think of anything to substitute for truth and love
 
Jojo <3 Mou said:
1. In the French League.
2. He has yet to test himself at a big club.

I don't mean to be disrespectful of Jardim's accomplishment but let's not pretend that the French League is in the same category as the Premier League, La Liga or Serie A. Also Manchester United and Monaco are not on in the same stratum.

The truth is that some managers like players struggle when they are moved to a higher level.
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And some don't, Mourinho came to Chelsea from Porto, neither Guardiola or Zidane had managed big clubs before taking over in Spain, Wenger came from Grampus 8 and even SAF came from Aberdeen! The narrative that you must manage a big club before Utd means you will always miss out on the best upcoming managers.

Then how do you define a big club, Dortmund? Napoli? yet Klopp and Sarri seem to be doing OK. Jardim succeeded at Sporting and Monaco with practically no financial backing and presidents that insisted on cashing in on their best players, I'd suggest that that's not a bad CV to have behind you, especially when you add a CL semi final to that.

Yes Jardim would be a gamble, but he has proved time and time again that he can adapt his tactics to fit with the players he has, he's played defensive possession based football and expansive football successfully, he has a good eye for young players and has a track record in developing them. And he doesn't create problems with players or with the press. When asked recently about Monaco's strategy of developing and then selling their players for profit, he said "That's the project and strategy at Monaco, I don't have time to whine."

If the rumours are true and he is about to leave Monaco, he would be a great appointment for you and far more attainable than Poch, a better tactician than Zidane and play far more attractive football than Conte.

What's not to love?!
 
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