The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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He needs results in the upcoming weeks, if he gets them, there will be no need to sack him, even at the end of the season. Hopefully we will be more attacking, we've got all the ingredients there. Play Martial, get the best out of Sanchez, things could dramatically change.

After the first 15 minutes against Newcastle game i started thinking maybe it's better for all of us if Mourinho would leave, but we turned it around when we needed it most. Mourinho is still one of the best managers there is and he's got time to carry on, no excuses, hopefully he gets it done.
 
We've seen barely any proof over the two and a bit seasons he's been here that we'll ever be more attacking (apart from when we're desperate) to still believe there's a chance we might suddenly start playing like that now is just madness.
 
He needs to go. All this shit is just delaying the inevitable.
 
football can be rich in irony, coincidence and narrative.....

really fancy a treble of Chelsea to win, Hazard to Score, Jose to go

what odds
 
We've seen barely any proof over the two and a bit seasons he's been here that we'll ever be more attacking (apart from when we're desperate) to still believe there's a chance we might suddenly start playing like that now is just madness.

If Jose is assured of his defense,only then I think we will see him attacking more.
 
Would be funny if his ultra defensive tactics ensure that we nick a 1-0 against Chelsea with everyone calling it a Jose masterclass. Stranger things have happened.
 
That spanish Ballague bellend now reporting that "Gigs is preparing for the united job due to Jose's situation being uncertain".

What a load of rubbish.
 
Man, i really hope he is gone soon. Would love to have someone new in so he can start building his team come Jan.

Truly believe if we keep Jose for much longer we can say bye bye to top 4 and in that case potentially De Gea and Pogba.
 
He needs to go. All this shit is just delaying the inevitable.

Absolutely correct, couldn't agree with this more.

And the delay is going to cost us the top 4 and possibly De Gea, which would be a disaster.
 
I would get rid too, Ok he did not get Toby nor did he get Maguire in the summer. What if he had got Toby, Maguire. Would he then have used that to build a spidermans web around his parked bus?

I see what you did there! Maybe a Go Go Gadget bus?!
 
I would get rid too, Ok he did not get Toby nor did he get Maguire in the summer. What if he had got Toby, Maguire. Would he then have used that to build a spidermans web around his parked bus?
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Not having signed a defender or two is not why we're in this mess. Look at our play week in and week out. I feel like every team has better tactics and better movement than us. That's not down to a defender or two.
 
Feel the CB issue is giving Jose an easy excuse for the shit on display. Our current passing template is so crude it would frustrate any ball playing CB. They would have the same problem our CM complains of ie lack of organised movement ahead of them.

When our CBs are looking for an outlet our CMs are often slow to react or are just plain deprived of passing options themselves they end up having to send the ball straight back. Alderweireld isn't going to build an attack from the back by himself. While reinforcements at CB are needed, they aren't all that's needed, we also need serious work on the training ground. Fixing the personnel won't do much if we don't fix the system. We could also stop loading our midfield with slow palm trees
 
Think he's talking about Ballague.

Allegri would be a smart choice in my opinion.
I was trying to be funny and clearly failed :) Nah I'm not so sure about Allegri, another coach who's rather conservative.
 
I was trying to be funny and clearly failed :) Nah I'm not so sure about Allegri, another coach who's rather conservative.
Ahh I get you. He should've said that Spanish bellend Ballague.

He isn't as conservative as I think he's made out to be. But on the other hand, he's managed the clear top team in Italy for 4 years now. Maybe that means he doesn't need to be so conservative, but if he did, he would be.
 
Ahh I get you. He should've said that Spanish bellend Ballague.

He isn't as conservative as I think he's made out to be. But on the other hand, he's managed the clear top team in Italy for 4 years now. Maybe that means he doesn't need to be so conservative, but if he did, he would be.

Similar to Jose he prefers the opposition to have the ball to make mistakes and counter. I would rather a different approach.
 
Was at the Montenegro - Serbia match yesterday when the "crunch talk" with Ed was supposed to take place as well, according to reports. Unless he's going to be oyr scout, it doesn't seem like he's going go get sacked any time soon. Maybe time to stop posting, and believing, all the shit The Sun, Mirror and Daily Mail writes?
 
It's delaying the inevitable. If he doesn't get results in the upcoming fixtures after the international break, he will be sacked.

I feel he should have went in the summer, if we decided then, not to back him.
 
It's delaying the inevitable. If he doesn't get results in the upcoming fixtures after the international break, he will be sacked.

I feel he should have went in the summer, if we decided then, not to back him.

Chelsea are going to wipe the floor with us. In fact, our upcoming fixtures look extremely daunting. I don’t think United will sack Mourinho until the end of the season though. The only way I see it changing is if we have a catastrophic run of form. All that said, the debate around Mourinho is completely spurious. You’d think United fans would realise by now that changing the manager isn’t the silver bullet.
 
My concern with Jose is that when he appears to have turned a corner, he goes back to make the same mistakes again. We can all make errors, but to keep making them is unacceptable.

Here is my list of what I believe has been going wrong and what Jose is failing to address:

1. Below Par Players - The likes of Darmian, Jones, Rojo and Mata (at RW) have had plenty of chances to prove their worth to the team. None of them have taken their chances to achieve the consistency required. Although not necessarily their fault due to injury or being played out of position, Jose keeps making the same mistake in selecting them in the squad.

Given the wealth of talent in our academy and the traditions of the club, it is unacceptable for Jose to persist with them

2. Lukakku as Target Man - He simply cannot perform this function. Very rarely does he hold onto the ball and play-in teammates from our direct balls. All it is achieving is a quick way for us to lose possession and draw Lukkaku away from the box

3. Lack of Defensive Composure - I'm referring to the tendency of our defenders to go long, rather than looking to build up play. Young is the worst offender at the moment, while Smalling's passing limitations have been discussed at length. The net result is that we invite pressure, stunt our attacks and lose possession easily

There are limits to what Jose can do outside of the window, but he can make balanced player selections to get the right mix of passers and those with the right defensive attributes. A back line including Young, Bailley and Smalling is going to create problems for us

4. Right Flank - Jose has regularly selected a team with Valencia behind Mata. This combination completely destroys any attacking threat on our right, due to overall limitations in pace, dribbling, crossing and attacking intent. Neither should play in these roles, unless we have a selection crisis.

This problem has been clear for several windows, yet it has failed to be addressed

5. Golden Goose - No player should be undropable, yet it seems Jose has his Golden Geese. Matic has been awful this season, while Lukkaku should have been dropped after that completely unacceptable Valencia performance.

Jose's mistake is that he is tolerating and failing to address low standards

6. Midfield Engine - Too often Jose has selected a midfield that either lacks the energy to win the midfield battle and/ or has limited passing ability. Given out issues with the long ball, this means we don't have the personal to win the ball back consistently and/ or fail to have the passing ability to handle the press.

A current offender is Matic, who seems to be a shadow of the player of last season. Why isn't Fred or Perreira getting a chance when this bloke is clearly fatigued/ out of position?

7. Failure to attack- Here I'm referring to our general lack of attacking intent. It's understandable for us to park the bus in certain games, but we show far to much respect to lesser sides. A factor for our poor attacking play, is a failure to commit men forward due to our over-cautious approach.

At the moment, given our awful defensive play (unsure of the reason for this), attack is really the best form of defence. We could blow away sides, yet we invite pressure and give lesser teams to confidence to have a go at us


Repeating the same mistakes, in any other job this would lead to dismissal, yet somehow this is acceptable at United
 
1. Below Par Players - The likes of Darmian, Jones, Rojo and Mata (at RW) have had plenty of chances to prove their worth to the team. None of them have taken their chances to achieve the consistency required. Although not necessarily their fault due to injury or being played out of position, Jose keeps making the same mistake in selecting them in the squad.

Given the wealth of talent in our academy and the traditions of the club, it is unacceptable for Jose to persist with them

That's not on Jose isn't it? Wanted a CB, wanted wingbacks, didn't get them. Can't just throw someone from the academy to play CB can he, it's one position where experience matters. We have experienced CB's who are shit or unable to play the ball out from the backand more raw and young CB's who have a mistake in them.

2. Lukakku as Target Man - He simply cannot perform this function. Very rarely does he hold onto the ball and play-in teammates from our direct balls. All it is achieving is a quick way for us to lose possession and draw Lukkaku away from the box


5. Golden Goose - No player should be undropable, yet it seems Jose has his Golden Geese. Matic has been awful this season, while Lukkaku should have been dropped after that completely unacceptable Valencia performance.

Where would you play Lukaku then? Or who would you play as a target man instead of him should he be dropped?
 
That's not on Jose isn't it? Wanted a CB, wanted wingbacks, didn't get them. Can't just throw someone from the academy to play CB can he, it's one position where experience matters. We have experienced CB's who are shit or unable to play the ball out from the backand more raw and young CB's who have a mistake in them.



Where would you play Lukaku then? Or who would you play as a target man instead of him should he be dropped?

In what world do we have to play with a target man at all? So many teams play without a target man & in general the most successful ones over the last decade have hardly played with one.
 
In what world do we have to play with a target man at all? So many teams play without a target man & in general the most successful ones over the last decade have hardly played with one.

I agree - we don't need a target man just a competent striker with good all around play.
 
Always one win away from been the right man again for some though..

The 'bigger picture' doesn't seem to apply to where Jose is concerned.
The bigger picture is that he needs to put a run of wins together quick. Our fixture list makes that extremely difficult.
 
Speculation. There is no evidence he wanted another RB or a LB.

Didn't you create a thread on Jose not speaking to Valencia very recently? There was far more reporting on our fullback targets than that garbage
 
Anyone see Eden Hazard interview about wanting to work with Mourinho again.

He else mentions that before mourinho got sacked at Chelsea they were going through a 'Negative Cycle' Mourinho starting criticising players and took the fun out of training and it was best they parted ways at that time.

I wonder if the same is happening at the club.

I do want Mourinho gone, he just so negative in everything. Maybe the players feel it now in the 3rd season.
 
Speculation. There is no evidence he wanted another RB or a LB.

Didn't he say himself that he was into Perisic to deploy him as a wingback?

In what world do we have to play with a target man at all? So many teams play without a target man & in general the most successful ones over the last decade have hardly played with one.

Sure we don't need to play a target man but the post I quoted, I understood, was saying that Lukaku as a target man was the issue, not a target man in general. As for Lukaku, there's nowhere else to play him really. He's not a winger, nor a no 10. Don't get the Lukaku bashing personally, think his hold-up play has improved a lot too. 31 goals and 9 assists in 62 matches (in all competitions) isn't too bad, don't expect him to bang in braces each match when the whole team plays like they don't care. Being so static at times, he doesn't really have much to do being alone in the box anyway with wingers slowing down.
 
Didn't you create a thread on Jose not speaking to Valencia very recently? There was far more reporting on our fullback targets than that garbage
I said Mail were reporting a story, nothing about it being fact.
 
Didn't he say himself that he was into Perisic to deploy him as a wingback?
Can't remember. But as for the last summer, I don't think we were after one. Especially with Mourinho saying he exoecexp Young to play 50+ games and texting Shaw throughout the summer. Only position we are sure he didn't get this summer was a CB.
 
Anyone see Eden Hazard interview about wanting to work with Mourinho again.

He else mentions that before mourinho got sacked at Chelsea they were going through a 'Negative Cycle' Mourinho starting criticising players and took the fun out of training and it was best they parted ways at that time.

I wonder if the same is happening at the club.

I do want Mourinho gone, he just so negative in everything. Maybe the players feel it now in the 3rd season.
It's exactly the same thing.
 
That's not on Jose isn't it? Wanted a CB, wanted wingbacks, didn't get them. Can't just throw someone from the academy to play CB can he, it's one position where experience matters. We have experienced CB's who are shit or unable to play the ball out from the backand more raw and young CB's who have a mistake in them.



Where would you play Lukaku then? Or who would you play as a target man instead of him should he be dropped?

On your first point, it is partly down to the board to provide new signings, but I place it mostly on Jose. He knew about Jones and Rojo's injury proneness, yet allowed TFM and Tunzebe to go on loan. The former having some good performances at palace, with both also able to play full back better than Darmian. They are young, but I doubt they are any more error prone than our current shambles

On your 2nd point, we don't need to play a Target man. Other teams play a possession based, or fast passing based tactic for their attacks. We have some great personal who can pass and move quickly, dribble, in addition getting behind the defence with good runs.

As for Lukkaku, he is great in a system where he can get one on one with defenders and beat them with pace and strength. Jose is unfortunately not getting the best out of him as a Target Man

Regarding the 'Golden goose'. Lukkaku was utterly shocking against Valencia and needed to be dropped as an example that ppor stabdards are nit acceptable. A front line of Sanchez, Rashford and Martial could have done a lot of damage to Newcastle if we drop our 70s, hoof it to the big man tactics

I'll end with the main point I was making - if there are clear and obvious errors or things are not working, then you have to try something new, otherwise we are doomed to failure. Jose is regularly failing to do this and repeating specific mistakes again ad again
 
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