The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

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    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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Yep so when next we lose or draw it's because the players don't love the club not because of shitty tactics and no attacking plan. Setting up his narrative nice and early

Yes, because football is in no way about the players on the pitch. Not at all, merely a backdrop in it all.
 
He has to go. I can’t see him turning this around, in fact this will only get worst with Jose at the helm.
He’s mostly been a complete let down. The man is just toxic.

I honestly feel each day he’s still in charge is a waste of time.
 
In 3 seasons, Jose and United have been out of title contention by November (this is a prediction) all while having invested upwards of 400million. I don't even know what he brings. Can he just set a team up to be difficult to break down? Is that the limit of his qualities nowadays
 
It’s at a stage where it’s becoming pretty untenable and change is looking likely in the short term IMO
 
Lemme give it one more shot :wenger:



Ok ok so here it goes:

After Sevilla,
Should have been sacked
Come summer market,
Should have been backed
But Ed Woodward,
A brain he lacked

Now our dear United's a mess,
A great return on your stock
But the footballs a mess

All that's left
Is to send Pogback
Along with that
Fat Italian mistress.

Dedicated to @hungrywing for not letting me give up on my dreams

Magnifico. I'll take one french fry as a microtransaction payment.
 
And who's to be held accountable for the squad's morale and performances?

Could it be themselves, first and foremost? Surely not. People being responsible for their own failings. What is this madness!?

If a player misses a clear opportunity to score, without pressure, then in that moment, who is to blame? The player, or the manager? If another player completes a low number of successful passes, then who is to blame? If a player, is dispossessed on the halfway line after a stupid attempted play, fails to chase back to atone for his mistake, then who is to blame?

There are many, many examples just from this season, where the individuals mistake has cost us goals, both for and against or where they have cost us players on the pitch. Where they have put the team under needless pressure. Far more examples of this that of the actual team failing as a whole. Of course mistakes happen, but they seem to be happening multiple times a game, from the same players. Have they forgotten how to play, is it intentional or are they just out of form? Maybe they are actually coached like that, that United spend hours a day training how to make mistakes.

Far to often we are undone by an individual error. Against Brighton, against Spurs, against Wolves. Far to often.
 
Yep so when next we lose or draw it's because the players don't love the club not because of shitty tactics and no attacking plan. Setting up his narrative nice and early

Getting in his excuses early to absolve himself from blame per usual just as he did over the summer. His bootlickers have been spinning the same web of unnaccountability for their main man.
 
Could it be themselves, first and foremost? Surely not. People being responsible for their own failings. What is this madness!?

If a player misses a clear opportunity to score, without pressure, then in that moment, who is to blame? The player, or the manager? If another player completes a low number of successful passes, then who is to blame? If a player, is dispossessed on the halfway line after a stupid attempted play, fails to chase back to atone for his mistake, then who is to blame?

There are many, many examples just from this season, where the individuals mistake has cost us goals, both for and against or where they have cost us players on the pitch. Where they have put the team under needless pressure. Far more examples of this that of the actual team failing as a whole. Of course mistakes happen, but they seem to be happening multiple times a game, from the same players. Have they forgotten how to play, is it intentional or are they just out of form? Maybe they are actually coached like that, that United spend hours a day training how to make mistakes.

Far to often we are undone by an individual error. Against Brighton, against Spurs, against Wolves. Far to often.
You could do these for every manager that's lost their job. LVG was also quoting these towards the end of his tenure. Missing chances, misplacing passes, looking lost in possession are a symptom of a bigger problem. Lukaku missing sitters isn't new. Making him the focal point of a low production attack was Jose's choice setup. That week in week out our chances to win are defined by single errors are because of how limited we are in the first place and a lot of that comes from our tactical setup and coaching
 
You could do these for every manager that's lost their job. LVG was also quoting these towards the end of his tenure. Missing chances, misplacing passes, looking lost in possession are a symptom of a bigger problem. Lukaku missing sitters isn't new. Making him the focal point of a low production attack was Jose's choice setup. That week in week out our chances to win are defined by single errors are because of how limited we are in the first place and a lot of that comes from our tactical setup and coaching

Thats just wrong though. At this level, mistakes are the difference. Its the same at the elite level of any sport, probably any industry.

As for us being limited, those 3 games, we had more of the ball, more attempts, equal or more on target. 6 of the 7 goals conceded came directly from individual errors. Guilt edge chances were missed on our part. These games highlight exactly where our problems are. This idea that every game we concede possession, take no chances, create nothing is just wrong. 47 attempts across those 3 games, 3 goals.
 
The last two season gave no reason to sack him. We couldn't have sacked him after he won two titles in his first season. We couldn't have sacked him after finishing second last year. The Sevilla debacle and our style of play put aside, we just couldn't have sacked him. Now we've had a horrific start to the season, but even Moyes wasn't sacked seven games into a league season, in hindsight, we should have but back then it took me more than seven matches to want him out. But my main reason for being one of the three idiots on these forums who are willing to give another season to Mourinho another season is that I cannot see any good long-term replacement for him before the season is over. Will be very hard to lure someone away from their current club mid-season and I really don't see how a caretaker in Carrick would change anything. But what the club does is not in my control, just I can't see the board sacking him yet.
I see it differently. We could've sacked him after the first season for finishing 6th and the dire football. We could've sacked him after the second season for the embarrassment in Europe and the dire football. We should sack him now cause of the dire football, the results, and the failure to develop a coherent football side despite spending 400 million and not losing any key players.
 
I think this is worse than the meltdown at Chelsea(2).

I stuck with Jose for longer than most and thought if only the players would play to their full ability. They never did and he went just before Xmas. This time around the media are whipping up such a storm in early October and Pogba or somebody else within the dressing room keeps leaking bad stuff to the media that I can't see Utd holding out as long as Chelsea.

The sad thing for me is that Jose is probably done at top level football now. That's two top level dressing rooms he's lost now and which club in their right mind would employ him now. It's worse at Utd because they are his first club to not have won a League.

I know I'm talking as if it's a done deal but does anybody think he can turn this around?

Actually it’s three. Madrid was #1. The issues weren’t as noticeable because the team was good enough to still get results, but there were massive issues.
 
I think this is worse than the meltdown at Chelsea(2).

I stuck with Jose for longer than most and thought if only the players would play to their full ability. They never did and he went just before Xmas. This time around the media are whipping up such a storm in early October and Pogba or somebody else within the dressing room keeps leaking bad stuff to the media that I can't see Utd holding out as long as Chelsea.

The sad thing for me is that Jose is probably done at top level football now. That's two top level dressing rooms he's lost now and which club in their right mind would employ him now. It's worse at Utd because they are his first club to not have won a League.

I know I'm talking as if it's a done deal but does anybody think he can turn this around?

No shit, atleast he won a league with them before going nuclear.
 
I honestly thought Jose had more respect for the club than he clearly does, at the end of the day he still thinks he's bigger than us.

Still think he'll speak fondly about the fans once he's gone, but christ the shit talking he'll do about the rest of the club will be endless.
 
Let me start by saying I would prefer for Mourinho to be sent packing.

But I do wish people would stop referring to that now infamous Sevilla game as the tipping point.

Sevilla are a good team that finished 7th in La Liga last season. They are certainly no mugs. Check out their unbeaten record last year and the beatings of Real and Atletico Madrid. Their home ground has been a fortress.

They have just this wknd beaten Real Madrid again. They are without doubt a good team for heavens sake!

I get that the way Mourinho set is up at home that night couldn’t be further from the traditions of this club and perhaps that’s where the frustration lies. But losing a game of football to Seville is nothing to be scoffed at.

Losing to Brighton, Huddersfield, WBA and Bristol. Drawing home games against Burnley, Southampton, for me is 10x worse. Teams we should in all seriousness be destroying
 
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If we lose today he will surely get sacked.

Genuinely don't think he will. This club and board has shown themselves to be very reactive. They'll wait until things go beyond the pale (i.e. we fail to get out of the group stage, or top four becomes almost impossible) then they may pull the trigger.
 
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Sick of this now. I'm sat here eating my dinner and I just got an email saying Mourinho isn't on speaking terms with me now.

WTF have I done :wenger:

#MourinhoOut
 
If we lose today he will surely get sacked.

We'll put a couple of decent results in this week and the pressure will ease.

Then a couple of shockers and it'll ramp up.

And so on
 
Let me start by saying I would prefer for Mourinho to be sent packing.

But I do wish people would stop referring to that now infamous Sevilla game as the tipping point.

Sevilla are a good team that finished 7th in La Liga last season. They are certainly no mugs. Check out their unbeaten record last year and the beatings of Real and Atletico Madrid. Their home ground has been a fortress.

They have just this wknd beaten Real Madrid again. They are without doubt a good team for heavens sake!

I get that the way Mourinho set is up at home that night couldn’t be further from the traditions of this club and perhaps that’s where the frustration lies. But losing a game of football to Seville is nothing to be scoffed at.

Losing to Brighton, Huddersfield, WBA and Bristol. Drawing home games against Burnley, Southampton, for me is 10x worse. Teams we should in all seriousness be destroying
It wasn't the Sevilla result, although it was bad. It was his after-match comments that riled people. Really patting himself on the back while insulting his current employer.
 
So looking forward to tonight's game.I always want United to win no matter what but it just feels like something is going to give tonight one way or another.
 
I honestly thought Jose had more respect for the club than he clearly does, at the end of the day he still thinks he's bigger than us.

Still think he'll speak fondly about the fans once he's gone, but christ the shit talking he'll do about the rest of the club will be endless.

Are you from India?
 
Scholes and Rio have just laid into him in some form and order on BT Sport.

Scholes mentioned that he’s “embarrassing the club” and thought he’d be sacked already after the West Ham game while Rio believes he’s “trying to get sacked”.

A clear step up in language to turn the screw. The ifs, buts and maybes with negative angles became direct shots right there. Much heavier than the sound bite fodder.
 
Scholes on Mourinho: “I’m sat here surprised he’s here after Saturday. He’s coming out in press conferences, having a go at players, people above him. I think his mouth is out of control and he’s embarrassing the club.”
Scholes: “Players have to take responsibility, but ultimately it has to come from the manager. He’s sending them out to play for United. The first thing you expect is a good attitude and effort. He’s sending teams out who have neither.He (Mourinho) looks desperate to get sacked.There’s no identity, there’s no way of playing at the moment."
Go on Scholesy!
 
Seeing the way Hoffenheim is playing today and seeing the way united is playing ....it just doesn't add up.

Jose just can't change his style ? Is he that outdated ? Is it the players that he bought ?

Its really frustrating.
 
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