Will probably get pelters but I think Scholes would be an awful choice. Great player and a legend of the club. He doesn't seem the most intelligent of chaps though, has no managerial experience and I doubt he has the charisma to keep the press on side.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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If there’s a time he should be respectfully let go it’s now. His next 6 games could all be very easily lost. We need a new spark for the next 6 insanely difficult games
Yeah you thought he would have learned by now, but he doesnt want to. This is what the club asked for dancing with the devil
Maybe a national team, Qatar or China, something like that
We’d be much better off getting rid of Mourinho now and giving his replacement the better part of the season to settle in. Klopp was hired in October, three years ago this week, and if I remember correctly Rodgers had Liverpool sitting in a similar league position to us when he was sacked. Now he didn’t get his Liverpool team into the top 4 under his ¾ season stewardship ( they finished 8th,) but they reached a couple of finals (knocking us out of Europe enroute) and were playing klopp ball by the time May came around.
I’ve written this season off already. If the board act, replace Mourinho now and start to think longer-term then I’m happy enough to miss out on Europe next season as long as by doing so we start to play a better brand of football.
I’ve written this season off already. If the board act, replace Mourinho now and start to think longer-term then I’m happy enough to miss out on Europe next season as long as by doing so we start to play a better brand of football.
Does anyone think this bad start to the season coincides with Mourinho getting rid of Rui Faria? The two were together for years and as soon as he goes we have Mourinho’s worst season.
The attacking has been worse this season than the last two, which is saying something. This season it is all cross, cross, cross. I thought Mckenna and Carrick were brought into the coaching staff to improve the attacking? It has got worse imo.
Mourinho needs to go, but they must have something to do with this poor start surely?
The attacking has been worse this season than the last two, which is saying something. This season it is all cross, cross, cross. I thought Mckenna and Carrick were brought into the coaching staff to improve the attacking? It has got worse imo.
Mourinho needs to go, but they must have something to do with this poor start surely?
Not for now. Chelsea had 8 pts after 7 games season 15/16.
In LVG's last season we had 16 pts after 7 games and ended up with 66 pts. If Mourinho manages the whole season, he might end up with a worse record than Moyes.
No, personally don't think so. Considering he's had same issues at Chelsea and Madrid and still had his own staff. Our style of play was already deteriorating last year too. Maybe the new staff haven't turned it around as much as hoped but all the signs were there.
We need to get back to at least challenging for major titles in order to keep our top players or those with potential upsides. Imagine if De Gea refuses to sign an extension. Now imagine the market in the next few years. There are many others who can be good to great players if managed properly, some of them in the last year of their contracts.
Get rid of Mourinho now while we can still salvage the season or I fear the worse is yet to come.
Get rid of Mourinho now while we can still salvage the season or I fear the worse is yet to come.
I can't think of a player with a bigger ego!
You don’t know what anyone can do until they’re appointed. There’s no reason why a new manager can’t get more from a group of talented players.
Chelsea’s squad, man for man is largely no better than ours. He’s getting a tune out of players the previous manager didnt and they seem to enjoy the new system. It’s all about confidence rather than necessarily having “better” players. Liverpool are similar with all players buying into the system.
Sanchez, Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, Fred, Rashford, Martial, Lingaard, Shaw - all talented players, playing well within themselves could look completely different in another system.
I guess we’ll see what happens but as it stands, every few days Mourinho is saying or doing something that makes the situation even more toxic. That won’t go on indefinitely. It damages the brand and he knows that. He’s engineering a way out.
Get rid of him now, and we might salvage this season yet. The longer we keep him, the more we drift away from top four. We need to qualify for CL next season as well, which we won't with this fraud in charge.
Chelsea stuck with Jose until December 17th in his last season. At the moment it doesn't look like Utd can afford to hang on until then. They may well be out of 2020 CL places by then. Do you think Utd should wait until then?
If he goes Utd will have sacked 3 managers since Fergie left and I'm afraid that would mean Utd have joined the rest of the league and become a "sacking club". Not the worst but never the less a "sacking club". I know that will hurt a lot of Utd fans but the world has changed and clubs are run by boards of directors who have to answer to shareholders. The players are far more valuable than the managers now and if a team is failing the club have to be seen to be taking action. That action has to be seen to be prudent and sacking the manager is often the cheapest option. I know it's a sad state of affairs but that's how it is.
I don't care if you're biggest club in the world. Utd are now succumbing to the business model adopted by all the other biggest and successful clubs. They have been slow to adopt this model but I understand they are now considering a D of F. This will allow them to get a balanced squad of players and sack managers when things go wrong.
I see your scorpion and raise you 2 wolves...
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life:
“A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.
”It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil–he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”
He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you–and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
He needs to go - Tell him he is under Disciplinary investigation for bullying. He can go on garden leave until investigation is completed or go under a settlement agreement.
Get his signature on the paperwork by lunchtime today and let Carrick and McKenna look after the team until a replacement is found.
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I know it's a terrible newspaper but your mum Cnutis does get occasionally get info from the club.
On the other hand it's very easy to make up that story and it would probably play out exactly as it's written to be fair.
Edit:"Your man" not your mum.
sorry Steve!
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One of the best if not the best posts I've seen in this thread.
I would give it to Leonardo Jardim. Has done well at Monaco, built a really good side, made Bakayoko look good, Fabinho look good and resurrected Falcao. He toppled Peps City a few years ago and had his side ripped apart the following summer.
Effectively Pogba is already on strike. Due to the controversy with Mourinho he has been largely silent on instagram for 4-5 days now.
You can bet that he was probably down to do some sort of promo work in that time and he has not been able to do it because it will just stir controversy rather than positive PR.
This will get to Woodward because it is affecting HIS own turf. Marketing and promotions.
If sponsors start saying they are pulling adverts because of controversy caused (and not resolved easily) by Mourinho then he should be gone quicker. If he is falling out with players like Valencia then he has totally lost the plot.
So if we get a further sustained period of instagram silence from the players he will be gone because the commercial demands of the club need to be met and they can't afford all these sterile days when everyone is walking on eggshells because of Jose's latest outburst.
He was on extended vacation post WC. Think he didn't get much game time if he got any at all up until 3rd week of EPL or something similar, and that didn't stop Chelsea to play attacking and attractive football under Sarri without Hazard.
I thought that Faría was holding him down and Jose decided to freshen things up. Thought it was a positive change. But somehow we’ve managed to play even more depressing football than last year, so I really don’t know what’s going on with the staff. I start having doubts if we have a world-class coaching team, because I don’t believe that players like Pogba, Martial, Lukaku or Matic can hardly string two passes together.
Hazard came on in the second game against Arsenal. Chelsea are a different team without Hazard at the moment but yes they still play attacking football without him.
The daily Mail is claiming that Jose is barely on speaking terms with Valencia, seriously if that is the case then surely it’s time to move on, how on Earth is it possible to fall out with Valencia. He seems like the type that even if he doesn’t like you, you ask him to run through a brick wall and he’ll run through a brick wall no questions asked. Seemingly also told Sanchez he won’t play again till his attitude improves, I imagine these are vastly over exaggerated and the papers are just having a field day, but I hope Ed just puts him out of his misery, take the 40mil hit.
Bye Pogba.
Does anybody think he hasn't lost the dressing room? I've said before that "losing the dressing" room isn't a very clear description of what happens when a team fails to function but it will suffice for now.
If there was ever a clear cut case of a manager losing the dressing room, this would be it. His relationship with Pogba and Martial is in tatters, there were rumblings of an issue with Bailly's attitude, Periera is MIA and now recently we hearing of a fallout with Valencia (how does one fallout with Antonio Valencia?) and Sanchez too. Not to mention his problem with Woody and the entire British media. There may very well be others that we don't know about as well.
De Gea hasn't signed that contract that it was suggested he was on the cusp of signing some months ago. Even the club commented on it being close, which seemed pretty concrete.
Rashford is a constant bugbear of the media. I often wonder if his camp are leaking some frustration on his behalf. It seems to be too frequent among too many people. If it was just one pundit making the point, then I'd think nothing of it, but it's continually talked about, despite stats stating he plays an enormous amount of football among both his team mates and peers. There was similar media talk around Welbeck towards the end of the Moyes season, where he played a lot of football but not where he wanted to be playing.
The only fence that seems to have been mended in the last 3 seasons is between the manager and Luke Shaw, but even he could pre-sign with another club in 3 months.
Even if we were playing decent football and winning, the lack of harmony can be damaging. But it just so happens that we are terrible, so I see no reason why the club should allow it to continue. I just don't see how he turns this around by mending relationships, kicking on and playing a style of football that can put together a string of wins.
Late reply to this but all signs don't point to him being unhappy.
Numerous reports have stated he is happy at Manchester United and happy in England. It is just the manager who he has problems with.
I think if Mourinho left you would see a different animal in Pogba.
The thing I have never got in football and please correct me if I am wrong but why are clubs happy to spend the money it would cost (20/30mil) on getting rid of a manager to sign new players so freely and easily but not on paying the gaffer off! Spend that money on a new manager and getting rid of the shocking current one and revitalise the quality we blatantly have. I mean what is 20mil to a club like us! You couldn't even buy someone like Yannick Bolasie for the amount so why not spend that small amount on sackinghim?
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He should go,bring in Eddie Howe next season and give him the support!.
It's clear they have lost faith in him.
I think this is worse than the meltdown at Chelsea(2).
I stuck with Jose for longer than most and thought if only the players would play to their full ability. They never did and he went just before Xmas. This time around the media are whipping up such a storm in early October and Pogba or somebody else within the dressing room keeps leaking bad stuff to the media that I can't see Utd holding out as long as Chelsea.
The sad thing for me is that Jose is probably done at top level football now. That's two top level dressing rooms he's lost now and which club in their right mind would employ him now. It's worse at Utd because they are his first club to not have won a League.
I know I'm talking as if it's a done deal but does anybody think he can turn this around?
There is opportunity for that to happen it would seem. We have tickets, for a fairly high profile champs league game, on open sale! If he's not lost the dressing room, it would seem he's starting to lose the fans.
Cheers wasn't entirely sure just remember that I haven't seen him in couple of games and then he was usually coming on as a sub.
Our profit before tax last year was £26m. The cost of sacking Mourinho would likely wipe that out.
As well as Shaw and DDG, the likes of Martial, Herrera, Mata, Smalling, Young and Jones will all be out of contract by the end of the season, with a limited possibility of them extending given the majority of the squad has seemingly lost faith in his ability to lead the club forward. If I were any of the previously mentioned players, I would absolutely be considering my options if Jose is still managing the club around the time of renewal. Surely the board are aware of this and will take action before long.
The similarity between the Chelsea situation and the current one at United is scary, I honestly did not believe it possible even after being warned endlessly by those who had previously experienced similar issues with Jose - namely Chelsea and Real Madrid fans. I cannot fathom how a manager of Mourinho's experience could manage to alienate himself from his own players on three separate occasions.
No chance he can turn this around. The players simply refuse to play for him and the relationship between himself and the squad continues to deteriorate as new reports of player fallouts come flooding in practically on a daily basis. We're currently a circus act, the laughing stock of British football, and the only way that will end is when the board bite the bullet and pay him his compensation.
I appreciate the clarity of thought and sympathise with Utd's predicament.
Jose seems to divide fans, players, clubs and boards of directors. Chelsea were suckers for him and had him twice. In fairness he won the league on both occasions but meltdown 2 was so painful. As soon as he left the place changed. I honestly think with the squad we had and no champions league football any manager would have won the league after him.
Maybe Utd should do the same?
As for Jose? As sad as it may seem I think his genius has tipped over the edge into a very dark area. Being away from his family probably hasn't helped. He needs to get out of top level club management for his own sake. I love and hate the guy. He even divides me.
Huh I thought it was a Raiola thing. Recall something about Pogba essentially being asked to do a few years in Manchester before a move to Spain.
Whatever the case I'm frustrated with everyone right now. I just want to see us back to playing football without this backdrop of turmoil
Yep so when next we lose or draw it's because the players don't love the club not because of shitty tactics and no attacking plan. Setting up his narrative nice and early
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