Yes, City have spent big, so have we. So is it we have spent badly or could it be City and you could bring Liverpool into the argument as well, are being coached properly?
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Second biggest spenders over the last few years. Getting beaten by teams who's whole squad is worth less than one single United player.
High time to bring Giggsy or Scholesy on board. Don't really see anyone else who could turn this around.
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They might have been silent, but what about the performances of Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial, Mata, etc?
If we have one midfield/attack player who we can say has been doing well this season, it's Pogba.
So 73% want him out.
I think we had a similar poll for Moyes, can anyone dig out the % for out? @Damien ?
I think we had a similar poll for Moyes, can anyone dig out the % for out? @Damien ?
Good enough to have been playing better football last season, good enough to beat Sevilla, good enough not to look second best against Brighton, Wolves, West Ham and Derby.
Too much smoke. Too much controversy. I reckon it's best for both Utd and Mourinho to part ways.
I am guessing It would have been lower. Moyes did not have the same level of haters. And some people here think we are now worse than Moyes era
Indeed he will. The idea hes finished is premature also.
Normal? Over the past 5 years, yes, its normal. It seems to be what United have become. A club where player power rules the roost. And no, the players currently are not shit, far from. Which makes their inability to do the basics bewildering. I mean, how do you become a professional footballer and then forget how to make a simple pass? And Liverpools players are far from shit too. Only they haven't forgot the very basics of the game like ours seemingly have. No amount of coaching or training can result in that.
Over 5 years, 3 managers I would say we haven't spent well. And I do not blame the 3 managers entirely for that because not every signing or lack of was entirely down to them. We have signed some very good players of course, but we've also made a lot of mistakes. We've had a egomaniac signing "galacticos" for the sake of it as well, which were complete disasters. Of the 3 Jose has made the better signings, I don't think many will disagree, but he, the fans and just about everyone not called Edward knew it wasn't yet enough.
Ignoring net spend, because it ignores the fact that our transfer fund doesn't come from needing to sell players off for enormous fees, Liverpool have actually spent more than us under our current managers. Of course that doesnt excuse the performances against West Ham and Brighton but it does show that the barometer by which Premier League champions have to spend, is now much higher. Liverpool spent £180million in the summer. On top of £75million in the January window. In comparison we spent £60million.
So yeh, we have spent a bucket load, but I would argue it is not enough. Not in the Premier League today.
Can't respond until tomorrow but to @Amir yes, good enough to beat them. Mourinhos failings aren't being ignored here, only highlighting the failings of others, players and those in power at the club. Changing manager 3 times hasn't solved these problems, has it?
Sack him. Bring in Thierry Henry as care-manager for the rest of the season, and play the same tactic that Belgium used back in world cup. martial on the left, Sanchez as false 9, Lukaku as Right side target man. Also i think Henry will have the respect from Pogba and martial as well.
Needs to be sacked asap before any more damage is done to the players. He's lost them completely and it'll just get worse.
Give it to McKenna and Carrick for a while until a permanent replacement is decided on.
Give it to McKenna and Carrick for a while until a permanent replacement is decided on.
Its quite hilarious how we should stick to the wrong manager just in order to protect our rep. How about we get rid of this joke and when we get the right guy in charge, we'll back him to the hills.
New centreback? RX Varane as an Option? I like it. This is Exactly the sort of thinking we need from the top Brass. Something E Woodward would not have the forthsight to do.
I see what you did there Thierry Henry.
Found a poll from after he got sacked asking if we agreed with the sacking. 90.2% agreed out of about 1000 people.
I've been pretty much done with Mourinho since he started publicly slating Luke Shaw. The blame he puts on to everybody else has become tedious. He's lost the plot and the dressing room!
He had the perfect opportunity to come out at his press conference today and at least try to convince us he wants to turn things around and that they will do their best. Instead, he continues his criticism of his players! Way to go to boost morale Jose!
He's so clearly wanting to be sacked and must be thinking to himself 'what the hell have I got to do to get my P45 at this place?!'
He had the perfect opportunity to come out at his press conference today and at least try to convince us he wants to turn things around and that they will do their best. Instead, he continues his criticism of his players! Way to go to boost morale Jose!
He's so clearly wanting to be sacked and must be thinking to himself 'what the hell have I got to do to get my P45 at this place?!'
It's not just 3 games though is it? The football has been tumescent for 2 years now. The fans are fed up and rightly so.
I stuck with Jose for the first two seasons but now I've had enough. The football hasn't improved, the results are getting worse and he's showing signs of his Chelsea meltdown.
Some fans want a change. It doesn't make you 'less of a fan' if you're not blindly sticking up for Jose Mourinho. We've had enough.
There were a few polls.
06 Jan 2014: 251 stick (73.6%), 90 sack (26.4%)
25 Feb 2014: 296 sack(?) (80.4%), 72 stay(?) (19.6%)
16 Mar 2014: 37 stay after end of season (8.5%), 400 sack after end of season (91.5%)
Bonus polls:
06 Mar 2014: Would you swap for Martinez or Pochettino?
21 Apr 2015: One year on, what do you think about Moyes now?
There weren't that many votes at the time as I don't think we had front page polls like we do now.
I changed my vote in this poll after the utterly pathetic team that Mourinho picked against West Ham. Playing 5 at the back against West bloody Ham for Christ's sake. Playing Fellini, Matic And Mctominay all in the same team? West Ham hadn't won a game at home before Saturday and he's treating them like they are Real Madrid! They have an old man playing at left back in Zabeletta and Mourinho goes on the defensive. Utterly pathetic team selection and he should be replaced as manager as soon as possible.
What was the point of merging the 2 threads together?
It’s really a no brainer. Jose is divisive personality. I’ve never understood the whole but who out there is better argument as it reads like battered wife syndrome. “He hits me, but I know he loves me...”
The bigger problem is that United is making so much money right now that there’s no incentive to change and there’s no impetus to build a top notch club.
You cannot win long term without ownership that buys into winning championships at the cost of some profit.
Getting rid of Mourinho will not solve the bigger issues, but it will alleviate the apparent toxic environment.
As for downed tools, you have to understand that in all sports belief is king. If the players do not believe in ownership/management eventually there is a psychological impact that affects performance.
The biggest issues I’ve seen started at the end of Fergie’s tenure and haven’t really been addressed properly.
The legacy planning for players has been handled atrociously as has the club’s footballing identity.
This club has wasted loads of money on players of varying styles with no semblance of a clue regarding how they fit together.
The most successful clubs hire managers that fit the club footballing philosophy and work with the manager to obtain players that will fit the philosophy.
A clear out is needed but ultimately a new manager with a district philosophy, a builder/planner is needed to revamp the club.
It’s not amazing revelation. It’s quite simple, but I’m amazed at how many teams across all sports are so clueless about how to develop a winning franchise and maintain it.
The bigger problem is that United is making so much money right now that there’s no incentive to change and there’s no impetus to build a top notch club.
You cannot win long term without ownership that buys into winning championships at the cost of some profit.
Getting rid of Mourinho will not solve the bigger issues, but it will alleviate the apparent toxic environment.
As for downed tools, you have to understand that in all sports belief is king. If the players do not believe in ownership/management eventually there is a psychological impact that affects performance.
The biggest issues I’ve seen started at the end of Fergie’s tenure and haven’t really been addressed properly.
The legacy planning for players has been handled atrociously as has the club’s footballing identity.
This club has wasted loads of money on players of varying styles with no semblance of a clue regarding how they fit together.
The most successful clubs hire managers that fit the club footballing philosophy and work with the manager to obtain players that will fit the philosophy.
A clear out is needed but ultimately a new manager with a district philosophy, a builder/planner is needed to revamp the club.
It’s not amazing revelation. It’s quite simple, but I’m amazed at how many teams across all sports are so clueless about how to develop a winning franchise and maintain it.
Each successful team starts from defense. If you are a big and rich club and your one purchase flops then you go buy another one until back line settles. Thats what needed to be done in the summer. Nothing happened. Dalot has proved that you can get good talent at affordable price if your scouts are doing their job. Fix the defense otherwise every new manager comes he will worry about leaking goals.
The other thread was actually turning useless. I said that there earlier there was no point for it now. The same discussions were running in both threads it's not like there were 2 separate camps. Both sides were talking in both threads.
The "other side" needed to be kicked out of both threads. This will rapidly turn into a black hole after every defeat.
Like el3mel said, the same discussions were happening in both threads.
Is Scholes interested in managing? I would love to see him managing United.
Any other top club would have got rid by now. We’re going to back him all the way to the Europa League unfortunately.
Someone do us all favour and throw a tomato/beer/pie at him tomorrow night.
We knew Jose was a high risk/high reward short term answer to our problems. We danced with the devil and got burned. I actually felt like we were on a steady climb with Jose prior to this season and that he was doing a pretty damn good job; unfortunately, he allowed the lack of signings this summer to impact his mood and basically threw a temper tantrum allowing for his defeatism, negativity, and divisiveness to trickle down to the team before the season ever began. There is no going back now, Jose has made his bed. We have to move on and the sooner the better.
Came over at the end and gave his shirt away too. Luke knows his teammates didn't put a shift in and it isn't all joses fault some people on here should take note
https://www.90min.com/posts/6185370...ates-apologises-to-fans-after-west-ham-defeat
https://www.90min.com/posts/6185370...ates-apologises-to-fans-after-west-ham-defeat
It’s weird to see the vitriol in this thread. It seems like more would rather just have Mourinho gone, than for United to turn it around under him. I’m seriously doubting his ability to take us back to the top and think he needs to be held account for our perfomances this calendar year, but I just want United to compete with the elite again. I hope United win tomorrow and don’t stop winning, and therefore Mourinho and United are successful together again.
Well you don't know them then.
Not a bad shout!! From an arsenal fan too
One main problem with Jose at United is the fact that his family have not joined him in Manchester. This is the first time he has been away from them too. Going home to a empty hotel compared being used to seeing his family on a daily basis previously must have had a effect on him. He just comes across like a isolated figure.
Think he said something along the lines of his son never has come to Manchester, but has been to Paris and watched one of their games a year ago.
Think he said something along the lines of his son never has come to Manchester, but has been to Paris and watched one of their games a year ago.
No chance Jose will remain manager for the entire season, he has lost the dressing room completely and once that happens it's all but over.
Personally, I think it will happen within the next couple of weeks. The board won't want to run the risk of missing out on CL qualification again.
IF he is to stay Woodward needs to reign him in in terms of his public statements. He is the gift that keeps on giving as far as the media are concerned. He keeps stirring the shit pot. It is unsavoury and attracting a lot of negative coverage for United.
I was with him until the West Ham line up. Even before a ball was kicked I had lost my support for him. Such a negative line up it was the most underwhelming pile of shite I have ever seen from united.
Atleast when we had shit players fergie would play attacking and go for it still not just stick a load of giants on the field and see what happens.
I’m disgusted by some of the players attitude though. It goes deeper than the managers tactics. We need a change one way or another and now.
Atleast when we had shit players fergie would play attacking and go for it still not just stick a load of giants on the field and see what happens.
I’m disgusted by some of the players attitude though. It goes deeper than the managers tactics. We need a change one way or another and now.
The players aren't good enough but he should surely be able to get more out of them. He's in his third year we should not be in this mess. And short of a fullback he has signed an entire starting XI:
Lukaku - bad signing
Ibra - short term, gone
Sanchez - terrible so far
Mkhitaryan - didn't work out - gone
Pogba - an absolute clown, fell out with each other
Matic - too slow
Fred - we shall see
Dalot - looks good one for the future though
Lindelof - doesn't look good enough
Bailly - was promising but seems injury prone and Jose doesn't seem to trust him
Grant - what can you say!
That's almost a full team signed by him - why can't he make it work?
Lukaku - bad signing
Ibra - short term, gone
Sanchez - terrible so far
Mkhitaryan - didn't work out - gone
Pogba - an absolute clown, fell out with each other
Matic - too slow
Fred - we shall see
Dalot - looks good one for the future though
Lindelof - doesn't look good enough
Bailly - was promising but seems injury prone and Jose doesn't seem to trust him
Grant - what can you say!
That's almost a full team signed by him - why can't he make it work?
We need to get the next manager in asap so he can have a fair idea of where the level of quality of our squad is and make proper changes in the next 2 window. Going imo the summer with someone who still has to evaluate the squad would be asking for trouble next season.
The board are even more clueless. They won’t sack him until we are officially out of the CL qualification running.
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