And you're lying to yourself buddy.Jesus you're limited aren't you
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Don't worry about it, if there's one mystery Einstein won't be able to solve it's why Sir Alex chose Moyes as his successor.
Well, actually I know the answer to that, He was drunk.
First thing I want to say is that all the abuse people throw at each other in this discussion is really unnecessary. If you have to resort to personal attacks to prove your point you're degrading your posts and also the points you are trying to make.
Regarding Mourinho, I'm getting a bit fed up with him on several areas, but the main point is the lack of attacking mentality that he seems to go into games with. We get get pushed the first few minutes, maybe come away with it without the other team getting a shot on goal, and then press back, maybe get a goal and immediately drop back and defend for our lives in fear of conceding.
When teams that are underdogs come to Old Trafford and constantly press us/has more possession than us that is never going to be positive. Mourinho wants us to counter attack but it seems we never train on these counters so for every match we counter we have to get into the rhythm by trying it out anew every time. Player positioning also seem to need a lot more focus when it comes to these situations, as our counters can break down before it even starts a lot of time. The hoofball has been discussed a lot on this forum so I'm not going to talk about that.
Our players need better coaching in attack, and we need another backup plan than hoofball.
When it comes to Mourinho and our players, he seems to be unable to man-manage a lot of them. Martial, Pogba, Rashford and Lukaku are some examples of players who has not improved under Mourinho, Sanchez is still yet to be seen doing anything good on the pitch other than glimpses here and there.
This is why I want Mourinho out, because other than our start to the last season we seem unable to attack and if our defence is as bad as he makes them out to be, then maybe it's time to try something new.
Also, the video of Carragher talking about Pogba and how he won't be better under someone else, that remains to be seen. Pogba is a good player and it might be that playing in such an unstable team is not doing him any favors. He might be suited to another tactic or playing with different players. Then again, this might be his best. One thing is for sure, Carragher can't know this for sure. Just as every other pundit, he is stating his opinion, not facts, opinions.
Regarding Mourinho, I'm getting a bit fed up with him on several areas, but the main point is the lack of attacking mentality that he seems to go into games with. We get get pushed the first few minutes, maybe come away with it without the other team getting a shot on goal, and then press back, maybe get a goal and immediately drop back and defend for our lives in fear of conceding.
When teams that are underdogs come to Old Trafford and constantly press us/has more possession than us that is never going to be positive. Mourinho wants us to counter attack but it seems we never train on these counters so for every match we counter we have to get into the rhythm by trying it out anew every time. Player positioning also seem to need a lot more focus when it comes to these situations, as our counters can break down before it even starts a lot of time. The hoofball has been discussed a lot on this forum so I'm not going to talk about that.
Our players need better coaching in attack, and we need another backup plan than hoofball.
When it comes to Mourinho and our players, he seems to be unable to man-manage a lot of them. Martial, Pogba, Rashford and Lukaku are some examples of players who has not improved under Mourinho, Sanchez is still yet to be seen doing anything good on the pitch other than glimpses here and there.
This is why I want Mourinho out, because other than our start to the last season we seem unable to attack and if our defence is as bad as he makes them out to be, then maybe it's time to try something new.
Also, the video of Carragher talking about Pogba and how he won't be better under someone else, that remains to be seen. Pogba is a good player and it might be that playing in such an unstable team is not doing him any favors. He might be suited to another tactic or playing with different players. Then again, this might be his best. One thing is for sure, Carragher can't know this for sure. Just as every other pundit, he is stating his opinion, not facts, opinions.
Wow, the level of naivety with this one is strong.
You've taken his words in the literal sense. It's clear that word applies to you
Why did Ed Woodward extend Mourinho's contract if He's actually a Mourinho out?
That guy, Eddy, He's such a liar. I can see it in his eyes and behaviors.
That guy, Eddy, He's such a liar. I can see it in his eyes and behaviors.
Unfortunately yes I do.
You've taken his words in the literal sense. It's clear that word applies to you
So then when Mourinho says he wanna make us more attacking, what does that mean?
Yeah fair enough. I think there's two extremes here amongst the many rational posters: Ones who solely blame Jose and the ones who absolve him of any blame and blindly defend him. Both are as deluded as each other but funnily enough, both think they're 100% right.
What are you even on about?
So what is the correct way to play Sevilla you tactical genius. Perhaps you would like to enlighten as seeing as Liverpool failed to beat them twice in last season's CL, and Real Madrid literally just got spanked 3-0 by them...
So then when Mourinho says he wanna make us more attacking, what does that mean?
Just don't quote me anymore. You go off on weird tangents and end up arguing in circles for the sake of it.
Is it the same Sevilla that prior to beating us have lost like 5 consecutive games in La Liga?
Are you honestly arguing that the only way we could have gone past Sevilla is through defending for our lives and hoping to go through the penalties?
I'm still waiting for the answer for yesterday's question dude, or is your answer against your narrative so you choose to withhold it?
Why should @Fracture90 know when Jose himself didn't know
- Jose restricted the team that day. Obvious from the way we played & the players he chose & the excuses he made.Hey dude you've established yourself to be Mourinho's translator for figurative sense of his words, so now since I've fallen into trap taking some of his words in literally, I'm asking for your help in deciphering what he really meant to say, you know figuratively / metaphorically, whatever it is.
Also can you be kind and also translate the true meaning of his words behind his flirt with PSG?
He also said that many Sevilla players would get into his team - that is an incredibly odd way to deflect criticism from the performance and his players.
Of course anyone is entitled to claim that Mourinho is a scheming genius who is constantly playing mind games and his every uttering is carefully calculated. But a far simpler explanation is that he's a narcissistic prick who is butthurt when anyone dares to criticise him (see the "I won three league titles" embarassment").
Yes, that Sevilla. Nope, I'm arguing that Liverpool - who play on the front foot - failed to beat them twice in last season's CL, and Real Madrid - who play on the front foot - got beaten 3-0 by Sevilla yesterday. So it isn't quite as simple as saying that it was 'sitting back in our own half not bothering to press' was the reason that we lost.
What question was that dude? And did it make any sense?
But we didn't play the same Sevilla under Emery Liverpool played 3 years ago, nor have we played the same Sevilla Madrid played last week. We played Sevilla who were dreadful under Montella, eventually he got the sack for it before the end of the season. Sevilla that has finished 7th, that Sevilla.
Hey to make things even more interesting Montella was appointed in December 2017 and managed to eliminate us from CL in February 2018 all whilst making Sevilla look amazing against us, playing some lovely attacking football as well.
By your logic you might as well ask if it's the same Sevilla that was relegated in 1996.
You can go back and find it easy, can't be that you didn't get alert for it?
Good god - was it the same Sevilla that Liverpool played last season?
Mate, I was getting alerts right left and centre from slavering anti-Mourinho attack dogs yesterday - if you're so desperate for me to answer your fecking question you're going to have to ask it again.
Nope, Sevilla that played Liverpool was under Berizzo, Sevilla that played us was under Montella.
Not as much as you're desperate not to answer it.
Feck me you're clutching now. Firstly, it was the same team, during the same season. Secondly Sevilla did so poorly in the first half of the season (i.e. when Liverpool played them) that they sacked Berizzo, even though he'd just come back from cancer treatment. They did similarly poorly under Montella and sacked him too. I'm not trying to say that we shouldn't have beaten them, I'm saying that Liverpool didn't beat them playing their super-duper brand of attacking football, and in fact Sevilla scored 5 goals against them across 2 games - so given Mourinho's excellent record in cup competitions I don't blame him for keeping things tight. The performance was very disappointing and the players were shit though I'll give you that.
Do you really believe that you and your posts are so important that I remember your post and know what question you are talking about? I must have answered about 100 posts yesterday and you're just going to have to accept that I don't remember yours. Like I say, if you weally, weally, want an answer then just ask me!
Random shower thought.
If Jose knew that Phil Jones was going to miss his penalty... why didn't he like try coach him or something? Like tell him to power it down the middle or have Grant take a penalty before him...
Not really a criticism... was just something I was thinking about.
If Jose knew that Phil Jones was going to miss his penalty... why didn't he like try coach him or something? Like tell him to power it down the middle or have Grant take a penalty before him...
Not really a criticism... was just something I was thinking about.
what I don't understand is why big agricultural type players like Phil Jones don't just understand their limitations and smash it as hard as they can straight down the middle. Don't try and place it when you have the deftness of a drunk rhinoceros!
Don't think Phil Jones is cut out for farming, he would probably injure himself working with those tools.
Both of them need to go. Jose right away, Pogba in the summer.
Well, to be fair Phil Jones being a bit dim isn't really a shocker...
Also, if i recall, he went for power against Sunderland, and ballooned it, so he probably decided that the exact opposite (hitting it with all the speed and intensity of lowering someone into their grave) would be the right way to go.
But yeah, i'm surprised nobody just said to him to put it down the middle... if in doubt, it's the best way to go.
I'm clutching now? Are you being serious or are you trying to undermine the importance of manager in team's performance? For you everything that doesn't sit well with you, no matter how factual it may be, it's clutching straws.
I just told you it wasn't the same Sevilla that Liverpool didn't manage to beat, but didn't lose to them either tho. And I told you it wasn't the same Sevilla that had beaten Madrid this weekend. What is so hard to understand there?
That last part tho, you refuse to blame Mourinho for anything, so why would it be any different with Sevilla game and post match comments.
He's bang on isn't he? People talk about Pogba's performances for France at the world cup but let's be honest he wasn't even that great.
Edit: I'm in the Jose out camp now, but this should not be the same as Pogba or Jose.
I am telling you that neither managerial approach led to defeating Sevilla in the CL last season, from Liverpool or United - so it's not so simple to say that if Mourinho had adopted different tactics we would have won. Which is what you were implying in your earlier posts.
I'm still waiting for that question!
Anyone that won't admit that Carragher is bang on has let their hatred of Mourinho eclipse their love of the club.
People saying Mourinho wasn't being disrespectful to the club with his "heritage" rant should make me think of sheep but sheep are fluffy not prickly
I have no issue if the club sell Pogba as long as Jose also goes, that my stance. Jose needs to go, whatever players also leave and are replaced if thats what the new manager wants then fair enough.
However, it is not a fact that Pogba couldn't be better under a different manager at United same as probably every single outfield player. So I disagree with his point that we wouldn't see a different Pogba if Jose left which is what Carraghers says
I think those who follow that line, are on the other end of the spectrum and are blinded by their hatred of Pogba to be objective.
Both side of the arguments Jose out brigade and Pogba out brigade lack objectivity it isn't just one.
Poor tradesmen always blame their tools
FWIW Pogba is my favourite United player - no hatred of him, only of the fact that he is taking us for a ride for the second time in his career.
Who's clutching again? Not only that you're clutching but again you're deflecting. Liverpool played against Sevilla that was under Berizzo, we played against Montella's team proving that you're argument doesn't hold, it wasn't the same Sevilla, not to mention how ludicrous your "Sevilla that have beaten Madrid 3:0" is considering it's a whole new different team in question. Who's to say Liverpool wouldn't beat Montella's Sevilla considering how Liverpool managed to beat all the attacking sides up to the final game.
Liverpool tried to beat them and only managed to draw, not to mention it was group stage, you know, not elimination round, whilst we never tried, we started cowardly and finished cowardly, getting kicked out.
Bayern Munich managed to beat them despite themselves changing like 3 managers that season…and they managed to do it playing attacking football.
Again no objectivity what so ever.
That post was the equivalent of white noise to me. If you can't remember the question that you were so desperate for me to answer then you and I are finished with this conversation. Good afternoon.
what are you on? Even a fecking scouser has a better idea than you. Mind you, Pogba 'wasn't on your radar' back in 2012 so maybe you're new to this whole football thing.
Again no need to be rude, and no need to make up lies either. You're not viewing the situation with any objectivity because of your anger thats all I am saying.
Has he gone?
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