I think you have a habit of assuming too much, it wasn't a question I expected an answer of, especially from you. Those questions were rhetorical. But who am I trying to school about 'getting the point'?
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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I think you have a habit of assuming too much, it wasn't a question I expected an answer of, especially from you. Those questions were rhetorical. But who am I trying to school about 'getting the point'?
Seeing people, chelsea fans especially praising Hazard in his thread had me thinking and chuckling about those memories of Mourinho managing to turn Chelsea fans against the guy.
One thing he has is this ability to spout out these rethorics which just easily blend well with fans credulity. The guy can convince people of anything. He managed to convince a section of Chelsea fans that Hazard, Cesc, Costa were the problem. He's done the same here as well and on multiple occasions.
It's gone from Shaw, Martial and now Pogba. Somehow he has kept convincing people that these guys are shit and he's the infallible and blameless component in all these troublesome moments at our club.
One thing he has is this ability to spout out these rethorics which just easily blend well with fans credulity. The guy can convince people of anything. He managed to convince a section of Chelsea fans that Hazard, Cesc, Costa were the problem. He's done the same here as well and on multiple occasions.
It's gone from Shaw, Martial and now Pogba. Somehow he has kept convincing people that these guys are shit and he's the infallible and blameless component in all these troublesome moments at our club.
You could begin to understand Chelsea fans being easily brainwashed by Jose, he did amazing things for them, what the hell is the excuse for Utd fans?
Jose has cleverly turned it into a popularity competition between him and Pogba. So any of us who were sick of him anyway seem to be accused of being Pogba fan boys.
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I agree with all of this and have echoed similar sentiments in the thread. After the Seville game, I found it pretty justifiable that some wanted him gone but I had faith, that after the summer, he would have a team in his mould and we would start playing much better stuff. The actual Seville game (both ties) were absolutely awful games for us, we played horrid stuff and yeah, we seemed ill-prepared and directionless. But looking directionless as a team on the pitch has become a common occurrence, unfortunately. All of this is happening, while plenty of our rivals are showing huge signs of progression. It's an incredibly frustrating time and I can't see how his backers are taking any positives whatsoever.
Again, I agree. He has never once shown before that he is capable of turning around a situation when so much adversity has been created. The cracks were starting to appear last season but I feel we've become a more dysfunctional mess both on and off the pitch since then. If I had an inkling of hope that he could turn us around, then fine, but there are literally no signs of it happening and that's why I feel he needs to go. I do feel unfortunately that things will get a whole lot worse before he is removed.
You clearly didn't understand his point in the press conference and were busy taking it in a literal sense of form. The discussion about Sevilla is lost on you.
I think the spurs game last season was enough for me
Even though I was pissed off plenty of times last season, I had faith that we would look a far better team this season. Maybe that was blind faith on my part.
Has anyone said that?
Why is it when it comes to bashing Jose there's absolutely no mitigating circumstances whatsoeve
Are people saying he is the singular season why we are struggling? Or maybe, just maybe he is contributing to our present issues? To pretend Pogbas comments and behaviour has been anything but damage to our campaign thus far is laughable.
So you're heaping praise on him for what he's achieved so far. I would dissagree with that considering how so many players have underachieved since coming under his wing. Examples: Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Bailly. Martial is performing worse under him than under VG. He's failed to develop Rashford further in his career. Lindelöv is a big mistake imo as many (incl Rio) would go along with.
Looking ahead, how do you see him turning this ongoing negative trend around? Because I'm finding it difficult, looking at his recent history, how that is possible.
The meltdown has begun it's there to be seen. Chelsea has already been mentioned. The longer they kept him the worse it became and the lower they plunged in the PL. Should we risk that happen to us? RM got rid when the rot started to set in and after he'd fallen out with Ramos, Casillas and Ronaldo. Two of these were brilliant for the club after he'd gone.
We should do the same!
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Agreed. Think it's going to get really messy.
I see it as a very collective blame with a huge amount of blame portioned to Mourinho. Anyone saying it's just Mourinho is wrong as there's far more to it, but I feel he certainly has to take some accountability and he has to go.
We finished 6th in his first year ,right?
Teams like Bayern Munich don't just go around picking the managers just based on their CV, they take everything into consideration, style of football, managers temper, how he conducts himself, manners, off pitch behaviour etc. I'm sure Mourinho would be delighted at the prospect of managing Bayern, like he was at the prospect of managing Barcelona back in 2008, just like Barca back then, don't think Bayern would hire him.
If you've been following you'd know people want to enjoy football and watching us play.
Liverpool had to sell their best player (Coutinho) in order to reinforce the team in other areas tho still he didn't spend more than Mourinho in total, Guardiola for all he's spent he actually improved a lot of his players, whilst Poch has improved his entire squad without spending hundreds of millions.
You're just a gift that keeps on giving dude.
As it stands that point he was trying to make, as you say he was trying to protect players, even tho he never had issues with throwing the players under the bus prior to that, that point appears to be unable to be understood by anyone other than Mourinho himself and his cultists.
Ssssh! People on this thread don't want to hear this - they just want want to have a hysterical cry-wank about Mourinho and absolve anybody else of any blame whatsoever.
And that's a perfectly fine, balanced view of it. That's not what was contained in those posts I quoted, however.
Isn't that called living in denial?
So many on here saw this kind of season coming with his pre season negativity. Crazy how he put me his players on blast and then needs those same players to perform for him to keep his job.
How many of his signings have been a success? Why is that? Why is Sánchez undroppable yet Martial has to play 10/10 to keep a spot? His management is all over the place. How the hell is he meant to recover this without needing to spend another 400m?
We have a £200m centre midfield excluding Felliani £27m & Herrera £25m and a £75m Striker up front! Why are we so bad?
How many of his signings have been a success? Why is that? Why is Sánchez undroppable yet Martial has to play 10/10 to keep a spot? His management is all over the place. How the hell is he meant to recover this without needing to spend another 400m?
We have a £200m centre midfield excluding Felliani £27m & Herrera £25m and a £75m Striker up front! Why are we so bad?
I didn't find anything special with Sevilla press conference. I hope I won't get shot.
Wow, after spent $400M, you are saying getting 2nd last season was over achievement? what a great endorsement to Mourinho.
You brought up Liverpool, who did they have last season? Milner, Henderson, Arsenal cast-off ox chamberlain, mignolet, Lovern. looked at their starting 11 and our squad at the beginning of the last season (before Salah became Salah, Firmino became Firmino), anyone with little bit logic or IQ going to say our squad was a level better than theirs. But their coach made the team better.
I am sorry, I don't know why this thread has 108 pages. it is very simple: 1) He did not improve the players or team for the money spent on him and players; 2) He did not show signs of controlling his ego; and put himself above the club again and again. Therefore he should be sacked.
Don't bring up the next coach discussion, that is another issue we will deal later. but right now we deal this problem first.
I'm only talking about the sevilla press conference. He refused to throw players under the bus on that occasion and gave the press a contraversial story to write about instead.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...d-tearful-manchester-united-players-l327cwbx5
God I used to laugh at that face when he wasn't our manager
Please don't quote me. Ever.
Touché
This is just next level mental gymnastics dude.
You're aware that people were slamming Mourinho for his cowardly tactics against Sevilla, right? Players didn't get nearly as much slack as he did, and that's why he was waving his CV and rubbing in his past success against us to prove he ain't shiit.
Why would he be playing 8D chess to save players from criticism when it was obvious to everyone and their socks it was on Mourinho, because in 2 games against we didn't even have 5 shoots on goal and all because of his uber defensive approach in that match.
I think this poster has always been a bit butt hurt that Jose took LVGs job and the knives have been out since day one. Probably one of them numpties that hailed LVG for inventing the back 3 (see the name) or said LVG would lay the foundations for success by the next manager
God I used to laugh at that face when he wasn't our manager
He actually said that they (Sevilla) were good at holding the ball and hiding it from us…
Well Jose that happens when you have your team just sitting back on your half never ever bothering to press a bit for a change.
What is the point you're trying to make? I find your posts tiresome. I've explained to you that he deflected from the performance by talking about himself. Its not next level gymnastics, its actually a common tactic.
Although going by your inability to understand it probably is next level gymnastics.
I think this poster has always been a bit butt hurt that Jose took LVGs job and the knives have been out since day one. Probably one of them numpties that hailed LVG for inventing the back 3 (see the name) or said LVG would lay the foundations for success by the next manager
So so true! You know me very well. Whilst I assume you were the type of fan that assumed Jose was the key to success at United & also the best guy to take over from. LVG
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That even Mourinho would find it strange the way you're trying to justify his post Servilla interview.
Let me guess - you've never managed anyone?
Sorry, how on earth is Pogba an immediate problem for us right now? Yes he's been acting like a spoilt brat at times and yes we might even sell him next season but what the feck do you think we should do now? Sell Pogba first because he's at fault for our shit football for the past 2 seasons? If we sell him as you seen to want us to so desperately our our problems will be solved?
Wow, the level of naivety with this one is strong.
He was deflating the heat from the players with that speach, I have heard it all now...
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