The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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Maybe we will become better or maybe not. To think that our 4 CBs will become a better unit once Jose leaves is somewhat unconvincing for me.
I don't think it is a no brainer.

The attacking unit will definitely get better as will the midfield. That alone should compensate for any defensive weaknesses - and that same defence was capable of winning Europa League and finishing second.

Mourinho acting like a dick to Pogba when he enters training seems like a designed move from Jose for the cameras. He could have cleared all this up with the whoever the guy is before hand. But he deliberately chose to do it in front of the media cameras. Jose tries to divides opinions wherever he goes and tries to get fans against each other. I think it was another attempt at changing the conversation from his failings and loss in the game yesterday. The whole stripping him of vice-captaincy and yesterday's drama seems orchestrated to me.

If you have a manager who sets the tone like this, then what can we expect from the players. When Fergie criticises the press, you believed him because he wasn’t a media whore and he was not a fraud. He said it as it was. Jose is a schemer, loves the drama and the attention and now he’s got a star player whose able to play him at his own game he can’t control him.
 
What ever, if he is trying to get a reaction from him and the whole squad, that's works for me.

And we sure need one.

Trying to create a feud with a player because of a stupid video is an asinine way to get a reaction out of him. Don't think it'll work either. Only thing it'll do is create more animosity between the two. The stupidest part is that Pogba has been playing really well this season. It's not like he has been half arseing it.
 
Love how jose fans keep bringing this up. Hes also a proven cnut, how come that doesnt seem to be an issue? he certainly has no love for this club, so i dont understand the fierce loyalty from some of you.

Then they start crying that they’ve been called ‘Loyalists’ and ‘cultists’. It is downright weird. Wenger was once a winner too.. so we should bring him in next? Sir Bobby won everything, maybe call him out of retirement. Stick a fork in Jose he’s done.
 
Agree 100%, just give him and our team some time to settle down, my little finger tells me we'll do a "Manchester United" this season and all the moaners will be put to sleep. We have a more than decent team, one of the best managers in the world, we have history, it's just that our morale is not where we expect it to be. :p

Btw, the poll result is shocking, a bunch of classless fans here, not like some years ago.
How fantastically lucky we are as fans to be alive in such an age, to bear witness to the artistry that Jose Mourinho hath crafted for us. A true privilege indeed!
 
Mourinho acting like a dick to Pogba when he enters training seems like a designed move from Jose for the cameras. He could have cleared all this up with the whoever the guy is before hand. But he deliberately chose to do it in front of the media cameras. Jose tries to divides opinions wherever he goes and tries to get fans against each other. I think it was another attempt at changing the conversation from his failings and loss in the game yesterday. The whole stripping him of vice-captaincy and yesterday's drama seems orchestrated to me.
They've both been dicks to each other. Can't help but feel we're getting played getting dragged into this war between two man-children. The bigger issue here is we want a better style of play, better quality of results and a more stable less controversial manager oversee it. If the package deal means booting Pogba then so be it but I'd rather that decision be made by the next person not the current moaner in chief who amazingly has now somehow unsettled key dressing room figures in 4 of his last 5 jobs.

Seriously this must be a managerial record for serial dysfunction
 
Trying to create a feud with a player because of a stupid video is an asinine way to get a reaction out of him. Don't think it'll work either. Only thing it'll do is create more animosity between the two. The stupidest part is that Pogba has been playing really well this season. It's not like he has been half arseing it.
Trying to create a feud with a player because of a stupid video is an asinine way to get a reaction out of him. Don't think it'll work either. Only thing it'll do is create more animosity between the two. The stupidest part is that Pogba has been playing really well this season. It's not like he has been half arseing it.

We don't know the details, few weeks down the line when results improve it can all fizzle out.
 
It's crazy, when Mourinho took over, I thought the naysayers were totally mental. For me, his last season at Chelsea was down to player power and an owner that didn't back him / is renowned for being trigger happy. I was actually delighted when Chelsea sacked him as I fully believed that he would turn it around. So when we appointed him, I was absolutely delighted and I thought we had finally gotten a proven winner in with good leadership qualities and a manager who would be able to attract the best talents to the club. How fecking wrong was I?

Early on in his reign, Jose was saying all the right things and looked happy to be here. But slowly but surely he started to make negative comments about the squad being pretty shit and any failures would have to be attributed to them and not him. That should have been a massive red flag but I think plenty agreed that the squad did need a shape up. Well, he's now into his third season and the football is worse than when he took over, he's causing nothing but drama and giving the media ample opportunity to slate us at every turn, the squad looks a disjointed mess akin to LvG's reign and the tactics and team selections seem utterly directionless ans he is hanging players out to dry / exiling players etc.

Funnily enough, all of this is happening and Jose wants to be exonerated from, and absolved of any blame for the current state of affairs. He played his cards well, before the season started and was already sniping at Woodward, then the insinuations that squad isn't good enough started, then the Pogba fallout got far worse and is being played out in the public domain. Don't get me wrong, Pogba can feck off too, but Mourinho has handled the situation - the situation that he created - absolutely woefully. At the end of the day, he's the manager, he's there to manage players, these types of situations etc, but he's acted like a petulant child.

Then we had that famous half hour against Spurs: Oh that half hour. For me as a United fan, it was one of the most surreal reactions to a game that I have ever witnessed. I'm convinced some people are more Jose fans than United fans. We got mauled at home by Spurs and some were celebrating the game because eh Mourinho 'tried' to play the right way. I'm sorry, but the actually feck? Do people not think at home we should be going out and attacking teams every single week? Remember the days when Old Trafford was an absolute fortress and teams would be shitting it going there. But nah, now we celebrate a defeat to a massively out of sorts Spurs, because y'know, we tried to attack them. Funnily enough, once they sussed us out, they cut us open time-and-again. But I mean, this is where we are at for some people, they want to celebrate utter mediocrity and failure, all in the name of backing their man.

If I thought for a second that Mourinho could turn this around, transform our style of play and stop with the negative bullshit, I would be happy to keep him to save us from more upheaval. The thing is, I just don't see it happening and I believe the rot has well and truly set in. I'm sure his biggest defenders will be calling people 'kneejerk' etc, but they're deluded if they think people have reached this juncture after like 4 or 5 games. We may have finished 2nd least season but it was a most un-inspirational 2nd place finish and the cracks were clearly starting to appear. Some have also bought into this rhetoric that Mourinho is some sort of martyr that is fighting a crusade against the big bad anti-United media. Erm, I hope these people realise that Mourinho is the cause of the negativity in the media and once he goes, I'm confident that all this supposed 'anti-United' stuff will stop. The media are loving this as he is giving them nothing but ammo at every single turn and for some reason Mourinho continues to feed them on a near daily basis.

This won't get better until he is gone and that's my viewpoint that is only being strengthened by the week. There's plenty of collective blame though and Woodward needs to be moved to a commercial role with a DOF coming in. The squad is also full of players that simply aren't good enough and need to be moved on, too. I'm sure most fans that want Mourinho out can also see this, despite what the apologists will try to insinuate. Is he solely to blame? No. Can a huge part of the blame be apportioned to him? Yes. He is a massive part of the problem and as such, he should be removed from his position. Do I expect us to become a swashbuckling machine that will storm to the PL title when he goes? Nope, this is just a silly claim made his fans that people think this will happen. However, I do think we will start to play better football and a-lot of the media circus will cease.
 
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Yeah, lineups just prove that both teams played second teams apart from of course a few players. If by control you mean more possession then yes, they had slightly more. Liverpool had more chances though. Anyway, I couldn't care less and I am not making any excuses for our shit performances. Just thought your comment sounded like Chelsea were completely outplaying Liverpool at Anfield playing 2nd team against Liverpool's best which is simply not true. Next league game will show what's what.

That's because you misunderstood the point of my comment, which is Sarri instilling his football style, system, tactics, philosophy call it whatever you want, in less than 3 months even to their 2nd team and making them look more cohesive than we even were under Mourinho.
 
Absolutely. That's actually what I wanted from the Van Gaal signing. A coach figure who could transform our playstyle drastically and leave a strong impression for (hopefully) others to build on. Sadly he failed miserably at it. And Jose doesn't seem to be that kind of manager at all.

Hence we've ended up with a team of expensive players but not much direction or tactical imprint (at least worth commending).

Pretty much. As only poster has pointed out, some people are here would make you believe in order to play attractive football you need at least 3+ years in charge of that club + starting 11 and full squad of the players you signed. :rolleyes:
 
Perhaps we are looking at this wrong. Maybe Mourinho knows hes not going to do any better here and rather than tarnish his reputation further is angling for the sack as well? Hes already planned to leave early, as he hasnt put any roots down in the area, living out of an hotel for nearly the past 2 1/2 years. The best we will do this season is top 4 and maybe an FA cup win if lucky. Just a thought.
 
Pretty much. As only poster has pointed out, some people are here would make you believe in order to play attractive football you need at least 3+ years in charge of that club + starting 11 and full squad of the players you signed. :rolleyes:

Our problems start as soon as we drop deep after first goal and start playing long balls with any pressing from front to the middle, and when Matic is missing or not in top form we have severe problems. We have enormous potential if we keep hold of the ball much better and press from the front and play along the ground. Managers stubbornness is definitely holding us back though some of the players have to play a lot better than they are playing.
 
That's what he wants you to think - do Derby and Wolves really have better players than us?
So if a team has better players, does that mean they will always win against a weaker team? Does it mean City should fire Pep?

The problem with this kind of thinking is that we're only 6 games in to the season. If it keeps happening after we've had a bigger sample to evaluate then we should really be concerned. Not that we shouldn't be concerned at all now, but people shouldn't be hysterical.
 
So if a team has better players, does that mean they will always win against a weaker team? Does it mean City should fire Pep?

The problem with this kind of thinking is that we're only 6 games in to the season. If it keeps happening after we've had a bigger sample to evaluate then we should really be concerned. Not that we shouldn't be concerned at all now, but people shouldn't be hysterical.

A bigger sample? Jesus. Why do the guys that support Jose think this is just about the last 6/7 games?
 
A bigger sample? Jesus. Why do the guys that support Jose think this is just about the last 6/7 games?
I don't support Jose, I support United and am trying to be rational, unlike all the fans in here going hysterical after a league cup loss.

If it's not about this season then why was he allowed to continue? Clearly the people above didn't think there was a problem.
 
We don't know the details, few weeks down the line when results improve it can all fizzle out.

Hope you are right. But I am not too sure because some kind of Jose drama has been on since the pre-season. First it was bitching about not having players for the pre-season, then transfers, then a couple of fachts rants about his greatness, and now this. Things have shown no signs of abating so far.
 
I don't support Jose, I support United and am trying to be rational, unlike all the fans in here going hysterical after a league cup loss.

Thing is you are missing the point. Your views are now in the minority and are contrary to all factual evidence being presented to you on an almost weekly basis. You’re irrational by supporting his continued reign.
 
So if a team has better players, does that mean they will always win against a weaker team? Does it mean City should fire Pep?

The problem with this kind of thinking is that we're only 6 games in to the season. If it keeps happening after we've had a bigger sample to evaluate then we should really be concerned. Not that we shouldn't be concerned at all now, but people shouldn't be hysterical.

You might not always win but you should be playing better. We don't play good football that is pretty much a fact at this point, when you don't play well you're less likely to win games.
 
Also @Janson This is not just about 6 games. Last season we didn't play well either Sevilla home and away, Tottenham away, Newcastle away plus many other games.
 
They've both been dicks to each other. Can't help but feel we're getting played getting dragged into this war between two man-children. The bigger issue here is we want a better style of play, better quality of results and a more stable less controversial manager oversee it. If the package deal means booting Pogba then so be it but I'd rather that decision be made by the next person not the current moaner in chief who amazingly has now somehow unsettled key dressing room figures in 4 of his last 5 jobs.

Seriously this must be a managerial record for serial dysfunction

It'll be nice to have an idea of what's going on. I agree that the actual football on the pitch and our season gets lost in all this nonsense. As fans all we want to see is some good football and possible a win every weekend. These kind of extras end up souring the mood after a win, forget after a loss.

I wouldn't mind if we appointed a caretaker manager after the International break and see if results and football can improve after Jose is gone. If a Dof/Techinical director is appointed, he in conjunction with the caretaker can assess the squad and then we can make proper decisions in the summer with inputs from the new manager (Hopefully, Pochettino).

It's sad that our season is already kind of a write off. And I have had the feeling since the transfer window closed. I simply cannot how this gets better with Jose in charge.
 
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Agree 100%, just give him and our team some time to settle down, my little finger tells me we'll do a "Manchester United" this season and all the moaners will be put to sleep. We have a more than decent team, one of the best managers in the world, we have history, it's just that our morale is not where we expect it to be. :p

Btw, the poll result is shocking, a bunch of classless fans here, not like some years ago.

If this isn't satire, I'm almost in admiration at the level of blind loyalty.
 
I don't support Jose, I support United and am trying to be rational, unlike all the fans in here going hysterical after a league cup loss.

If it's not about this season then why was he allowed to continue? Clearly the people above didn't think there was a problem.
It's never been an isolated game that's caused the criticism and I don't know why some try to make it out as such. It's been around two years of horrible football.

The board probably didn't think it was a problem, no. The majority on here knew it would come back to bite us, though. This seasons struggles come as no surprise to most who looked past finishing 2nd and actually took our performances as a team into account.
 
Clearly the people above didn't think there was a problem.
So now we’re using the board and Woodward as a baramoter of fine football related decisions? Those guys are as inept as it gets, they stuck with LvG when he was dead man walking too, we have a reactive management.
 
Both Mourinho and pogba are in the wrong. Mourinho needs to sort this circus act out behind closed doors. Knew the cameras were there and wanted to make a point. Pogba shouldn't be making Instagram videos while his team are playing. Taking the piss while the team is playing. He won't get away with that at any other big club. Imagine him doing that at Barcelona sitting in stands. I'm sure you would have Messi and co not tolerating that kind of shite. All about himself. Think both Mourinho and Pogba both toxic to the club and want both gone. Get in DOF that can work closely with new manager implement good ideas/strategies and player recruitment. Everyone on the same path and vision. This may take another 2-3 years to see benefits but as long as they bring attacking football that is what Man Utd is about.
 
This poll :lol:

Went from Yes 53% to Yes 48% after the three wins in a row, now up to Yes 59%. Imagine this forum also being the board. We'd have a new manager every month.
 
Thing is you are missing the point. Your views are now in the minority and are contrary to all factual evidence being presented to you on an almost weekly basis. You’re irrational by supporting his continued reign.
Your opinion is affected by what Jose says and how he is as a person, that to me is not rational. I know you don't like his football either but we're 6 games in to the season. We would probably had to have lost 5 out of those for him to be sacked now.

If we're still this bad in two months than I'll be happy to see him leave. When I say bad, I mean result wise not how entertaining we are. Couldn't care less about that.
 
Your opinion is affected by what Jose says and how he is as a person, that to me is not rational. I know you don't like his football either but we're 6 games in to the season. We would probably had to have lost 5 out of those for him to be sacked now.

If we're still this bad in two months than I'll be happy to see him leave. When I say bad, I mean result wise not how entertaining we are. Couldn't care less about that.

This.
 
This poll :lol:

Went from Yes 53% to Yes 48% after the three wins in a row, now up to Yes 59%. Imagine this forum also being the board. We'd have a new manager every month.
What it tells us is that a lot of people have started judging him on a game by game basis and when it gets to that point you know the manager is a dead man walking.
 
Your opinion is affected by what Jose says and how he is as a person, that to me is not rational. I know you don't like his football either but we're 6 games in to the season. We would probably had to have lost 5 out of those for him to be sacked now.

If we're still this bad in two months than I'll be happy to see him leave. When I say bad, I mean result wise not how entertaining we are. Couldn't care less about that.
You keep bangin' on about being 6 games in to the season. The football we play is a continuation of the shite we've been playing for a lot longer than 6 games.
 
Your opinion is affected by what Jose says and how he is as a person, that to me is not rational. I know you don't like his football either but we're 6 games in to the season. We would probably had to have lost 5 out of those for him to be sacked now.

If we're still this bad in two months than I'll be happy to see him leave. When I say bad, I mean result wise not how entertaining we are. Couldn't care less about that.
Every successful team has a style they play towards. It may not be entertaining like Atletico Madrid, but they all work towards a specfic style. José's had 3 years and hundreds of millions of pounds to spend and can you see a style of play we attempt to play? It's not about being "entertaining" even though it's what a lot of us want. It's the fact that our players still look like strangers to one another on the pitch. We're not going to come close to winning anything like this.
 
Your opinion is affected by what Jose says and how he is as a person, that to me is not rational. I know you don't like his football either but we're 6 games in to the season. We would probably had to have lost 5 out of those for him to be sacked now.

If we're still this bad in two months than I'll be happy to see him leave. When I say bad, I mean result wise not how entertaining we are. Couldn't care less about that.
This whole calendar year we have been an absolute joke, it’s not about 6 games and you know that yourself so stop playing the ‘rational’ card.

Why 2 months deadline from you then? You just have a higher tolerance to the shite than the rest, that’s the only difference.
 
Every successful team has a style they play towards. It may not be entertaining like Atletico Madrid, but they all work towards a specfic style. José's had 3 years and hundreds of millions of pounds to spend and can you see a style of play we attempt to play? It's not about being "entertaining" even though it's what a lot of us want. It's the fact that our players still look like strangers to one another on the pitch. We're not going to come close to winning anything like this.

We finished ahead of Klopp and Poch who had their popular styles last season. If that's the case I'm happy under Jose as long as he keeps us above them at least.

I'm sure Jose has his way he wants to consistently set out the team. Its just hampered this season by the lack of preferred transfers and Pogba destabilising the morale and being a general dick with continued inconsistent performances.
 
I don't support Jose, I support United and am trying to be rational, unlike all the fans in here going hysterical after a league cup loss.

If it's not about this season then why was he allowed to continue? Clearly the people above didn't think there was a problem.
The people above also thought Van Gaal and Moyes were the men to take charge of the football club. So the men above can often be wrong.
And please don't be under the illusion that you're the only one trying to be rational. Those who don't feel he's the right manager for Manchester United are usually also trying to be rational.
 
The biggest myth to come from all of this is the idea that this is a Pogba vs Mourinho thing. Some of us don't want Jose to leave because of Pogba. We want Jose to leave period. Hopefully Pogba gets dropped so we can stop reducing the discussion to a battle of primadonna egos
Mourinho is simply looking for ways to deflect attention from the bad results on the pitch. It's never been about Pogba and Mourinho. He comes out and says there's no bust up everything is fine and then the next day we have the whole instagram situation.
 
We finished ahead of Klopp and Poch who had their popular styles last season. If that's the case I'm happy under Jose as long as he keeps us above them at least.
You see, I don't take finishing 2nd as the be all and end all. I mean, Arsenal and Spurs both finished 2nd in recent years and fell down the table in following seasons. I think Poch will finish above us again, too. Having, unlike José, bought no one.

I'd personally have took Klopp's season over ours anyday. Not because they reached a CL final, but because you could see they were coming together as the team he envisions. It might pay off, too, as a lot have them down as a potential PL winners now that his team are coming together, while we'll probably struggle to make top 4.

Even if you take the trophies out of it, I was more optimistic after José's 1st season than 2nd because in his first I thought, at times, we played some really good stuff. You know, in those home draws? I did enjoy those games and hoped that we'd build off said style and finish our chances. That sadly wasn't the case. In his 2nd, we won more admittedly, but there just didn't seem to be anything to build off of unlike his first.

I'm sure Jose has his way he wants to consistently set out the team. Its just hampered this season by the lack of preferred transfers and Pogba destabilising the morale and being a general dick with continued inconsistent performances.
Don't buy that one bit. He got everyone he wanted bar Perisic last year and we played soul destroying stuff.. And pinning all this on Pogba - who's been one of our best players so far - isn't right, imo. Yeah, he's been inconsistent, but who hasn't? You can't be consistent when we, as a team, have no plan which is really evident. Pogba has also never had any problems with his managers bar José who's known for falling out with pretty much everyone.
 
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