Can we get one of those parliamentary votes to get him out if the poll reaches 60% lol ?
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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This place is feisty tonight, if your Jose in or out you can't deny that he's struggling with control now. United have turned in to a daily circus, it's embarrassing. The performances are all over the place and blame can be shared from top to bottom. In the end Jose will be judged by performances and results. Only a few weeks in and it's been poor, if he can't get more out of the players he'll be sacked. I'm not convinced we have seen the end of the Brighton and Derby performances. It's only September but we have regressed so much since last year. I want the best for Man United and I'm generally disgusted with Jose and the players. The level of togetherness, belief and professionalism is not near acceptable. The atmosphere could turn LVG if results and performances don't significantly improve. Things look like they are coming to a head, there is no unity on any level. The board gambled in the Summer and didn't back him properly to challenge. Some of the players are not suffering a WC hangover, it's alcohol poisoning at this stage..in all serious though we look like a combination of Wenger ending Arsenal and a imploding Chelsea. It's all very odd and rightly rival fans are loving it. Jose isn't and hasn't got enough out of these players and they haven't given enough. It's a very difficult time for the club. He's developing an almost split personalty with the fans. Showing appreciation one week and going back to negative tactics the next. If we had a proper replacement I almost wished he would walk away. It feels like every week that passes, the club are going towards a bigger and bigger mess that will be harder to fix. End result is big players being sold, no CL and a sacked manager with no real plan in place. This is not a terrible United side talent wise but must be the weakest mentally in my lifetime. Big changes and transition is coming again, it only guarantees uncertainty judging by post Fergie. I just hope whoever is charge and whoever is here this time next year, they resemble all the things that made this club great. Football with a positive approached, entertaining and a belief in never giving up.
Jose is the fecking child. He knew the cameras were there.
Keep that indoors and private. What a dick, he knows exactly what he’s doing.
So Mourinho has improved us while he was given the task of buying players for tons of money. Great management. How about the part of actually coaching individuals to become better players and coaching players to become a team?
Over the years we've seen players evolve, we'd seen teams evole. I'm just stunned to see fans who seem to think all you can do in order to progress and improve is buy players.
We just need the positivity back at the club that would be a great start - everything else can follow. It can't happen with Mourinho here that's now certain. As for Pogba time will tell..
I know it's petty, but him living in a hotel has always rankled me, like he's always been ready for the off.
Jose gets paid a small fortune to manage a football team, not just spend spend, spend like a lottery winner. Any of us could buy top players if we were given the cash in his position.
To earn his massive crust we should be seeing his man management skills, tactical awareness and entertaining football.
What Jose serves up for the cost of assembling this bunch of dummies is shocking. In any other industry he would have been sacked a long time ago.
Jose out now before the season is completely ruined. If he's bought good players like he told us he had, a new manager may well be able to get the best out of them.
To earn his massive crust we should be seeing his man management skills, tactical awareness and entertaining football.
What Jose serves up for the cost of assembling this bunch of dummies is shocking. In any other industry he would have been sacked a long time ago.
Jose out now before the season is completely ruined. If he's bought good players like he told us he had, a new manager may well be able to get the best out of them.
Of course he knew what he was doing. His attention to detail is second to none. Paul looked shocked and didn't look ready for a confrontation. Jose didn't need to do this. You don't air your dirty laundry in public.
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I see. so did Liverpool also have, title winning, and much better players than us too or?
We bring in players and managers who are past their best. We've become the Safety First club terrified to take a chance on a hungry young manager and providing a final lucrative retirement home for half-past it ex-superstars. With all those sponsorships to protect we opt for the big marketable name at every opportunity, doesn't matter if they're only running on past glories. I expect no change from Mourinho until an established old guard type manager becomes available. Our recruitment strategy is often like our on field play - predictable and safety first at all costs.
Guess what, Jose's bought almost a full team now but sure he needs to buy more to beat Lampard and Derby Country
At least we won’t have a ‘Jose puts his house up for sale’ thread.
I just hope the board swiftly settle this and hire someone better while there is still chance of salvaging this season.
But as usual, Woodward will keep dragging his feet to do it.
But as usual, Woodward will keep dragging his feet to do it.
Nobody in United comes out of this last year looking good.
I’ve backed Mourinho, because this set of players has needed a good kick up the arse. But sadly, it hasn’t worked. Player power is too strong in the modern game.
Pogba has been a disgrace. Anyone that can’t see the game he’s been playing with Raiola, is ignoring what is obvious. He wants more money or a move to Spain. Yet he hasn’t earned the right to more money. I can’t see anyone bidding above 100 million for him either.
Jose has been at fault in being maybe too harsh on players. But certain players have been stealing a living and are mercenary at best. The squad wasn’t invested in by the board in the summer - especially compared to our rivals. It’s almost like the owners have turned round and said that top 6 will do. It’s embarrassing for what is supposedly the biggest club in England.
It has come to a head and I think there will be a parting of company. Anyone thinking that it’s immediately going to get better, is in for a rude awakening. This set of players hasn’t got it in them and a new manager will find it hard to get them playing anything like the fans demand.
I’ve backed Mourinho, because this set of players has needed a good kick up the arse. But sadly, it hasn’t worked. Player power is too strong in the modern game.
Pogba has been a disgrace. Anyone that can’t see the game he’s been playing with Raiola, is ignoring what is obvious. He wants more money or a move to Spain. Yet he hasn’t earned the right to more money. I can’t see anyone bidding above 100 million for him either.
Jose has been at fault in being maybe too harsh on players. But certain players have been stealing a living and are mercenary at best. The squad wasn’t invested in by the board in the summer - especially compared to our rivals. It’s almost like the owners have turned round and said that top 6 will do. It’s embarrassing for what is supposedly the biggest club in England.
It has come to a head and I think there will be a parting of company. Anyone thinking that it’s immediately going to get better, is in for a rude awakening. This set of players hasn’t got it in them and a new manager will find it hard to get them playing anything like the fans demand.
Agreed.
The club has Woodward, Pogba, Mourinho all pulling in different directions. Have backed the manager but it's increasingly obvious the players either are not playing for him or really are as bad as they look every week (probably a combination of both). This is the third consecutive manager the players have let down and stopped performing for. Mourinho is definitely not the manager he once was, but so much of this squad need to be shown the door too.
Jaysus,paragraph man.
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I think the changes required at United would be too wholesale to do it during the playing season. If United really are taking on a Director of Football, the board will want to employ him before employing a new manager - presumably he'll have some input as to who the club will be looking towards. Then of course there's the matter of finding the manager himself: options are limited, there's been some talk of Zidane but nothing concretely credible, and if not him, then who? The new manager will of course want to overhaul some of the playing staff, this can't be done until at least January and even then, clubs prefer to make marquee signings in the summer.
This all adds up to one of two scenarios in my opinion: Mourinho is sacked soon and an interim comes in, changes very little, and aims for a top four.
Or Mourinho is sacked (or resigns) at the end of the season; a Director of Football is hired, a manager is hired, many of the playing staff are replaced.
Either way, when Mourinho leaves, if United really do take on a DOF, there will be big changes at United; from the way the club is managed and signings are targeted, to a number of players departing depending on who the next manager is.
I just can't see this kind of upheaval happening during the season.
Link?
A random fecking cybersecurity IT consultant said he saw a commotion you nob. Jesus Christ. Look at her twitter. It screams "GIVE ME ATTENTION". There is literally NO way this actually happened.
Edit: In fact, he literally fecking said it didn't - .
I've been in the Mourinho camp throughout but I'm wobbling now. Nothing is going in the right direction. While we're still a good bet for a top six finish, that's miles away from where should be. Every aspect of our game is shaky, whereas last season we could at least be counted on to defend well, even apart from De Gea.
As for the path forward right now I don't know, but the thought of a midseason sacking of the manager can no longer be ruled out. Zidane may or may not be the right answer but as things are right now, we need to find the right answer whether that's Mourinho breaking bad habits of alienating key players and relying on overly conservative tactics, and/or benching key players who are not performing to expectations.
As for the path forward right now I don't know, but the thought of a midseason sacking of the manager can no longer be ruled out. Zidane may or may not be the right answer but as things are right now, we need to find the right answer whether that's Mourinho breaking bad habits of alienating key players and relying on overly conservative tactics, and/or benching key players who are not performing to expectations.
What are we waiting for? Sack him!
Getting rid of non performing assets like the current manager is a step in the right direction. That's sound logic and nothing like that nonsensical claim you just made.
Van Gaal was a proven winner. Maybe we should have kept him too. Shouldn't have sold Rooney either.To the league title?
Mourinho is a proven winner, our players aren't.
The only top class proven winner at our club is the man this thread wants gone
When it comes to the first team, he's nearly purchased a new one.
People are delusional if they believe a manager needs a brand new 20+ man squad to succeed.
The poster claimed that we should wish that the team lose consecutive matches so that management would be forced to fire the manager. And that wishing it was great logic.
That is an absurd logic in my opinion. Something which I cannot support.
Absolutely. That's actually what I wanted from the Van Gaal signing. A coach figure who could transform our playstyle drastically and leave a strong impression for (hopefully) others to build on. Sadly he failed miserably at it. And Jose doesn't seem to be that kind of manager at all.
Hence we've ended up with a team of expensive players but not much direction or tactical imprint (at least worth commending).
Agree with you on that and I correct my previous post's insinuation. I can't support my team losing ever. But while I disagree with that stance of the poster quoted, I don't think people wanting Mourinho out are all misguided into believing one critical change is all that's needed, nor do I believe this fact means you don't take the necessary steps. Every step is key and I believe it would be a correct one to make.
It is logical if you believe the manager has no chance of turning things around. If we're going to sack the manager anyway then it's better to lose 3 in a row and get it over with, rather than lose 7 over a period of 3 months (for example), by which time it's a little late to turn things around.
We all wanted that from van Gaal, and though he was a failure here, he did take us in the right direction. We actually stuck to our style no matter the opposition under him. His style was archaic, but it was a step in the right direction.
What we should've done is hire a more progressive manager to build on what van Gaal was trying to achieve instead of the polar opposite in José. Now, when he's inevitably sacked, we'll have to start from scratch again. Horrible short term planning is costing us so much.
People on here think managers need years to implement their style when it's not the case. They used this in defence of José when it's been obvious for over a year we'll never have a progressive style under him. With that said, if we got a new man in now, I'm sure by the end of the season we'd be looking so much better and the optimism that'd bring would help us going into next year. I mean, how long did it take Pep, Sarri and Klopp to get their teams playing the way they do? Not that long at all. A few months; if that.
It's just a shame all the best options are taken now. We should've sacked José when it was obvious he wasn't going to improve last year, and we could've then poached Sarri ourselves.
If a manager is inept, it is up to the club management to realize it and do what is in the best interests of the club.
And my other point is that it is not a given that things will change drastically if he goes. It is more like a roll of dice, with multiple possibilities. We can hope, but it is not a fact.
Every step is key. Which is why the club should have a clear action plan before firing Jose. As to what direction the club should go or to what kind of profile or philosophy the new manager should be having. Because SAF retired, we got Moyes. He was found short, we got LvG. That philosophy did not go well, we got Jose. So it is kind of dark as to what we are looking for.
With the club of our size, we need to plan ahead and could not just take a leap of faith.
Stuff like today makes me happy, cos if he keeps airing our dirty laundry in public he might get sacked before he ruins our season. Get Zidane in on as short a contract possible to ride it out until the DoF can decide who to go for next.
I just dont see how this decision could be any more clear cut. Jose has to go and theres no point prolonging the torture. He has completely lost the plot and has no chance of turning this situation around let alone stopping the bleeding and steadying the ship.
I really can't believe the smugness of this guy who talks shit about his own team in the press, bitches about not getting every single player he wants signed while in turn implying his current group aren't good enough instead of motivating and supporting them. He's an embarrasment to this great club and it makes me sick that he's getting paid so much and does so little
Does anyone here see a clear path on how this team is going to progress tactically? Of course not because there is no clear philosophy on how we play...and we wonder why every game we look like shit. Every player Jose has bought has under performed bar maybe Matic who I think has been great. That is just on the pitch stuff and the off the pitch stuff is almost as bad. Coming in to every press conference like a depressed and petulant cnut, never smiling, always negative. It has got to stop And then the stuff with pogba today... Everyone knows there are cameras around and Jose decides to make a scene in front of the whole squad and press. He's trying to provoke pogba and also giggling and smugly smiling while doing so.I mean seriously what kind of management is that? I can't wait to see the fecking back of this guy...he really is a disgrace.
I really can't believe the smugness of this guy who talks shit about his own team in the press, bitches about not getting every single player he wants signed while in turn implying his current group aren't good enough instead of motivating and supporting them. He's an embarrasment to this great club and it makes me sick that he's getting paid so much and does so little
Does anyone here see a clear path on how this team is going to progress tactically? Of course not because there is no clear philosophy on how we play...and we wonder why every game we look like shit. Every player Jose has bought has under performed bar maybe Matic who I think has been great. That is just on the pitch stuff and the off the pitch stuff is almost as bad. Coming in to every press conference like a depressed and petulant cnut, never smiling, always negative. It has got to stop And then the stuff with pogba today... Everyone knows there are cameras around and Jose decides to make a scene in front of the whole squad and press. He's trying to provoke pogba and also giggling and smugly smiling while doing so.I mean seriously what kind of management is that? I can't wait to see the fecking back of this guy...he really is a disgrace.
Well said and it's literally been the same story at all his stops ever since he was broken in Madrid. How anyone can claim the petulant cnut cares for anything besides his fragile ego goes directly against his own record and pattern of behavior.
It's an absolute riot and nonstop laughs when the shitshow happens at another club and it's beyond depressing when it's your own club.
Eagerly counting the days until he, and his overzealous acolytes, are far away from this great club. They've managed to turn one of the great clubs of Europe into the single biggest circus and laughingstock in world football right now.
2018 Jose is a husk of his former maverick self,that earlier edition was an all-time great manager and is long gone. We've unfortunately gotten the broken down and defective remains. There is absolutely zero future in backing a stubborn and finished man
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The biggest myth to come from all of this is the idea that this is a Pogba vs Mourinho thing. Some of us don't want Jose to leave because of Pogba. We want Jose to leave period. Hopefully Pogba gets dropped so we can stop reducing the discussion to a battle of primadonna egos
Oh my lord!!He's only been here and buying players for 5 transfer windows.We're in a mess,the football is shocking,dressing room in turmoil, there is no hope with this bloke in charge.
Amen
Agree 100%, just give him and our team some time to settle down, my little finger tells me we'll do a "Manchester United" this season and all the moaners will be put to sleep. We have a more than decent team, one of the best managers in the world, we have history, it's just that our morale is not where we expect it to be.
Btw, the poll result is shocking, a bunch of classless fans here, not like some years ago.
Mourinho acting like a dick to Pogba when he enters training seems like a designed move from Jose for the cameras. He could have cleared all this up with the whoever the guy is before hand. But he deliberately chose to do it in front of the media cameras. Jose tries to divides opinions wherever he goes and tries to get fans against each other. I think it was another attempt at changing the conversation from his failings and loss in the game yesterday. The whole stripping him of vice-captaincy and yesterday's drama seems orchestrated to me.
What ever, if he is trying to get a reaction from him and the whole squad, that's works for me.
And we sure need one.
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