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Hes an idiot. Its as if people cant catch just after being tested
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Hes an idiot. Its as if people cant catch just after being tested
Contact is inevitable once inside the building. Just look at the fighters launching spittle, blood, and other bodily fluids across the Octagon, which with the aerosol component of COVID would easily affect staff, coaches, and commentators sitting just outside.
But the problem lies in if Rogan has it and is touching every winner in the octagon.
Their cornermen are wearing masks, everybody at ringside is. Its bizarre how Rogan can dictate policy like this and be above them all.
Plus his testing point is bullshit, its as if hes saying we were tested on Monday so we cant catch it on Tuesday which makes no sense at all.
I think that's a risk everyone who is even participating in the event is taking. The refs and fighters are not wearing masks and touching one another far more than Rogan touched anyone. The appropriate thing to do would've been to not even hold the event, especially since fighters tested positive in the lead up, but once the decision was made to proceed - short of everyone including fighters wearing some sort of mask, all the normal societal social distancing rules were destined to be ignored.
But were they ignored? Fighters werent allowed in building before warm up for fight etc. Apart from a few idiots taking maskless selfies the only person taking liberties was Joe.
Its just so unnecessary. Hes only a commentator and if theyre this slack already then disaster is just around the corner.
I agree. It's stupid from his personal safety POV and also stupid as gives out the wrong message to stupid viewers. Not sure why he couldn't interview from 2 m away. What was so difficult about that?
Wonder how he will feel when he gets it. As he will get covid19 from an asymptomatic person inside the Octagon, because of his idiocy.
UFC are just lucky that Trump is now hellbent on getting USA back open again, they won't be shut down for these misdemeanours, unless there is a massive 2nd spike.
Sure. Who would you rather see him fight now ? (Ferguson)
He was talking about the fact that his hand was covered in blood. They’ve all been tested and then back in to isolation and he’s doing an interview where he’s standing less than half a metre away.
The whole night had multiple people breaking social distancing and touching each other.
Thinking after that absolute beating Ferguson needs to take a long break off to let himself recover. That was a proper beat down.
Actually more excited about the prospect of Gaethje vs Kahbib than Kahbib vs Tony. Wonder if Kahbib can take those kinds of shots.
Actually more excited about the prospect of Gaethje vs Kahbib than Kahbib vs Tony. Wonder if Kahbib can take those kinds of shots.
I think Ferguson is done for a while. Will need time just to recover from the physical beating. Then 2 rehab fights to repair the PTSD!
Personally I don't think Ferguson is top top level. More your Gary Neville type guy as in he works very very hard with more limited talent.
Tony is fantastic off his back. His takedowns wont be of the same level as that of Gaethje so I guess it was never a part of his plan at all. Should have tried the imanari roll in the earlier rounds.
Wanted to think about the fights and catch up with the thread before posting.
Luque v Pryce was a solid opener. Great sign of things to come.
The women's fight was pony. Worst fight of the night probably and bizarre scoring. Had Michelle W 29-28.
Werdum looked old and finished. If he was in there against one of the better fighters, it would have been lights out. He just looked sloppy.
Surprise surprise Cowboy turns up in a fight of no significance. Still lost but I think people were right when they said he's always the bridesmaids never the bride.
Greg Hardy with another win. I thought that fat Carlton from Fresh Prince looking guy would do alright at the start but suddenly it's like his brain disconnected. He literally just stopped. Found out afterwards that he broke his toe. Shame. Want to set somebody give that woman beater a real slapping.
Katter with that great elbow, taught Lil Heathen a lesson for missing weight. If you lip read Stephens after the KO, you can clearly see he said "who the fook am I?"
Ngannou sending that guys soul into space was scary. You don't call out a crazy motherfecker like this man. I swear DC started to write his resignation statement right after that
but I think he hasn't had the opportunity to grow as a fighter as much as he needs to for his eventual title shot because no one can stand his punches.
Was sad to see Cruz lose but after a four year lay off and back against someone as good as Henry was never gonna go well. Was a shame though as Cruz was just finding his rhythm, but with the leg kicks, I think Henry would have won any way. Was the stoppage early? I can see an argument either way. Not a robbery. Cruz comments about the ref after the fight made him seem like a sore loser though. Shocking considering how will he took the Garbrandt loss.
Gaethje beat Ferguson, which is what I expected after Gaethje shift in style since the Poirier loss. He had the perfect performance and I've always felt him Vs Khabib could be very intriguing. But reading people here say Tony had been overrated and isn't that good... Just ridiculous. He was on a 12 fight winning streak against a row of killers. You keep doing that, coupled with his age means he was eventually gonna get beat. And even then, he wouldn't quit. Tough bastard. He probably beats most in that division. It's not over for him so long as he takes a proper break. And I'm not even a Tony fan, I'm team Khabib all day.
Finally, that Street Fighter sweep from Tony was the best thing I've ever seen
Luque v Pryce was a solid opener. Great sign of things to come.
The women's fight was pony. Worst fight of the night probably and bizarre scoring. Had Michelle W 29-28.
Werdum looked old and finished. If he was in there against one of the better fighters, it would have been lights out. He just looked sloppy.
Surprise surprise Cowboy turns up in a fight of no significance. Still lost but I think people were right when they said he's always the bridesmaids never the bride.
Greg Hardy with another win. I thought that fat Carlton from Fresh Prince looking guy would do alright at the start but suddenly it's like his brain disconnected. He literally just stopped. Found out afterwards that he broke his toe. Shame. Want to set somebody give that woman beater a real slapping.
Katter with that great elbow, taught Lil Heathen a lesson for missing weight. If you lip read Stephens after the KO, you can clearly see he said "who the fook am I?"
Ngannou sending that guys soul into space was scary. You don't call out a crazy motherfecker like this man. I swear DC started to write his resignation statement right after that
but I think he hasn't had the opportunity to grow as a fighter as much as he needs to for his eventual title shot because no one can stand his punches.Was sad to see Cruz lose but after a four year lay off and back against someone as good as Henry was never gonna go well. Was a shame though as Cruz was just finding his rhythm, but with the leg kicks, I think Henry would have won any way. Was the stoppage early? I can see an argument either way. Not a robbery. Cruz comments about the ref after the fight made him seem like a sore loser though. Shocking considering how will he took the Garbrandt loss.
Gaethje beat Ferguson, which is what I expected after Gaethje shift in style since the Poirier loss. He had the perfect performance and I've always felt him Vs Khabib could be very intriguing. But reading people here say Tony had been overrated and isn't that good... Just ridiculous. He was on a 12 fight winning streak against a row of killers. You keep doing that, coupled with his age means he was eventually gonna get beat. And even then, he wouldn't quit. Tough bastard. He probably beats most in that division. It's not over for him so long as he takes a proper break. And I'm not even a Tony fan, I'm team Khabib all day.
Finally, that Street Fighter sweep from Tony was the best thing I've ever seen
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Don't understand the notion being put forth of Cormier being fearful of N'Gannou or having a need to avoid that fight. It's the worst matchup for N'Gannou in the division and the one fight I'd bet his camp wouldn't want to make.
I've waxed lyrical about Francis many times in this thread, but he's still got a lot of work to do and holes for Cormier to exploit. Not a fight either one is sure thing in, but N'Gannou would be just as lost with wrestling and groundwork as Cormier would be in a standup fire fight.
I've waxed lyrical about Francis many times in this thread, but he's still got a lot of work to do and holes for Cormier to exploit. Not a fight either one is sure thing in, but N'Gannou would be just as lost with wrestling and groundwork as Cormier would be in a standup fire fight.
I think DC is obviously a hard match for him probably the 2nd hardest in the division but re the bolded point isn't it obvious? He has ridiculous knock out power and when he wins he does it in devasting style. DC has been brutally KOed twice, whilst he's a much better fighter than Ngannou he can get caught and I'd say every fighter fears that power
Wanted to think about the fights and catch up with the thread before posting.
Luque v Pryce was a solid opener. Great sign of things to come.
The women's fight was pony. Worst fight of the night probably and bizarre scoring. Had Michelle W 29-28.
Werdum looked old and finished. If he was in there against one of the better fighters, it would have been lights out. He just looked sloppy.
Surprise surprise Cowboy turns up in a fight of no significance. Still lost but I think people were right when they said he's always the bridesmaids never the bride.
Greg Hardy with another win. I thought that fat Carlton from Fresh Prince looking guy would do alright at the start but suddenly it's like his brain disconnected. He literally just stopped. Found out afterwards that he broke his toe. Shame. Want to set somebody give that woman beater a real slapping.
Katter with that great elbow, taught Lil Heathen a lesson for missing weight. If you lip read Stephens after the KO, you can clearly see he said "who the fook am I?"
Ngannou sending that guys soul into space was scary. You don't call out a crazy motherfecker like this man. I swear DC started to write his resignation statement right after that
Was sad to see Cruz lose but after a four year lay off and back against someone as good as Henry was never gonna go well. Was a shame though as Cruz was just finding his rhythm, but with the leg kicks, I think Henry would have won any way. Was the stoppage early? I can see an argument either way. Not a robbery. Cruz comments about the ref after the fight made him seem like a sore loser though. Shocking considering how will he took the Garbrandt loss.
Gaethje beat Ferguson, which is what I expected after Gaethje shift in style since the Poirier loss. He had the perfect performance and I've always felt him Vs Khabib could be very intriguing. But reading people here say Tony had been overrated and isn't that good... Just ridiculous. He was on a 12 fight winning streak against a row of killers. You keep doing that, coupled with his age means he was eventually gonna get beat. And even then, he wouldn't quit. Tough bastard. He probably beats most in that division. It's not over for him so long as he takes a proper break. And I'm not even a Tony fan, I'm team Khabib all day.
Finally, that Street Fighter sweep from Tony was the best thing I've ever seen
Don't think it's obvious at all, tbh. Power and clumsiness leads to overconfidence and head-hunting, which gives way to lots of openings for Cormier to shoot on. N'Gannou's power is negated the moment Cormier gets his hands around him (obviously if he can), and then we're looking at his tank and ability to break the clinch and reset to distanced standup (over dirty boxing), which I don't see a Cormier hanging on for dear life giving much opportunity for.
Cormier's 'wow' is as a commentator, not a potential opponent, imo. They won't fight, I don't think, because it's very probably a one and done with Stipe for DC, but I am certain he'd rather face power than technique and length - if Cormier survives the initial few scrambles N'Gannou would be forced to think, and that's Cormier's world where strategy and experience comes into play.
I'm guessing you think Stipe is the worse matchup for N;Gannou? I don't think so because Stipe is confident in his own power and standup and will more openly welcome a fire fight as opposed to Cormier, who N'Gannou would know he better not get into a clinch with in the knowledge all Cormier will want to do is maul him and take it to the ground.
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to stay out for too long. I predict we'll see him back this year.
He's 36 now - so even if he won last night and beat Khabib later in the year, it would all be downhill from there. If the Khabib fight happened 2-3 years ago when it was originally scheduled, we would've gotten a peak Tony.
I still think there's a chance for Ferguson v Khabib. If Justin can beat Khabib, that fight will definitely be made next.
Won't have the title shine on it but it's not a fight that needs a title, it's just a fight that needs to happen.
You saw how Frankie Edgar (1 win) and Jose Aldo (nearly) got title shots after a loss? The same would happen for Tony.
Won't have the title shine on it but it's not a fight that needs a title, it's just a fight that needs to happen.
You saw how Frankie Edgar (1 win) and Jose Aldo (nearly) got title shots after a loss? The same would happen for Tony.
Except that Tony will need to fight someone around the time Justin meets Khabib, so if he were to lose, it would make it harder to face Khabib - and more pointless given his age and no belt up for grabs.
If you look very closely at Tony unbeaten run, only 1 or 2 were actual top 10 fighters, and even then, he was bloodied and beaten up before just getting over the line. Compare that to Khabib: has anyone ever gotten a drop of blood out of him? Very few drops I'd guess.
Tony has lost serious respect in my eyes. I think he is over rated. Any Khabib fight has lost all its lustre. What kind of pre hype fight will Tony even be able to generate? And in the end, Khabib will just dance with him for a while, and then strangle him to tap. It's so obvious.
If they fought in the present it would've been a 50/50 toss up, since Tony matches up better with Khabib than a world class striker like Gaetjie. Tony is the only fighter I know who would relish going to ground with Khabib.
I could imagine a scenario where Justin and Khabib fight around July or August, and IF Justin wins that, who said Khabib and Tony can't fight end of the year? Whether you find it pointless or not is a different matter I guess. I would like to see it stylistically. Khabib loves taking people down and Tony loves being taken down!
I think Barboza, RDA and Kevin Lee were great opponents (at that time) and Pettis and Cerrone aren't slouches either. You have to look at who is around the division at the time he fought and at that time, those were the best guys. The only names missing from his library that I can think of are Alvarez and Khabib.
Look at Khabib record, is it THAT much different? The two names that stick out are McGregor and Poirier. Minus Kevin Lee, he's only really fight one higher calibre fighter more than Tony.
I agree that he gets bloodied up every fight but that's just the way he is. Khabib mauls people but we haven't seen him against adversity, something we probably will see against Gaethje.
And feck you for making me stick up for Tony here as I'm not a fan of his and think Khabib is much better fighter
Ah man, if you could just hear yourself disrespect a living legend in Ferguson. If you had followed his journey over the years you'd most likely have a different view.
When a fighter loses sometimes their status goes down far too much in people’s eyes. Ferguson has been a great fighter, he was beaten by a once in a lifetime performance that happens from time to time. Same as other great fighters who also lose to great performances. See Cody vs Cruz or Dillashaw vs Barou and Rose vs Joanna. The interesting thing will see how he recovers. It was a hell of a beat down, I’m not sure he will be same again.
Just before the stoppage where Ferguson shook his head, was that his automatic “nope, that didn’t hurt” reflex or was he genuinely scared to take another shot?
I think it was more like him trying to get his balance. He was probably seeing double or something. I highly doubt he was afraid to take another shot
I don't know how long you've been watching but regardless, I don't think that should have too much bearing on this conversation (unless you've literally started watching since the last event).
Firstly, don't agree with the 'good as your last performance' idea. That would mean Aldo, Cruz, McGregor, DC etc are not that good. Which we know isn't true.
Ferguson isn't a genius, but he's a different type of fighter to most. His angles, tenacity, ground game, cardio and output are generally out of this world. He got rocked by Pettis and barrell-rolled to safety ffs
Yesterday he got beat soundly. That can happen to anyone who comes up against an opponent that is just having the night of their lives. The same happened to Cruz v Cody, to Cain v Werdum etc. It happens. Doesn't make the loser of the fight suddenly become shit. He also did two weight cuts, which could have had an affect on his performance but I don't know that for fact so that point is moot I guess. If you think along those lines you mentioned, then did you think Joanna Champion was shit when she lost to Rose? Or was was DC shit when he lost to Stipe? No. They were just beaten.
As for his ground game, if you watch enough of his fights, you know how good his submission game is. But taking down an all American wrestler like Gaethje would be very difficult. Khabib would take Tony down, and that's where the intrigue in that fight happens.
As for him being Gary Neville... No. He's more of a Martial at United. When on form, he's unplayable bit can be rather erratic in his performances.
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Not all 36 years olds start to decline. Take Cormier as the perfect example
Most fighters at that age are on the back ends of their careers where their skills are in gradual decline.
Ngannou x Jones would be very interesting because, can Ngannou close the distance ? If he can, will he get taken down ? If he does get taken down, will he get back up ? Can he take Jones down and keep him there ?
What happens if he lands one or two big shots on Jones's face ? Can Jones knock Ngannou out with a powerful kick ? The possibilities are endless
What happens if he lands one or two big shots on Jones's face ? Can Jones knock Ngannou out with a powerful kick ? The possibilities are endless
That doesn't mean they can't still go on to win the title. If Bisping did it... I mean, Tony would be the most likeliest to do it anyway
Not sure where my original post went .... but thanks for the detailed and patient reply.I don't know how long you've been watching but regardless, I don't think that should have too much bearing on this conversation (unless you've literally started watching since the last event).
Firstly, don't agree with the 'good as your last performance' idea. That would mean Aldo, Cruz, McGregor, DC etc are not that good. Which we know isn't true.
Ferguson isn't a genius, but he's a different type of fighter to most. His angles, tenacity, ground game, cardio and output are generally out of this world. He got rocked by Pettis and barrell-rolled to safety ffs
Yesterday he got beat soundly. That can happen to anyone who comes up against an opponent that is just having the night of their lives. The same happened to Cruz v Cody, to Cain v Werdum etc. It happens. Doesn't make the loser of the fight suddenly become shit. He also did two weight cuts, which could have had an affect on his performance but I don't know that for fact so that point is moot I guess. If you think along those lines you mentioned, then did you think Joanna Champion was shit when she lost to Rose? Or was was DC shit when he lost to Stipe? No. They were just beaten.
As for his ground game, if you watch enough of his fights, you know how good his submission game is. But taking down an all American wrestler like Gaethje would be very difficult. Khabib would take Tony down, and that's where the intrigue in that fight happens.
As for him being Gary Neville... No. He's more of a Martial at United. When on form, he's unplayable bit can be rather erratic in his performances.
Ive been watching UFC for about 3 years, probably once a month, and particularly like Khabib and Adesanya and also hate McGregor the person. I’ve seen Ferguson fight before and am neutral on him as a supporter. I also perform some MMA moves as part of my fitness regime; of course I'm worse than rubbish, but I have spent many weeks training, observing, photographing and socialising with fighters one level below UFC/Bellator standard in Soi TaiEd in Phuket. So I'm not an complete newbie but have not got depth of knowledge or emotional history with many legendary fighters that you and others on this thread have. (Key reason I like posting in this thread is read and learn).
Thanks for the Martial analogy which helps position Ferguson in my mind. So he isn't a journeyman done good, rather a mercurial talent who can be erratic or have a complete stinker, like he did last night.
Doesn't that make my observation true though. That despite his natural talents, he isn't a worldie because he lowest level of performance can be really really low? I mean Ive seen some real humdinger fights in UFC where 2 guys have equally traded blows and one then just pulls through. I know Tony has had several amazing performances before, but greats in any sport can never get demolished like Tony did last night. I literally have nothing positive to say about him from last night other than he did well as a punching bag, which makes him an elite sparring partner but not much else.
The other thing in UFC I’ve noticed is how losers often get many excuses made for them. After Conar got mauled by Khabib, he and his fans complained about his absence from the octagon, his mental state and all sorts of other crap as mitigating factors. Tony’s alleged double weight cut and change in opponent seems the same. They both agreed to the fight, surely the outcome is what it is.
Just my opinions and most likely very seem very unsophisticated and crude!
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Again I'm not saying Ngannou will win it just is really obvious what they are cautious of is his power. It's not a controversial opinion or need for a long debate about it's just a fact as it's basically his only weapon bit it's a really good one. If he lands cleanly he knocks DC out I don't know if he does bit that is what people would be cautious of.
It's being wildly overstated with regard to Cormier, like he's shitting bricks or wouldn't take the fight if he had to, or that he wouldn't fancy himself in the bout. First reaction to an N'Gannou KO is nearly always going to be
because he sends people to the moon and has literal life-threatening power, but in analysis, Cormier would pick holes in what he saw.Ferguson is also being downplayed now. I don't think he trained for Gaethje and that what he said about camp was true - a rematch wouldn't look the same.
It's being wildly overstated with regard to Cormier, like he's shitting bricks or wouldn't take the fight if he had to, or that he wouldn't fancy himself in the bout. First reaction to an N'Gannou KO is nearly always going to be
Ferguson is also being downplayed now. I don't think he trained for Gaethje and that what he said about camp was true - a rematch wouldn't look the same.
I've not really seen anyone overstate it though? If anything in fairness it seems you're overstating peoples reactions.
People will ALWAYS have knee jerk reactyions to KOs like Ngannous cos they're so shocking but I think the reaction was more DC should be cautious of the KO rather than Ngannou as a dead skilled fighter. In fact I think more people are thinking about Stipe as he is the champ (although I think Dana is trying to screw him over again here.) I get your point and actually agree with it regardingability levels but my whole point was that it's obvious why people are saying DC should be cautious and it's cos Ngannou can KO anyone.
Don't sell yourself short buddy, my knowledge is not that wide considering some people here.
I don't think Tony is one of the greats, never have done. But I do think he's a really good fighter and one of two possible fighters at LW that can potentially beat Khabib due to his style. He's also had a 12 win streak, which makes people want to see him get his shot considering McGregor got a LW shot having never even fought at the weight class. But I disagree with you saying a great in any sport shouldnt get demolished like Tony did. Examples below:
Cruz v Cody
DC v Stipe 2
Cain v Werdum
Joanna v Rose
Cyborg v Nunes
There are more but these are a few examples of great fighters, fighters with far higher standing than Ferguson, who got demolished in those fights. It's the fight game, it happens.
As for the excuses thing, you're right, it happens a lot. Sometimes it's justified and other times it's not.
On this occasion, Tony choose to finish the first weight cut so IF it did affect him, that's his own fault. I don't care about that stuff, a loss is a loss.
Anyone seen McGregor's Twitter? Looks like the man has been on the crack pipe again
Yeah just seen itAnyone seen McGregor's Twitter? Looks like the man has been on the crack pipe again