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Can’t imagine Conor rushing into that fight tbh, before you even think of Justin’s wrestling on that showing it’s a mauling.
 
It was looking that way at the time... Shit happens.
Are you a big Ferguson fan? I’m a casual neutral and from what I saw, Justin was pretty much on top every moment of that fight. Complete and utter domination.
 
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Can’t imagine Conor rushing into that fight tbh, before you even think of Justin’s wrestling on that showing it’s a mauling.
How good is Justin on the floor? Very surprised Ferguson didn’t get him into the floor even once.
 
I think people are going to underrate this performance because Tony didn’t go down. It was durability on another level. This was a demolition and ANY other fighter would have been out eating those shots before the stoppage.

The question is if Khabib can avoid eating those shots, and I think he can.
 
How good is Justin on the floor? Very surprised Ferguson didn’t get him into the floor even once.

All American, though I can’t think of when we’ve ever seen much of it outside of takedown defence. He loves to bang.
 
How good is Justin on the floor? Very surprised Ferguson didn’t get him into the floor even once.

He's a former wrestler, so it would've been a better tactic to keep it standing. Khabib's style of sambo is better suited to taking someone like Gaetjie down.
 
Did Ferguson's weight cut for a fight that wasn't going to happen had any effect on his performance at all ?

Maybe if he didn't cut weight twice in such a short amount of time he would've won
 
As sad as it is that the Khabib - Tony dream is probably dead. Khabib - Gaethje is an intriguing matchup too. Gaethje is an elite wrestler and Khabib needs to get him down and keep him down to win. Time to see just how legendary Khabib's grappling really is.
 
I think people are going to underrate this performance because Tony didn’t go down. It was durability on another level. This was a demolition and ANY other fighter would have been out eating those shots before the stoppage.

The question is if Khabib can avoid eating those shots, and I think he can.

That's the question. For me, Khabib destroyed one of the most accurate strikers. But then again Justin is a great wrestler.
 
As sad as it is that the Khabib - Tony dream is probably dead. Khabib - Gaethje is an intriguing matchup too. Gaethje is an elite wrestler and Khabib needs to get him down and keep him down to win. Time to see just how legendary Khabib's grappling really is.

Gaetjie actually matches up very well with Conor. Would love to see that one day.
 
It’s hard to remember a fight taking so many shots from such a hard hitter for so long.

A normal man Goes down and out 4-5 times. It was to his detriment that he stayed on his feet. That was an awful lot of punishment to take in one fight.

Victim of his own toughness. Just unbelievable how he absorbs what to most are KO strikes. Dana should look after him. He's been nothing short of amazing.
 
Though Gaethje was an NCAA wrestler, he'll have issues against Khabib. He was swinging and missing. Khabib will be looking to capitalize on that. Gaethje's leg kicks will have to be on point. Something to really look forward to.

I was expecting Gaethje to gas in the championship rounds, but he just kept going. Great fight and an excellent card. Never realized how badly I missed sports.
 
If that’s true, then McG is just a warm up for khabib to face Justin. Will be good pratice for khabib to get his striking game up to form to face Justin because he was deadly tonight.

Even an untrained eye like me can see that.

Maybe, but this is about money.

It's not coincidence both Khabib and Conor announced they are ready to come back to action soon.

Justin will probably need some time off. It's a possibility.

Also Justin and Khabib have the same agent. I don't think Ali will have Khabib fighting such a dangerous fighter, so in form.

Are you a big Ferguson fan? I’m a casual neutral and from what I saw, Justin was pretty much every moment of that fight. Complete and utter domination.

At the end of the second round, the last minute or so, it seemed Tony was having more success, and dropped Justin viciously. Looked like a change in the tide.
 
Well that was disappointing. Tony matches up much better against Khabib.

Most people think the opposite I think.

Disappointed as hell, but what can you do when faced with a performance like that. his improvement since the Poirier fight has been phenomenal. Oddly, it reminded me of Cody:s performance of Cruz. Perfect execution of a perfect game plan..you just have to take your hands off in this situation.
 
As sad as it is that the Khabib - Tony dream is probably dead. Khabib - Gaethje is an intriguing matchup too. Gaethje is an elite wrestler and Khabib needs to get him down and keep him down to win. Time to see just how legendary Khabib's grappling really is.


Khabib is on a different level in terms of wrestling, sambo, judo. His dad is a master of sport of Russia. Khabib is well on course to eclipse him and possibly become one of the best grapplers in Russia. That's really crazy if you think about it. Look at greko roman wresting and Russians.
 
Ah, I spent half of the time fighting tiredness and now its over its passed and I'm not remotely tired. This will cause a ripple affect.

Annoying :lol:
 
Trevor Wittman, take a bow.

If they want Gaethje to fight Conor, I'd be pissed. Khabib or nothing.

Gaethje and Whitman what a phenomenal combination. Like Izzy and Eugene Bareman.
I did wonder at the time what a disciplined Gaethje could achieve when he went to war with Poirier, which seems an age ago now. Scary to think, he hasn't even used his wrestling yet.

I agree, Khabib or nothing. I don't think he'd fight Conor before Khabib now that he can smell LW strap.
 
By the way, for all those that are always harping on about Tony's great movement.. his movement is shit. Zero head movement. Absolutely nothing in terms moving his feet. McGregor is so much better.. Or he did after first Diaz fight.
 
But a great wrestler nevertheless with great down defence which is important.
He'll have to get his A game in wrestling that day. Don't think he has come up against a wrestler yet (I could be wrong here). His leg kicks will have to be on point. A great match up and looking forward to it. Never expected him to dismantle Ferguson the way he did tonight. Really impressive.
 
Did Ferguson's weight cut for a fight that wasn't going to happen had any effect on his performance at all ?

Maybe if he didn't cut weight twice in such a short amount of time he would've won
Could be something to this. Ferguson looked off key or perhaps ‘overcooked’ and always one note slower than Justin for all 5 rounds.

Maybe he peaked physically 3 weeks ago, which makes sense as that was intended by his camp, and the extra 3 weeks means he was below par. Plus the change in tactical approach requires switching from khabib to Justin

Ditto, in the end, Justin had a perfect 5 weeks to train Nd plan purely for Ferguson.

However Justin was so good tonight, maybe it wouldn’t have mattered. And anyways, tough shit. These sorts of challenges is what makes ufc what it is.
 
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He'll have to get his A game in wrestling that day. Don't think he has come up against a wrestler yet (I could be wrong here). His leg kicks will have to be on point. A great match up and looking forward to it. Never expected him to dismantle Ferguson the way he did tonight. Really impressive.

Khabib will just shoot. That's the thing about Khabib - he does what's needed. I've no idea why Tony didn't try to take it to the ground seeing as he's absolutely amazing at bjj. Eddie Bravo was harping on how Tony was this amazing student but tonight youd have thought he never practiced bjj because he didn't want to utilise it.
 
What a performance by Gaethje, he did to Tony what Tony does to other fighters. really Think with his skillset and Trevor Wittman guiding him he is a serious threat to Khabib.
 
Gaethje and Whitman what a phenomenal combination. Like Izzy and Eugene Bareman.
I did wonder at the time what a disciplined Gaethje could achieve when he went to war with Poirier, which seems an age ago now. Scary to think, he hasn't even used his wrestling yet.

I agree, Khabib or nothing. I don't think he'd fight Conor before Khabib now that he can smell LW strap.

I doubted whether he could make any significant adjustments after the Michael Johnson fight, one in which he looked like he could easily have lost at times. Even his celebration was all over the place :lol:

On paper, his run since the Alvarez and Poirier fights doesn't look very noteworthy, although the manner in which he took his opponents apart was impressive, disciplined but ferocious. Tonight was another major test because I doubted his cardio, one thing that hasn't been tested since the back-to-back losses. That's where the coach-fighter understanding really paid off tonight because he was told in no uncertain terms to stop loading up as much and he did.
 
3 things:

- N`Gannou KO :lol:. You call out a guy and then get obliterated.N’Gannou: ‘I don’t think he knew what he was doing calling me out”
- Ferguson foot sweep! :lol:
- Gaethje’s performance.:eek:


Ferguson has ruined everything: he and Khabib will never fight.
 


I didn't think if was that bad of a stoppage it was at a weird time but it probably could of been stopped sooner and it would of made more sense.

Really enjoyable card especially under the circumstances. Set up clear contenders in both HW and LW now. I reckon we may get DC Vs Ngannou for an interim title Dana seems to be planting few seeds of not being happy with Stipe.
 
I didn't think if was that bad of a stoppage it was at a weird time but it probably could of been stopped sooner and it would of made more sense.

Really enjoyable card especially under the circumstances. Set up clear contenders in both HW and LW now. I reckon we may get DC Vs Ngannou for an interim title Dana seems to be planting few seeds of not being happy with Stipe.

I've seen the point made on twitter that the act of pulling himself to his knee to try and get up in itself counts as intelligent defence as he's clearly still capable of moving and making clear decisions to get out of the position he's in? I'm not sure though. It's easy to say that in hindsight but he had also just taken 10 or so unanswered shots.
 
I've seen the point made on twitter that the act of pulling himself to his knee to try and get up in itself counts as intelligent defence as he's clearly still capable of moving and making clear decisions to get out of the position he's in? I'm not sure though. It's easy to say that in hindsight but he had also just taken 10 or so unanswered shots.

His whole defence was weird. How he insisted to the ref he had to be unconscious...that's not s thing you can decide it's the refs decision.

I think the timing was weird as he rightly pointed out but it could of been stopped a couple seconds before for me.

He looked decent though Cruz in the fight against elite competition. I don't think Cejudo will actually retire but if he does Cruz would fancy his chances of getting the title.
 
I've seen the point made on twitter that the act of pulling himself to his knee to try and get up in itself counts as intelligent defence as he's clearly still capable of moving and making clear decisions to get out of the position he's in? I'm not sure though. It's easy to say that in hindsight but he had also just taken 10 or so unanswered shots.
But he wasnt pulling himself up. If you look closely he only gets up when the ref jumps in and relieves the pressure.
 
By the way, for all those that are always harping on about Tony's great movement.. his movement is shit. Zero head movement. Absolutely nothing in terms moving his feet. McGregor is so much better.. Or he did after first Diaz fight.

His tactics were off last night, at a time when Gaetjie fought the fight of his life.

Tony is 36 now and probably a couple of shades past his MMA peak, so I doubt he fights Khabib going forward since the winner of Khabib v Justin will almost certainly get a big payday to fight Conor next. Tony, if he wants to try again, will need to rehabilitate himself against someone like Poirier.
 
just saw the post fight interview with gaethje where rogan goes to shake his hand, justin hesitates and then rogan says "I dont care"

what a moron.