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Ekeke said:
He had nothing because his head was getting sqaushed like a melon under two asteroids. Something that will only happen to Brock Lesnar in a fight with Shane Carwin. None of Cain's striking is going to stop him, although he could obviously win a decision with technical striking on his feet. If he can weather the storm from Carwin then all Cain has to offer is a slightly nippy breeze.

Its not going to go the distance though. Cain will be taken down at some point, he will be finished.
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Cain doesn't need to knock Lesnar out, he just has to be around when he gasses. It doesn't matter how freakish Lesnar is he isn't just going to take down Cain at will and lie on top of him for 5 straight rounds. Plus Lesnar isn't going to find anyone else as stupid/arrogant as Frank Mir who'll just lay there and eat punches waiting to win by submission. Problem with Cain is he has a questionable chin so can't rule out Lesnar taking him out round 1, although ordinarily I wouldn't rate Lesnar's ability to finish that quickly.

And whilst Lesnar may have proven he can't be knocked out by ferocious ground and pound, he's still proven further that he can be seriously punished for his willingness to trade with superior strikers. Carwin doesn't really have a skillset, but the likes of Fedor, JDS, even Overeem could destroy Lesnar standing, whilst having the skills and options to finish him afterwards (Now it seems Lesnar is another Fujita and has an iron head).
 
There was a 5 second window where the ref COULD have stopped it. And, I'd even go as far as to say that if the Danzig Wiman debacle had never happened then Lavigne probably would have stopped it during the onslaught when Lesnar was covering up but not intelligently defending himself.


Wanted Carwin to win but I'm not sad Lesnar won as with heavyweights as big as these guys it's always entertaining.
 
The ending to Carwin Chestnar wasn't predictable, but the entire fight up till that point was.

Brock might win the first round vs Cain, and he better stop him in that first round or else he will get stopped in the second or third.

Cain has also improved his stand up considerably. His KO of BigNo.g was a nice hook. That'd flatten most guys.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
At least it wasn't a prolonged beating or something that would suggest he's shot. Just a mistake that he'll probably rectify if there's a rematch. When you think of the number of near-impossible situations he's recovered from in fights, I guess one was always going to come that he couldn't get out of.
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It was a fluke win.

Fedor would still be a massive favorite in a rematch.

Fedor had to lose, anyone who thought he would never lose wasn't thinking straight. Basically he got careless, thought Werdum was more hurt than he was and jumped into a triangle. He should have made him get back up. Oh well. the Brock/Carwin fight has convinced me that Cain will probably be Brocks cryptonite.
 
Nucks said:
The ending to Carwin Chestnar wasn't predictable, but the entire fight up till that point was.

Brock might win the first round vs Cain, and he better stop him in that first round or else he will get stopped in the second or third.

Cain has also improved his stand up considerably. His KO of BigNo.g was a nice hook. That'd flatten most guys.
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Most guys, not including those who take 31 powershots to the face from Shane Carwin's ground and pound in round 1 and stay active and in the fight. Brock was on a card with Leben, Bonnar and Lytle and yet he was the one with the most impressive display of chin.
 
Ekeke said:
Most guys, not including those who take 31 powershots to the face from Shane Carwin's ground and pound in round 1 and stay active and in the fight. Brock was on a card with Leben and Lytle and yet he was the one with the most impressive display of chin.
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He still got seriously rocked by a punch and spent an entire round on his back getting the shit smashed out of him before gassing. Where was his super human strength and athleticism getting him out of that pickle? Lesnar may not be knocked out easily but he can obviously be dazed and he definitely doesn't have the quick recovery of say, Cain. I don't think he has the most convincing chin, if someone lands something on him he's in a lot of trouble, and an iron head won't get him past a fighter who'd know how to sub him.

Incidentally Cain is probably just going to try and punch his way to victory rather than sub him, which I suppose is why he got the title shot over JDS who has BJJ skills along with monstrous stand up. But Cain has a great chance against Lesnar anyway.
 
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Nobody would like Shane Carwin hitting them in the face. It would hurt anyone a lot, make them dizzy, etc. But most likely the only heavyweight in the UFC that wouldnt go lights out after 31 powershots to the face on the ground, and 5 more powershots standing, is Brock Lesnar. Is there any other heavyweight in the division who could have withstood that number of Carwin strikes? I dont think so.

Also on the suggestion that the fight should have been stopped. At no point were the majority of Carwin's ground and pound shots landing. Brock had his arms and hands blocking most of them. There was a passage of 3 or 4 shots - add another 2 or 3 solid shots and sure it should have been stopped. It was close and Carwin was unlucky, but definitely the right call. Carwin definitely gassed and in hindsight he should have paced himself. But before the fight nobody really knew Brock could handle such an onslaught, so pre-fight it would have sounded like a decent gameplan. As I said, nobody else in the UFC heavyweight division would have survived.
 
Ekeke said:
Nobody would like Shane Carwin hitting them in the face. It would hurt anyone a lot, make them dizzy, etc. But most likely the only heavyweight in the UFC that wouldnt go lights out after 31 powershots to the face on the ground, and 5 more powershots standing, is Brock Lesnar. Is there any other heavyweight in the division who could have withstood that number of Carwin strikes? I dont think so.
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Running away scared from a fighter and then letting him land 31 powershots to your face whilst laying hopelessly on the ground isn't the kind of behaviour you see from top heavyweights/champions. There's a circus sideshow element if the guy can survive it but otherwise it isn't exactly a positive reflection on Brock.

The UFC HW division got shown up last night. Their dominating champion became a cowering bitch and their #1 contender almost gassed to death in the first round. And this was supposed to be the biggest HW fight of all time? Bigger than Fedor-Crocop? In the end, Brock could've submitted Carwin via relentless arse tickling.
 
Raoul said:
Damn. Carwin nearly finished him in the first. Good comeback from Brock.

Brock v Cain should be a good fight. Not sure where Carwin goes from here.
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Carwin will fight someone, maybe Herring or Nogeira, before getting another go at Brock.

I doubt Cain has a hope of beating Brock. Maybe in a couple of years, but he isn't big enough to keep Brock down and g&p him.

Carwin could beat Brock but he obviously needs to improve his cardio by at least 500%.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
From the looks of it if Carwin had actually taken his time and measured his shots he might have knocked him spark out.
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Pretty sure this will be the case with every Shane Carwin fight in his career. With his punching power the right connection will knock anyone out. And he'll land at least a couple of shots in every fight. Picking the right shots and luck will determine who gets knocked out and who doesnt.
 
been a tough week - first fedor making such a stupid mistake, then carwin failing to finish cock, i mean broc. he should have taken his time and picked his punches, not throw so many weak ones against brocs forearms.

also, i don't think broc was ill at all. i think dana had him in training to improve his skills cos he knew he would get smashed up when he met someone decent
 
Interesting that Shane was stuffing Brock's unstoppable takedowns with relative ease up until he froze up from exhaustion. Could have kept the fight standing. But can't blame him for steaming in like he did, Brock was shitting himself, just turned out he has a Fujita-esque head and knows how to turtle up with those big arms.

I was thinking last night that it'd be interesting if someone compared Lesnar-Carwin to Russow-Duffee, the last Homer Simpson type performance in the UFC. Russow must've taken way more clean shots that Lesnar, against a monstrous HW prospect with proven KO power. He stood hopelessly with Duffee for the best part of three rounds and then knocked him out with a shot to the temple.

Russow > Lesnar? Russow - Carwin could be an interesting fight :D He can compete with Lesnar to see who the next Fujita is
 
UBERScholes said:
Cain doesn't need to knock Lesnar out, he just has to be around when he gasses. It doesn't matter how freakish Lesnar is he isn't just going to take down Cain at will and lie on top of him for 5 straight rounds. Plus Lesnar isn't going to find anyone else as stupid/arrogant as Frank Mir who'll just lay there and eat punches waiting to win by submission. Problem with Cain is he has a questionable chin so can't rule out Lesnar taking him out round 1, although ordinarily I wouldn't rate Lesnar's ability to finish that quickly.

And whilst Lesnar may have proven he can't be knocked out by ferocious ground and pound, he's still proven further that he can be seriously punished for his willingness to trade with superior strikers. Carwin doesn't really have a skillset, but the likes of Fedor, JDS, even Overeem could destroy Lesnar standing, whilst having the skills and options to finish him afterwards (Now it seems Lesnar is another Fujita and has an iron head).
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What part of his 8-0 record leads you to that strange conclusion?
 
UBERScholes said:
Interesting that Shane was stuffing Brock's unstoppable takedowns with relative ease up until he froze up from exhaustion. Could have kept the fight standing. But can't blame him for steaming in like he did, Brock was shitting himself, just turned out he has a Fujita-esque head and knows how to turtle up with those big arms.

I was thinking last night that it'd be interesting if someone compared Lesnar-Carwin to Russow-Duffee, the last Homer Simpson type performance in the UFC. Russow must've taken way more clean shots that Lesnar, against a monstrous HW prospect with proven KO power. He stood hopelessly with Duffee for the best part of three rounds and then knocked him out with a shot to the temple.

Russow > Lesnar? Russow - Carwin could be an interesting fight :D He can compete with Lesnar to see who the next Fujita is
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So now Duffee hits as hard as Shane Carwin? Alright then. Lets see how far that takes him next time.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
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What part of his 8-0 record leads you to that strange conclusion?
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He's been rocked multiple times. Watch the Kongo fight for example. Although he's shown fantastic recovery, and it's still not really proven one way or another, there are question marks around his chin at the moment. I hope he puts those fears to bed, he'd be a great champion.

So now Duffee hits as hard as Shane Carwin? Alright then. Lets see how far that takes him next time.
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He was 6-0, all his victories came via TKO/KO, he bagged the fastest knockout in UFC history and he's looked a very accomplished, technical boxer. He was a Mir or Gonzaga away from being ducked by Fedor :D

In any case, Russow showed a fantastic chin in that fight, it was a really gutsy performance. Fujita would have been proud.
 
UBERScholes said:
He's been rocked multiple times. Watch the Kongo fight for example. Although he's shown fantastic recovery, and it's still not really proven one way or another, there are question marks around his chin at the moment. I hope he puts those fears to bed, he'd be a great champion.
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He took 2 hard right hands on the chin from one of the hardest hitters in the heavyweight division, recovered almost immediately and dominated the fight. I'd say if anything, that shows evidence of a fairly good chin.

Saying that, I'd be surprised if he beats Brock. He doesn't hit nearly as hard as Carwin and his best hope would be to try and avoid the takedown and hope Brock gasses after a couple of rounds whilst picking him off on the feet.
 
UBERScholes said:
Running away scared from a fighter and then letting him land 31 powershots to your face whilst laying hopelessly on the ground isn't the kind of behaviour you see from top heavyweights/champions.

Their dominating champion became a cowering bitch .
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You serious Scholesy, try taking even a stiff jab off those 4oz ers, i know some of the fighters in 116 took some heavy head shots but when Carwin hits you on the chin you would just try to survive.
 
Carwin wasnt landed any of his shots seriously. Like most MMA guys, they dont strike that well and its a lot of thrown punches rather than measured ones. Brock got rocked no doubt, but he blocked most of the power with his hands thus didnt take much punishment and was able to beat Carwin.

Brock winning is great for UFC though. Nobody else will be able to take down Brock. Brocks wrestling will be superior to most, he will be bigger than most and will be as quick as most despite his size. Its going to take something special to beat him. Im glad Brock retained and the scary thing is it was only his what, 5th or 6th fight? He will improve. Yes he has weakness' but given hes only been doing this for around 4-5 years at most is amazing.
 
Ekeke said:
Most guys, not including those who take 31 powershots to the face from Shane Carwin's ground and pound in round 1 and stay active and in the fight. Brock was on a card with Leben, Bonnar and Lytle and yet he was the one with the most impressive display of chin.
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Brock admittedly got rocked by Mir. Mir is not a big puncher.
 
People underestimate Cain. Speed beats power. Cain is much faster than Brock, if he game plans correctly he will have Brock chasing shadows for a round or two and then swarm him with his relentless take downs.

It doesn't matter if Brock gets up over and over, Cain will grab a leg and run around the ring with it until Brock topples, and do it over and over until Brock is exhausted. Once this happens Cain can win any way he wants.

We've seen in TWO fights Brock has a limited, very limited gas tank. He was on the verge of going into an oxygen deficit stage vs Randy, and he was gassing vs Carwin as well.

Neither of these guys could drive the tempo like Cain can, Cain runs around the ring like a 155'r which is INSANE for a heavy. Brock really has to win the fight before he gasses probably in the first or early second. If it goes beyond that I would say Cain becomes the heavy favorite.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
He took 2 hard right hands on the chin from one of the hardest hitters in the heavyweight division, recovered almost immediately and dominated the fight. I'd say if anything, that shows evidence of a fairly good chin.

Saying that, I'd be surprised if he beats Brock. He doesn't hit nearly as hard as Carwin and his best hope would be to try and avoid the takedown and hope Brock gasses after a couple of rounds whilst picking him off on the feet.
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Shows he might be difficult to knock out but he can be wobbled and he could be punished for it. He showed good instincts to close down Kongo immediately after getting rocked but someone like Brock could take advantage of it, especially since Brock's only chance is to lie on top of him for five rounds. Although Cain should be able to avoid anything Brock throws standing, I doubt Brock will test his chin too much, standing or on the ground.

You serious Scholesy, try taking even a stiff jab off those 4oz ers, i know some of the fighters in 116 took some heavy head shots but when Carwin hits you on the chin you would just try to survive.
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It isn't like Brock's the only fighter who's been rattled by a punch, seeing a top heavyweight respond like that to some sloppy standup is shocking, not often you see it.
 
Mark Hunt's coming to the UFC, and I'm looking forward to it. Promises some entertaining fights if he gets the right opponents. He's on 5 straight losses at the moment but Barnett - Fedor - Overeem - Manhoef - Mousasi is a bit of a meatgrinder, hopefully he can come back and get some W's.

Interesting addition to the Lesnar vs Russow debate as well :D Although Manhoef KO'd him they guy has a Fujita like head

 
I know this is probably a dumb question coming from a big MMA fan, but who's this Fujita dude everyone mentions?
 
Aoki and Mousasi back to winning ways after Dream :D

Aoki is brilliant, amazing grappler. If he could just develop any kind of stand up game he'd be frightening.


Mousasi finished O'Brian quickly as well. Although O'Brian weighed in 21 lbs overweight :eek: I'm hoping Mousasi gets a rematch with King Mo and beats the shit out of him.
 
I'm mainly looking forward to Gomi vs Griffin. Could be a great fight, I hope Gomi can put the loss to Florian behind him and get into form. Great fighter.
 
I think utd match is saturday night and ufc is sunday night. its all good can watch both live due to bank holiday.
 
is it shown on another channel the next day after the live event? (only just got into this and want to know where i can watch it on tv or sky)
 
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