Seems to be doing well with his business ventures (hunting/fishing/game meat/youtube etc).
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Seems to be doing well with his business ventures (hunting/fishing/game meat/youtube etc).
The oblique kick? Think he was the first fighter to really make use of them, or at least significant use. He caught a fair bit of flack for it at the time.
Precisely. Crazy how they can make a fuss over kicks to the knee region but haymakers to the temple are fair game.
Yep. How dare you try and force my joint the wrong way with a kick. Much better to grab hold of the leg and twist it with your hands.
The oblique kick is legal isn’t it?
Having an argument with a friend - would the likes of McGregor win against a professional rugby player (imagine 6’5 and 110kg) if they stepped in the cage right now?
Easily and quickly
It was frowned upon for a while to the extent it almost got outlawed. If you have long legs it should be your first form of self defence that kick, it stops people getting near you
Yeah, it is. Not sure if other combat sports allow it or not, but a few fighters have called for it to be made illegal in the past. As @Arbitrium states, if you are long limbed it really is an excellent way of maintaining distance.
Assuming the rugby player is untrained, yeah
Fair play. I can see that it can damage the knee (hyperextend?) but I don’t think it’s brutal enough to outlaw. I mean, this is martial arts ffs
It’s because it can put you out of action for a while, wouldn’t be able to train properly etc. Essentially, it’s an income killer.
Would it really be that easy? McGregor is 5ft 8 and 70kg. A 6ft 5, 110kg professional athlete (with all the strength & fitness that implies) is bound to cause some difficulty.
I mean size difference has to come into it at some point. Would Mighty Mouse also win easily? The smaller female fighters? The skills gap isn't everything.
Nope, if they are untrained they’ll get picked off with absolute ease. Any elite trained fighter will absolutely destroy a non trained fighter regardless of size and profession. The rugby player would go for a take down the way a rugby player goes in for a tackle and would get kneed into oblivion. It doesn’t matter what size you are, trained killers know where to hit you that hurts the most and a non trained rugby player has no hope in hell of defending it.
Nah, that can't be right. Referring back to an argument Joe Rogan had on his podcast once, that logic would mean you'd back Rose Namajunas (5ft 4, 56kg) to beat a NFL monster like Tanoh Kpassagnon (6ft 8, 131kg)? A disparity in strength, size and power that big is gonna tell.
And sex
Not sure why sex would come into it if physical attributes don't matter and it's just about skill but alright, you'd back Mighty Mouse (5ft 2, 57kg) to beat Tanoh Kpassagnon (6ft 8, 131kg) with ease? Because I would definitely take that bet.
Every single day of the week. Do you think Mighty Mouse would be handy as a wide receiver in the nfl?
The big man would just walk through MM shots, MM wouldn't be able to keep him off and wouldn't have the strength to do anything in a clinch.
He'd be smothered.
You should dig out some very early UFC footage, before they had weight classes. Plenty of examples of little guys destroying much bigger fighters. Royce Gracie especially.
And these big guys getting their arses handed to them were trained at fighting. I reckon even a massive dude with no experience fighting would get absolutely creamed by a much smaller elite MMA fighter.
Exactly. Told ya @Arbitrium.
If size mattered that little then Mighty Mouse could have been facing off against the lesser UFC heavyweights too as his skillset is far beyond theirs.
Basic body mechanics surely dictate that there's a limit to the amount of strength and power a smaller body can produce? In which case even a supremely skilled tiny fighter will struggle to produce the power needed to hurt a much, much larger man.
People talk about fighters having insufficient power when they hop up one division ffs, let alone when they face people literally twice their size.
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Big bloke would be taken down and submitted within a couple of minutes. Everyone is the same height lying down and there’s no better combat sport than BJJ to nullify a size disadvantage.
By 5'2 MM?
He's almost a dwarf, does he trip him up? If the big man closes the distance I can't see how MM can fend him off to get the space for a takedown.
Especially if the man is a 6'8 A grade athlete himself.
What are you on about? The lesser UFC heavyweights are still professionally trained fighters. We are talking about large rugby/NFL players here with no cage fighting experience.
The ignorance towards top, top level martial arts training here is appalling.
Yeah, he’d trip him up. Easily enough. No way could someone who isn’t trained in martial arts stays on their feet in a fight against someone who is trained.
I just can't see it but I guess we'll never know.
Sorry, the second bit of that post was an edit in response to Pogue's above. Only the I told ya so bit was directed at you.
It’s hilarious that people think a non trained fighter can just take hold of a world class MMA expert and that even someone like Mighty Mouse wouldn’t be able to do anything 
There’s not many people out there in the world that would beat The top level guys, but the ones that would are colleagues or in other top MMA organizations, not athletes in other sports.
There’s not many people out there in the world that would beat The top level guys, but the ones that would are colleagues or in other top MMA organizations, not athletes in other sports.
Yeah but you didn’t tell me, you just had someone agree with your opinion. Size doesn’t matter when it’s world class fighter versus no fighting experience at all
All things being equal of course size matters. In early UFC there was a big disparity in skillsets so you could see little guys wipe the floor with much bigger guys. Which makes it a good way to see how an elite MMA fighter would easily defeat an untrained fighter, no matter how big they are.
Obviously contemporary trained MMA fighter vs trained MMA fighter is a different matter entirely but that’s not the context being discussed.
Going to extremes then, there's no way a full grown adult rugby player would be able to stay on their feet if a trained 10 year old child tried to take him down?
The idea that size and strength would have literally zero influence on a fight is insane. Once you accept it does then there logically has to be a point where the difference is extreme enough to offset a difference in skill too, even one as great as between a trained and non-trained fighter.
Of course you can take it to ludicrous extremes to try and prove the point. No amount of MMA training would help a 3 year old child beat an NFL linebacker in a fight.
In the specific example you used above, though, my money is on Mighty Mouse every time. And presumably we’re only talking about semi-plausible scenarios here, rather than adults kicking the feck out of toddlers.
This is the question that started the debate, right?
The answer is 100% yes. Absolutely no doubt about the result.
If you jump to 7.40 Rogan and Schaub are on my side, though tbf Eddie Bravo is on yours.
Now I'm not sure how much that helps as all three are idiots but this is vaguely their wheelhouse.
The whole argument sort of applies as if skill overwhelms size that much then the sex of the fighter shouldn't matter either. As in my original example above, Rose Namajunas should also be able to beat the giant NFL player given she's far more skilled.
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So would an actual cat, without MMA training be able to beat up mighty mouse? Because if we're taking extremes, I'd say a cat can beat up a mouse.
This is a sport where you can knee people in the head and we're talking about income killers?
No they wouldn't.
How do you imagine they would do it?
I can get on board with the idea that there’s a cut off point in terms of strength below which there’s no way someone can defeat a really big, strong, athletic dude. They just can’t hit them hard enough to do damage or crank on their limb or neck hard enough to make them submit and the longer the fight goes on the more likely the disparity in strength means they end up being overwhelmed. That makes sense to me. So I could definitely see very tiny female fighters not being capable of beating a massive male athlete in an MMA fight.
Conor McGregor is plenty strong enough to feck up a rugby player, though, and would do it fairly easily. Mighty Mouse would too. They’re both small dudes but would be well able to knock or choke any rugby player out.
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