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Raoul said:
Interesting exchange between Rogan and Barnett about Jones at the beginning of this clip

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I dunno if I could take Rogan seriously regarding Jones, he's been pushing his narrative that it was coke laced with something since the test got done and forcing it down everyones throat.
 
Oggmonster said:
I dunno if I could take Rogan seriously regarding Jones, he's been pushing his narrative that it was coke laced with something since the test got done and forcing it down everyones throat.
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He's simply repeating the facts as they are known and Barnett is providing some context. Jones apparently bought his stuff from some place that sold SARMs and various peptides which didn't help his case. He then tested negative, positive, negative which makes no sense at all and suggests it was all some sort of mix up as opposed to the actions of someone looking for a PED advantage, since if it were the latter it would've stayed in his system for a long time for it to have any benefit.
 
Raoul said:
He's simply repeating the facts as they are known and Barnett is providing some context. Jones apparently bought his stuff from some place that sold SARMs and various peptides which didn't help his case. He then tested negative, positive, negative which makes no sense at all and suggests it was all some sort of mix up as opposed to the actions of someone looking for a PED advantage, since if it were the latter it would've stayed in his system for a long time for it to have any benefit.
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I can't really take Joe Rogan seriously on certain things. He's got a pretty good relationship with Jon jones apparently at that always seems to skew his views on certain things and people....it's natural in fairness to him you'd defend your friends.

Stuff has been brought up in the past about Jones as well, hiding under the mat for 8 hours, before the 1st DC fight people brought up suspicions, he has then failed 2 drugs tests. If he gets hardly any punishment or non at all cos people believe his version of events then I'll happily watch him fight again cos I enjoy his fights. Just me belief is with his history that he has cheated and people seem to make bigger defences for him than others. I reckon if another less popular fighter was coming up with these excuses he'd have far less sympathy.
 
Oggmonster said:
I can't really take Joe Rogan seriously on certain things. He's got a pretty good relationship with Jon jones apparently at that always seems to skew his views on certain things and people....it's natural in fairness to him you'd defend your friends.

Stuff has been brought up in the past about Jones as well, hiding under the mat for 8 hours, before the 1st DC fight people brought up suspicions, he has then failed 2 drugs tests. If he gets hardly any punishment or non at all cos people believe his version of events then I'll happily watch him fight again cos I enjoy his fights. Just me belief is with his history that he has cheated and people seem to make bigger defences for him than others. I reckon if another less popular fighter was coming up with these excuses he'd have far less sympathy.
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The facts about his situations are obviously going to be relevant when deciding his suspension. If it was any other fighter no one would care, but because its the best fighter in the business, everyone wants to see him come back soon. DC included.
 
Raoul said:
The facts about his situations are obviously going to be relevant when deciding his suspension. If it was any other fighter no one would care, but because its the best fighter in the business, everyone wants to see him come back soon. DC included.
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I never claimed they wouldn't be. Just I find his excuses hard to believe. There's much more clever people than me that will be working on his defence though so if he gets off or a lighter sentence fair play to him I'd like to see him fight again. Just my personal opinion is he did cheat.
 
Raoul said:
He's talking a lot of sense but its also simultaneously a bit weird listening to Rogan talking to Jones like he's his Dad telling him to get his life in order.
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It is weird, totally, but man Jones needed to hear that so maybe he can drag his head out of the sand and face reality.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
It’s not bollocks tho, it was proven. Provided a sample to Usada they tested it and found that it had trace elements. Then on the latest one looks to be a similar situation. Passed every test up to the fight, pissed hot just before the fight then straight after pissed negative.

You can piss hot for the tiniest amount that wouldn’t even be enough to give you any sort of athletic boost but you’ll be labelled a drug cheat.

You should look for some Jeff Novitzky “the golden snitch” interviews and see how they go about testing tainted supplements and so on. He’s the head of USADA.

Jones is no doubt an absolute feck up and really I have no love for the man but the drug cheat thing isn’t black and white at all. As for supposed rumours of hiding from testers that is an automatic fail unless you are Wanderlei Silva and the Brazilian sporting government has your back and refuses Usada entry.

Aldo,Brandao,Hendricks,Vitor, Overeem clearly more prominent PED users and not much gets said on them.
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Sure about that? :lol:
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Sure about that? :lol:
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Ok Ubereem and Super Titor maybe get mentioned but not quite to the Jones level of main stream sports.
Aldo and Brandao those guys were doping for sure, as soon as USADA kicked in their bodies all of a sudden changed drastically.

Has anyone ever come across a steroid user. It’s crazy. I wouldn’t be against using Testosterone as you get older. Not in sport of course, but I trained with this guy and he was never as strong as me and I could always push harder and longer. Different body types of course.

I went off shore came back after 6 weeks and we were doing our usual and he was lifting more than me and able to keep going. I knew something was up as no way he got that strong that quickly and eventually he admitted to using roids and honestly by the time he’d stopped it looked obvious. He was quite a natural slim guy but all of a sudden no neck, weird proportions all over, it just looked weird. However in 1 month basically of cycling he was benching 30kg more, shoulder press was like 10-20 kg more was just insane. Now imagine someone kicking or punching you with that sort of strength and power.
 
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Look at Lesnar. Came back juiced to the gills to fight Hunt and collect a couple of million for 30 minutes of work. Then predictably gets popped for PEDs. Hunt was understandably pissed.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Ok Ubereem and Super Titor maybe get mentioned but not quite to the Jones level of main stream sports.
Aldo and Brandao those guys were doping for sure, as soon as USADA kicked in their bodies all of a sudden changed drastically.
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Jones gets mentioned more because he's a current title challenger with talk of being the GOAT.

The rest of the users have been shit so no one gives a crap.
 
George Owen said:
Speaking of cheaters, this weekend is the comeback of Money Mendes haha.
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I have a lot of time for Chad. Been following his YouTube channel for a while and always thought he was a good fighter before the extended break. Hope he comes back strong.
 
Arbitrium said:
Does anyone know what exactly the drugs jones took would do to his performance? Just strength and endurance enhancement?
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Just think of everything as a shortcut. All drugs.

Very simplified outline but imagine you need 100 hard workouts to get 1% bigger/faster. Drugs will enable you to do those workouts at a higher intensity in a far shorter time-frame. Less recovery.

A clean athlete can get just as fit/strong/fast as a dirty one. But the dirty athlete is buying time that the clean athlete loses.

That's a HUGELY simplified version of events.
 
Raoul said:
I have a lot of time for Chad. Been following his YouTube channel for a while and always thought he was a good fighter before the extended break. Hope he comes back strong.
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Me too. If nothing else he's honest. Voluntarily continued to follow USADA test protocols while on a ban.
 
Raoul said:
I have a lot of time for Chad. Been following his YouTube channel for a while and always thought he was a good fighter before the extended break. Hope he comes back strong.
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I like him too but i don't expect him to be much of a success this time around. Team Alpha Male is crap, so he probably hasn't evolved much since the last time we saw him. Also, it seems Conor pretty much destroyed that chin. (i would like to see him at Bantamweight)

Now he faces another big FW on Myles Jury.
 
George Owen said:
I like him too but i don't expect him to be much of a success this time around. Team Alpha Male is crap, so he probably hasn't evolved much since the last time we saw him. Also, it seems Conor pretty much destroyed that chin.

Now he faces another big FW on Myles Jury.
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Thought he did well in the Conor fight. Three take downs, a good bit of ground and pound before finally gassing to where Conor took him out. All that while subbing in for an injured Aldo as well. Not expecting that much from him this time, but still good to see him back in action.
 
George Owen said:
Why? Definitely not the most brilliant, but a good guy.

I don't follow him or listen to his podcast, but I'm glad he is putting the bald feck in his place.
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Because he's a flip flopping moron.
His fakeness just rubs me up the wrong way. I also just looked this up. He hasn't got two TV shows and UFC are having an incredible financial year after the buyout, even this is riddle with nonsense.
World wide stand up tour, I'm not even going to look at that!


MMA is in dire need of proper journalists that have mainstream appeal because having people like Brendan shape opinions hurts the sport.
 
The idea Jones has just got unlucky twice in taking a dodgy medication/supplements is simply too unlikely.

Take into consideration his testosterone levels before the first fight with DC - http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Vi...Levels-Before-UFC-182-Highly-Suspicious-80631

Then add in the "rumours" that he hid from USADA for 8 hours -

Then you've got not 1, but 2 failed test. One of the substances was the same thing his close friend and team mate Frank Mir got caught for. And add in his brothers in the NFL testing positive for banned substances and they also used the tainted supplements excuse.

It's quite frankly laughable that anyone would believe he's clean.
 
Ballache said:
I don't mind a bit showmanship tbh, it's to get casuals more involved.
Problem for the UFC is that people who want to watch good fights aren't enough to sustain the business.
For example, Gastelum vs Whittaker has me so pumped as an MMA fan but I doubt many people will care.
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But what I don't get is how are you going to bring new fans in with "fights" involving the likes of CM Punk? They'll want to prye their eyes out.

Surely a good slugfest like Johnson vs Gaethje is the way to get new people interested in the sport? But yeah, I guess you have to get them here first.
 
Vato said:
But what I don't get is how are you going to bring new fans in with "fights" involving the likes of CM Punk? They'll want to prye their eyes out.

Surely a good slugfest like Johnson vs Gaethje is the way to get new people interested in the sport? But yeah, I guess you have to get them here first.
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You've answered your own question there. Get them in with Punk, keep them with the likes of Gaethje.
 
Vato said:
But what I don't get is how are you going to bring new fans in with "fights" involving the likes of CM Punk? They'll want to prye their eyes out.

Surely a good slugfest like Johnson vs Gaethje is the way to get new people interested in the sport? But yeah, I guess you have to get them here first.
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I think the logic is put punk on the card and then people will watch other fighters as well as Punk and tune in in the future to watch them instead of Punk
 
Vato said:
But what I don't get is how are you going to bring new fans in with "fights" involving the likes of CM Punk? They'll want to prye their eyes out.

Surely a good slugfest like Johnson vs Gaethje is the way to get new people interested in the sport? But yeah, I guess you have to get them here first.
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Exactly, besides Brock Lesnar is a legit high level Wrestler and a former UFC champ so it's different. The whole CM Punk business was a joke, Brock is different.
What I meant was that if you're an MMA fan, you'll watch almost anything but from a business perspective I can understand why the UFC do what they do at times.
They also need to move away from the whole PPV model. I'd pay more for Fight Pass if it meant I could watch all the fights whenever I wanted.
 
Oggmonster said:
Each to their own, it'll go round in circles this so no point in debating it.

I'd personally say failing 2 drug tests (whether you have ready made excuses or not) pretty much makes you some kind of drugs cheat in all honesty.

You (and others as well) think he may have a way out. He may well do so but in my opinion he's a cheat and I'll never get why he's given such a pass. If people want to give him such it's their choice.
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He’s given slack because he’s an amazing fighter with incredible skill and technique that is just a cut above anything anyone else is capable of IMO.
 
Home from work sick, so i can sit up and watch the event.

Haven't been following the UFC that closely the last couple years, too much WWE for my liking now.
I had actually forgotten that Sage Northcutt existed, he looked amazing when he started doing mma, and then he lost (2 times?), and sort of disappeared.
You guys think he can still be the next big thing?

Any fights i should look out for tonight? I don't know many fighters outside the main card.
 
Grylte said:
Home from work sick, so i can sit up and watch the event.

Haven't been following the UFC that closely the last couple years, too much WWE for my liking now.
I had actually forgotten that Sage Northcutt existed, he looked amazing when he started doing mma, and then he lost (2 times?), and sort of disappeared.
You guys think he can still be the next big thing?

Any fights i should look out for tonight? I don't know many fighters outside the main card.
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Not sure he'll be the next big thing but he's become underrated as a lot of fans like to hate on a lot of the young fighters that can heavy pushes early in their careers. He's still only 22. He should probably get credit for competing at the highest level at such an early age but some turned against him due to his push. Tough fight for him tonight.

Some good fights on the card. Keep an eye out for Jury/Mendes which should be very good. Zingano opens the show and desperately needs a win. JDS is back after over a year in the main event and quite a few fancy him to lose, personally think he wins this.
 
UFC Boise

Main card (Fox Sports 1)
Heavyweight Junior dos Santos vs. Blagoy Ivanov
Welterweight Sage Northcutt vs. Zak Ottow
Featherweight Dennis Bermudez vs. Rick Glenn
Welterweight Randy Brown vs. Niko Price
Featherweight Myles Jury vs. Chad Mendes
Women's Bantamweight Cat Zingano vs. Marion Reneau

Preliminary card (Fox Sports 1)
Bantamweight Eddie Wineland vs. Alejandro Pérez
Featherweight Darren Elkins vs. Alexander Volkanovski
Flyweight Justin Scoggins vs. Said Nurmagomedov
Featherweight Kurt Holobaugh vs. Raoni Barcelos

Preliminary card (UFC Fight Pass)
Women's Flyweight Liz Carmouche vs. Jennifer Maia
Flyweight Mark De La Rosa vs. Elias Garcia
Women's Strawweight Jessica Aguilar vs. Jodie Esquibel
 
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