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[Raoul]

Very even fight. Thought Till may have done just enough in the judges eyes to eek out a close win after knocking Wonderboy down in the 5th.

Thought Wonderboy was a bit too cautious and inactive, and spent too much time waiting to counter Till's advances than actually creating more of his own.

These two factors as well as the home town influence likely nudged the decision into Till's favor.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

They put on some sort of UFC flashback thing and one of the fights was Lawler vs Condit. What a fight that was, still a little shocked Lawler got the decision on that one. Feel like Condits been screwed a few tomes as he beat Hendricks in my opinion as well.

 

[Fortitude]

Superb fight.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Superb fight.

 

[RedFish]

Very close and technical fight, can't see how anyone won that fight really. No one did enough to be a clear winner, Wonderboy was cleaner with the hands and Till did more work with his legs. I guess the crowd played a part with the 49-46 cards.

A draw would have been fair. I can see 48-47 either way. Till as much as I detest him, looks more the real deal with every fight. Defensively and technically, he's obviously well schooled.

 

[Fortitude]

A draw would have been fair. I can see 48-47 either way. Till as much as I detest him, looks more the real deal with every fight. Defensively and technically, he's obviously well schooled.

Everything about both fighters was superb. I expect the depth of what was going on to go over heads, but the spectacle is top level. Won't be many fights of that calibre in the UFC this year.

Thompson shouldn't have taken the fight, but then again. Dana. @Oggmonster

He's in big trouble now because he'll be given dud fights. Doubt we see him contending a title again, which is a shame.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Jesus christ, you were serious? Which feint entertained you the most?

I get trying to portray yourself as some kind of scholar of the martial arts, but come on.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Jesus christ, you were serious? Which feint entertained you the most?

I get trying to portray yourself as some kind of scholar of the martial arts, but come on.

In hindsight yes, it was boring but at the time of the fight, I was edge of my seat waiting for an explosion. Same happened during WB v Woodley 2.

 

[Fortitude]

Jesus christ, you were serious? Which feint entertained you the most?

I get trying to portray yourself as some kind of scholar of the martial arts, but come on.

Do you, or have you ever done martial arts?

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Do you, or have you ever done martial arts?

Yes. And I can tell you in good faith, that 'fight' was boring.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

In hindsight yes, it was boring but at the time of the fight, I was edge of my seat waiting for an explosion. Same happened during WB v Woodley 2.

It was boring at the time, though. No hindsight is required. Look back in this thread at the posts when the fight was happening.

 

[Fortitude]

Yes. And I can tell you in good faith, that 'fight' was boring.

There was nothing boring about that fight if you're aware of what you're watching. The technical level, lateral movement, spatial awareness and a host of other things were absolutely top class. A standard you don't get in the UFC very often at all.

 

[Fortitude]

It was boring at the time, though. No hindsight is required. Look back in this thread at the posts when the fight was happening.

You need a consensus to analyse a fight? So what the crowd goes with is the un-disputable?

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

There was nothing boring about that fight if you're aware of what you're watching. The technical level, lateral movement, spatial awareness and a host of other things were absolutely top class. A standard you don't get in the UFC very often at all.

I am fully aware of what I was watching. NOTHING HAPPENED. 20 minutes of circling, throwing the occasional leg kick, feints, throw some arm punches, touch gloves, and hug. There was a little bit of excitement when WB went down but that's about it.

Have you ever done any martial arts?

 

[Dirty Schwein]

It was boring at the time, though. No hindsight is required. Look back in this thread at the posts when the fight was happening.

I'm telling you of my personal experience. I was tense the whole time. Which is far more exciting than one sided beatdowns that you sometimes get e.g. Ngannou v Miocic.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

You need a consensus to analyse a fight? So what the crowd goes with is the un-disputable?

No, I don't.

 

[Fortitude]

I am fully aware of what I was watching. NOTHING HAPPENED. 20 minutes of circling, throwing the occasional leg kick, feints, throw some arm punches, touch gloves, and hug. There was a little bit of excitement when WB went down but that's about it.

Have you ever done any martial arts?

You clearly like a pub fight. This was not the fight for you.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I'm telling you of my personal experience. I was tense the whole time. Which is far more exciting than one sided beatdowns that you sometimes get e.g. Ngannou v Miocic.

That's fine. You know who else was tense during that fight? Fortitude. He couldn't envisage any scenario in which Stipe won.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

You clearly like a pub fight. This was not the fight for you.

No, I like a fight. It's not the Ultimate Feinting Championship.

 

[Raoul]

I'm telling you of my personal experience. I was tense the whole time. Which is far more exciting than one sided beatdowns that you sometimes get e.g. Ngannou v Miocic.

Thought Ngannou v Miocic was a proper classic for the ages. Had a bit of a David v Goliath feel to it.

 

[Fortitude]

No, I like a fight. It's not the Ultimate Feinting Championship.

No, I was right the first time. Like I said, not the fight for you. Boring, indeed.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

No, I was right the first time. Like I said, not the fight for you. Boring, indeed.

Boring is right. Hey, if you want to pretend that was some kind of masterclass in which nothing happened, that only you understand, that's fine.

 

[Raoul]

No, I was right the first time. Like I said, not the fight for you. Boring, indeed.

Other than the knock down in the 5th, which parts of the fight did you notice any significant action in ?

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

MMA pros react to the fight. Guess they don't possess the level of 'understanding' that Fortitude does, either.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/5/...react-to-darren-till-vs-stephen-thompson-more

 

[RedFish]

Yes. And I can tell you in good faith, that 'fight' was boring.

High level fights are like this often as you know.

Nunes v Schevchenko (both fights)
Woodley v Wonderboy (both fights)
etc, etc

Obviously Till trying to counter a counter striker in Wonderboy made the fight what it was, but that is a sign of respect for the level of opponent. I mean, it's not like he's chicken is it?!

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Thought Ngannou v Miocic was a proper classic for the ages. Had a bit of a David v Goliath feel to it.

Personal taste I guess. I was super hyped for this contest but could tell pretty early that Miocic had his number. From then on, it was just a matter of seeing out the fight. But I understand that different people enjoy different fights.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

High level fights are like this often as you know.

Nunes v Schevchenko (both fights)
Woodley v Wonderboy (both fights)
etc, etc

Obviously Till trying to counter a counter striker in Wonderboy made the fight what it was, but that is a sign of respect for the level of opponent. I mean, it's not like he's chicken is it?!

No. You don't have to pretend it was some kind of master class in combat sports, either, though.

 

[Raoul]

High level fights are like this often as you know.

Nunes v Schevchenko (both fights)
Woodley v Wonderboy (both fights)
etc, etc

Obviously Till trying to counter a counter striker in Wonderboy made the fight what it was, but that is a sign of respect for the level of opponent. I mean, it's not like he's chicken is it?!

That's true to an extent, but it doesn't necessarily mean that two cagey opponents who are weary of one another makes for a particularly sophisticated fight. Both Till and WB were fairly defensive and inactive for much of the fight.

 

[Fortitude]

Other than the knock down in the 5th, which parts of the fight did you notice any significant action in ?

All of it? You don't need to throw a punch to have done something significant. Perhaps for the watching masses and the purpose of 'entertainment' that may be off-putting to some, but a fight that can be decided in an instant because of the technical level, guile and movement of both fighters is always going to be a spectacle as far as I'm concerned.

There were so many moments in that fight where less skilled or technically and mentally aware fighters would've been dropped, it's not even funny.

That wasn't defensive because they didn't engage, it was defensive because openings were few and far between and angles were being cut off before feet could be planted, and time and again position was reset because of that. That's something to marvel at, not act Dana White and boo, imo. All the fist bumping they were doing was in respect of the smarts of the other and what they were seeing and shutting down before it could become a problem. You're not going to see someone as arrogant and cocksure as Till act that way often, if again even. He's as a real a deal as he claims to be.

MMA pros react to the fight. Guess they don't possess the level of 'understanding' that Fortitude does, either.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/5/...react-to-darren-till-vs-stephen-thompson-more

This seeking validation through others thing you have doesn't actually strengthen your position. And, as I said already, that level of technical acumen is not seen often in the UFC, so whilst some fighters might acknowledge it, it doesn't mean they will appreciate it.

And in future, if you're going to debate, do so off your own back with your own thoughts, analysis and opinions, not that of any mass of people. I can tell you why I thought the fight was fantastic, can you tell me why it was boring? Because someone didn't get sparked? Because they weren't swinging for the fences with their chin in the clouds? My impression is you just want to see a scrap, nothing more or less, and if that's the case, it's not a surprise the fight was boring for you.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Christ almighty. You are absolutely clueless when it comes to combat sports. You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Be it boxing or MMA, you have no idea.

Ugh.

 

[No Love]

Fight wasn’t boring at the time, as the stakes were high and it felt like something from nothing could end the fight. However, not a fight I’d ever be inclined to back and watch. Kinda like Woodley-Wonderboy 2, in that regard.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Fight wasn’t boring at the time, as the stakes were high and it felt like something from nothing could end the fight. However, not a fight I’d ever be inclined to back and watch. Kinda like Woodley-Wonderboy 2, in that regard.

Disagree, I thought it was boring at the time and called it as such.

 

[Raoul]

All of it? You don't need to throw a punch to have done something significant. Perhaps for the watching masses and the purpose of 'entertainment' that may be off-putting to some, but a fight that can be decided in an instant because of the technical level, guile and movement of both fighters is always going to be a spectacle as far as I'm concerned.

There were so many moments in that fight where less skilled or technically and mentally aware fighters would've been dropped, it's not even funny.

That wasn't defensive because they didn't engage, it was defensive because openings were few and far between and angles were being cut off before feet could be planted, and time and again position was reset because of that. That's something to marvel at, not act Dana White and boo, imo. All the fist bumping they were doing was in respect of the smarts of the other and what they were seeing and shutting down before it could become a problem. You're not going to see someone as arrogant and cocksure as Till act that way often, if again even. He's as a real a deal as he claims to be.
This seeking validation through others thing you have doesn't actually strengthen your position. And, as I said already, that level of technical acumen is not seen often in the UFC, so whilst some fighters might acknowledge it, it doesn't mean they will appreciate it.
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But you do have to do something significant to have done something significant. Spare a bit of action in the 5th, there wasn't enough significant striking from either to have made for a great fight. Wonderboy ducking and weaving from Till's combinations and Till not getting fazed by Wonderboy's random reactive flurries doesn't make a great fight.

 

[Fortitude]

Christ almighty. You are absolutely clueless when it comes to combat sports. You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Be it boxing or MMA, you have no idea.

Ugh.

This should be the point where I add one of your obligatory green smilies.

Perhaps you could clue me up, in your own words. Or perhaps you should stop quoting me and then wasting my time and adding nothing to the conversation.

If you're going to continue to act in the way that you do, have some substance behind it at the very least.

Fight wasn’t boring at the time, as the stakes were high and it felt like something from nothing could end the fight. However, not a fight I’d ever be inclined to back and watch. Kinda like Woodley-Wonderboy 2, in that regard.

You're not allowed to think that.

But you do have to do something significant to have done something significant. Spare a bit of action in the 5th, there wasn't enough significant striking from either to have made for a great fight. Wonderboy ducking and weaving from Till's combinations and Till not getting fazed by Wonderboy's random reactive flurries doesn't make a great fight.

There was action, perhaps not the kind of action you want to see, but there was action and a spectacle of lateral movement and positional awareness from Wonderboy few others in the UFC could have displayed. Anyway, if you don't appreciate the movement and timing involved from both fighters, there's nothing that can be said that will sway your opinion.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I have already explained to you why it wasn't a good fight, never mind a superb one. Because very little fighting actually occurred.

But hey, you apparently are blown away by "the spectacle of lateral movement", which as everyone knows is the cornerstone of every superb fight throughout history.

 

[Fortitude]

You've explained nothing. But once again I'm in a silly dance with you when I should know nothing's going to come back.

 

[Fortitude]

Anyway... Till showed he has a great tank last night. His size isn't a hindrance especially so given he remained mobile for 25mins after having to make weight just a few hours earlier.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

You've explained nothing. But once again I'm in a silly dance with you when I should know nothing's going to come back.

I literally just told you! Are you trolling here?

EDIT balls to this, I'm done with you.

 

[JP77]

I had Wonderboy winning that one. Very close though, but disagree a lot with 49-46 for Till. Maybe I need to watch it again but on live viewing no chance I had him winning 4-1 in rounds even if they were all close rounds (bar five with the knockdown for Till).

Had a quick look to remind myself of the 225 card and man that looks like a great card.

Middleweight Robert Whittaker (c) vs. Yoel Romero [a]
Welterweight Rafael dos Anjos vs. Colby Covington
Women’s Featherweight Holly Holm vs. Megan Anderson
Heavyweight Andrei Arlovski vs. Tai Tuivasa
Welterweight CM Punk vs. Mike Jackson
Preliminary card (Fox Sports 1)
Heavyweight Alistair Overeem vs. Curtis Blaydes
Women's Strawweight Cláudia Gadelha vs. Carla Esparza
Featherweight Ricardo Lamas vs. Mirsad Bektić
Heavyweight Rashad Coulter vs. Chris de la Rocha
Preliminary card (UFC Fight Pass)
Light Heavyweight Rashad Evans vs. Anthony Smith
Flyweight Joseph Benavidez vs. Sergio Pettis
Lightweight Clay Guida vs. Bobby Green
Featherweight Mike Santiago vs. Dan Ige

Pumped to have Whittaker back. RDA/Covington should be really good. There's some cracking fights on the prelims though. Overeem on the prelims, Gadelha/Esparza, Lamas, Benavidez/Pettis, Guida/Green. Rashad too even if he should have retired by now. A lot of negativity for the Punk fight happening and it being on the main card but I hope that doesn't overshadow what looks like a really good card overall.

 

[TheReligion]

Well if @The Bloody-Nine and @Fortitude are finished dancing together I'll give you my opinion and I think both of you are going too far to either extreme..

Was it a superb fight? No it wasn't. It was a fight both fighters were scared to lose and that prevented them from taking almost any risks during the fight.

Was it a terrible fight? No it wasn't. Some of the movement and footwork on display was very high level. The highest infact. It was a technical chess match and certainly one for the purests.

Personally, and I do train, I wont be rushing to watch it back. In mixed martial arts though it's very much different strokes for different folks. I'm a BJJ guy so can really enjoy a ground tactical battle much more than one on the feet. Don't think there's a right or wrong answer but what I would say is @Fortitude you can come across a little condescending which is a shame as you're clearly knowledgeable.