nevermind trying to get multiple belts...
El Cucuy could easily fight in 155, 165 and 170 (he won TUF at 170)
I prefer less weight classes personally, would be too chaotic otherwise.
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nevermind trying to get multiple belts...
El Cucuy could easily fight in 155, 165 and 170 (he won TUF at 170)
I prefer less weight classes personally, would be too chaotic otherwise.
I agree it creates some kind of problem but equally it needs addressing at some point surely. Lee looked awful at the weigh ins last week, Khabib had to go to hospital and pulled out the Ferguson fight for example.
Eventually it would have to even itself out really. The UFC would have to recruit more fighters, I'm honestly not sure on the solution.
A 165 division could be great though so maybe I'm biased in that way, the 4 you mentioned would step up, Cerrone, Dos Anjos, Masvidal would all come down at least I'd guess and that's just off the top of my head. It could be a great division for the company and the sport to be honest. It would be a shame for the 55 division to lose the fighters I agree but it could see so many great fights.
Does anyone know what channel shows UFC in the states? I'm going to be over there for 217 but I honestly don't know how it works...so used to watching it for "free" on BT sport. How much are the PPV's? If anyone has been to Miami - do a lot of bars show it?
PPV are like USD $35... but yeah, you will find bars playing it, easy. Just google "UFC bar miami" and follow the map.
Is 5 pounds such a difference? Why can't these guys just compete at 170?
If you're watching a proper UFC (not fight night) event then the first hour or so of prelims is streamed on the UFC app or website. The next two hour hours of undercard is usually on Fox Sports 1 and then the actual PPV part is on PPV that you would order from your TV. Or if you don't have a home tv system you can pay about $60 to stream it on UFC.com, YouTube or the like.
Unbelievable how any fighter on the main PPV card made as little as 12k.
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UFC 216 salaries: Five fighters break $100,000 in 2.2 million dollar payroll
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/10/11/16462126/ufc-216-salaries-ferguson-vs-lee-2-million-mma-news
UFC 216 is in the books and while it wasn’t a huge card in terms of viewership (presumably), guys on the top of the card did make some decent money. Five fighters made over $100,000, with Tony Ferguson leading the way at a cool half million for his UFC interim lightweight title win over Kevin Lee.
Flyweight champion Demetrious Johnson, who pulled off one of the most insane submissions in the history of the sport, pulled in 370k for his win. That was actually topped by former heavyweight champ Fabricio Werdum, who made 400k for 65 seconds of work.
One other notable thing is that Mark Godbeer, who was removed from the card at the last minute so Walt Harris could fight Werdum, was paid his show and win money, and will apparently be booked again at UFC 217.
Here’s a look at the full salaries via the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which totaled 2.178 million:
Main Card (PPV)
Tony Ferguson ($250,000 + $250,000 = $500,000) def. Kevin Lee ($250,000)
Demetrious Johnson ($370,000 + no win bonus = $370,000) def. Ray Borg ($100,000)
Fabricio Werdum ($275,000 + $125,000 = $400,000) def. Walt Harris ($28,000)
Mara Romero Borella ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Kalindra Faria ($12,000)
Beneil Dariush ($48,000) vs. Evan Dunham ($40,000)
Preliminary Card (FXX)
Cody Stamann ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Tom Duquesnoy ($23,000)
Bobby Green ($24,000) vs. Lando Vannata ($25,000)
Poliana Botelho ($10,000) def. Pearl Gonzalez ($10,000)
Matt Schnell ($10,000 + $10,000 = $20,000) def. Marco Beltran ($14,000)
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)
John Moraga ($34,000 + $34,000 = $68,000) def. Magomed Bibulatov ($17,000)
Brad Tavares ($37,000 + $37,000 = $74,000) def. Thales Leites ($57,000)
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UFC 216 salaries: Five fighters break $100,000 in 2.2 million dollar payroll
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/10/11/16462126/ufc-216-salaries-ferguson-vs-lee-2-million-mma-news
UFC 216 is in the books and while it wasn’t a huge card in terms of viewership (presumably), guys on the top of the card did make some decent money. Five fighters made over $100,000, with Tony Ferguson leading the way at a cool half million for his UFC interim lightweight title win over Kevin Lee.
Flyweight champion Demetrious Johnson, who pulled off one of the most insane submissions in the history of the sport, pulled in 370k for his win. That was actually topped by former heavyweight champ Fabricio Werdum, who made 400k for 65 seconds of work.
One other notable thing is that Mark Godbeer, who was removed from the card at the last minute so Walt Harris could fight Werdum, was paid his show and win money, and will apparently be booked again at UFC 217.
Here’s a look at the full salaries via the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which totaled 2.178 million:
Main Card (PPV)
Tony Ferguson ($250,000 + $250,000 = $500,000) def. Kevin Lee ($250,000)
Demetrious Johnson ($370,000 + no win bonus = $370,000) def. Ray Borg ($100,000)
Fabricio Werdum ($275,000 + $125,000 = $400,000) def. Walt Harris ($28,000)
Mara Romero Borella ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Kalindra Faria ($12,000)
Beneil Dariush ($48,000) vs. Evan Dunham ($40,000)
Preliminary Card (FXX)
Cody Stamann ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Tom Duquesnoy ($23,000)
Bobby Green ($24,000) vs. Lando Vannata ($25,000)
Poliana Botelho ($10,000) def. Pearl Gonzalez ($10,000)
Matt Schnell ($10,000 + $10,000 = $20,000) def. Marco Beltran ($14,000)
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)
John Moraga ($34,000 + $34,000 = $68,000) def. Magomed Bibulatov ($17,000)
Brad Tavares ($37,000 + $37,000 = $74,000) def. Thales Leites ($57,000)
Cheers this is useful.
Yep salaries lower down are a joke, they're far far worse in Bellator as well (I've seen 1k a fight etc there)
Fair play to likes of Lee for getting such a heavy upfront contract for the fight, I read his win bonus was pretty low so he did well there. In fairness some of the money in improving but hopefully it spreads throughout the card.
I look at the salaries after each event, some times they ca be as low as 10k
It does seem low considering they have to pay their team etc...
Does anyone know if the fighter has to pay for travel and hotels? In particular when they have to go abroad?
It does seem low considering they have to pay their team etc...
Does anyone know if the fighter has to pay for travel and hotels? In particular when they have to go abroad?
Anyone stepping in the octagon is a warrior/fighter by nature, imagine going through all that 3-4 times a year for $35-50k? You could get more than that stacking shelves in the UK. It's ridiculous really because it's not like we are watching the league 2/conference level ...UFC is the premier league of MMA.
The UFC pays for the fighter and a couple of their teams travel and expenses I read a while ago. Extra people though they have to pay for themselves (so the UFC might pay the fighter +3 or something and that's it)
$50k a year is £37,000....I don't know many shelf stackers making that kind of money!
I don't disagree the pay is a joke I said at much I just said it is improving at the top level and hopefully that eventually spreads itself across the card. People will always say ab out boxing though (not saying anyone has in this topic) but boxing pay is a bigger joke. You'll get a Mayweather paid $300-$500million and some people on them cards getting paid less than $10k as well.
UFC may be the premier league of MMA but they can't pay premier league wages unfortunately. They shouldn't of got rid of the sponsorship stuff which would of compensated for the shit pay.
Need to up your stacking game! Tbf I'm basing it on $35k being roughly £26k a year, which is achievable. The sponsorship stuff was the biggest blow for fighters.
I was thinking more of the ladies fight which was on the actual PPV portion of the card, where the loser made 12k. People actually paid $60 a person to watch the PPV card so its a bit strange how the UFC have such a lopsided payment scheme where one fighter on the card makes 50x what another does. They should have a minimum wage that is much higher than that imo. Maybe something in the 50k range
So that’s 36.66k PPV buys to cover this
Surely the ticket sales easily cover cost of hiring and running the arena for the week
Then TV deals with Fox and whoever
The take home by the UFC is far too high, I can see McGregor changing this when his current fight contract ends as he’ll want more and others will want more off the back of him wanting more
That is very genuinely disgraceful.
Great fight
RDA wants it for an interim belt....Woodley has fought 3 times in the last 12 months
if any division doesn't need an interim belt it's that 1!I don't know what it is about the RDA/Lawler fight. At first glance I should be excited, but I've largely forgotten about Lawler since he hasn't fought in a year and his stock has sort of gone down after Woodley took care of him, and RDA is entirely new to the division.
I enjoyed Lawler vs. Cerrone and think the break helped Lawler a lot (think fighters who fight straight after brutal KOs are ridiculous really.)
RDA looked great vs. Magny and also vs Ferguson in his last LW fight albeit the fight inbetween the 2 wasn't the best. I think it has potential to be entertaining I wouldn't get carried away and say 2 best in the division or whatever but they're both usually good entertainment.
ohhh snap!! challenge accepted?
ps. hopefully its not some Tony montana bullshit.
Looks like Conor has quite a stomach on him there.
maybe he still eating steaks for breakfast.
Some nice fights coming up!
Felder vs Iaquinta
Perry vs Ponzinibio
Aldo vs Lamas
I feel naive about not being suspicious of his comeback
Bleh
Bleh
If GSP is even half the fighter he left the sport as, he's going to make an absolute mess of Bisping's face with a gazillion safe jabs and then finish him on the ground when Bisping can barely open his swollen eyes.
It's not going to be pretty.
It's not going to be pretty.
Not sure if that will work since Bisping (i think) has a reach advantage which would neutralize any jab threat GSP is thinking about.
Bisping actually has a shorter reach than GSP - just by half an inch, mind. But even if he (Bisping) had a reach advantage, the GSP who left the UFC had the best jab in the sport, which would easily work through Bisping's [poor] defense.
Even if he's not the same fighter he left as, his boxing should still be superior. The question I have is by how much. IF he's still got it, he'll make mincemeat of Bisping with an endless stream of jabs to the eye area...
I've a feeling Bisping will rush in rather than stay at range. especially so once GSP has him comprehend the gulf between their hands. Grappling with GSP will be a fast-track to a submission.
FFS...here we go again....
I can't stand McGregor. Yet I hope he f*cking annihilates Ferguson.
It would be a hell of a fight. Conor's boxing is far superior, but Tony's ground game and cardio are significantly better. Conor would basically have to knock him out in the first couple of rounds or else risk gassing later on like Lee did.
Ferguson is such a fecking weirdo....
I like Ferguson’s reply. It’s brilliant
People who never played the GTA games wont get either tweet
People who never played the GTA games wont get either tweet
one thing that won't be superior is GSP 's boxing imo. He has many elements to his skillset that are better than Bisping but boxing isn't one of them. Bisping has great movement, a lot of people use the Koschek fight as proof that GSP is an elite striker. In that fight his jab was awesome, but he was fighting Koschek, he's a wrestler, granted he had a good ko punch on him, but he wasn't an elite boxer, no head or feet movement. Bisping won't be standing still letting GSP jab the face of him. Bisping stamina is excellent, not that GSP isn't but he's moving up in weight, I feel Bisping stays at range in the hope that GSP tires in latter rounds. Don't under estimate the effect of moving up in weight class. GSP has faced hard punchers in the past, but it a whole different ball game with the extra weight and height thrown in. plus he's been out of action for a long time. If it stays on the feet I think Bisping wins, if it goes to the ground GSP has a chance, although Bisping does have good take down defence.
That's an interesting take. We're both obviously predicating on GSP being anything like the fighter he left the octagon as - could be a huge letdown if he's way off the pace and ring rust completely overshadows the actual contest.
You're right about Koschek, but a better example of GSP having great hands against a MMA fighter with hands or repute is the Nick Diaz fight. He shot the jab right down the channel repeatedly in that fight and Diaz couldn't do anything about it. Diaz got frustrated and ended up trying to goad GSP with the verbals because he couldn't make head nor tail of being jabbed, kicked on the lead leg and the reaction take downs. And about movement, how his jab bothered Condit has merit with regard to Bisping.
Bisping doesn't use his face to block like Diaz, but he is massively prone to being hit in the face because his head movement (timing) and reactions aren't great nor is his shot(punch) selection. He's also prone to wanting to go to war after getting tagged a few times, and if he stands flat-footed giving it the machismo against GSP, he's getting shot at and from that position I think it's highly unlikely he can prevent GSP from putting him on his back.
I don't know if you've seen any of the press conferences between these two? If you have, you will have heard Bisping telling GSP to 'fight him like a man' and 'only pussies who are scared to fight want to wrestle and go to ground'. In turn, GSP has said he might not have the power, but that he has many ways to unsettle Bisping. Bisping has also tried to make it clear he has been training his take down defence to stop the 'predictable' jab, jab, shoot he's tried to get into GSP's mind with. It's one thing talking about it, it's another to have either the skill or the timing to prevent it (assuming GSP is the same level). I don't think Bisping can stop GSP setting him up with endless jabs and then doing a reactive counter-move in accordance with what Bisping reacts with.
Bisping wants to bang, GSP will do anything but, and then Bisping will make the mistakes that GSP will exploit. That thing about tiring - I don't think that will happen in terms of direct gassing. GSP is neurotic and obsessive in his preparation and he will have worked himself to that weight in a way probably no other UFC would want to match. The guy always had a fantastic tank and his energy conversation in-fight is superb. So superb that he's called a boring fighter. Throwing out jabs, low kicks and reaction shots into ground-mauling in his pragmatic fashion - he can do that all day. What it would take for him to tire is Bisping actually landing some blows to the body or making GSP work by bypassing his jab. Not sure how either of those things happen unless GSP is not the fighter he was as either of those choices put Bisping in grappling territory, which is basically handing the fight to GSP especially so with how much of an opportunist he is.
Bisping said the only reason why GSP wanted to take this fight over others that were on the table was because he felt like Bisping was the easiest pickings of the lot. I agree with him. IF GSP is the fighter he was, he's better than Bisping at everything except one-hit power and being tall and big. I really think he's going to frustrate the life out of Bisping and Bisping being a 'man's man' is going to fall into the trap, exasperation will take hold like it does to so many as GSP demoralises and then puts them away.