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cyberman said:
Nate is a zombie who can box though. Tony stands with no head movement, he keeps it centre when he throws a punch.
Nate is better than Tony in the one or two things that Nate needed to beat Conor, even then Conor adapted and won the rematch.
I say this as a Tony fan but I knew Kevin would look good on the fight tonight, I'm even seeing quotes about how much Kevin has improved. Its all so predictable since Tony is stupidly hittable.
I don't even think the fight would go down like Nate, it would be a methodical display lala Alvarez with Conor pacing himself since he wouldn't need to work as hard to
A) find the openings
B) need the volume of punches to make a dent.
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I can see Conor pacing himself and fighting for points, get ahead early and catch Tony coming in when he's forced to chase the fight.
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Alvarez has zero reach is a shit overrated brawler. If he fights Gaethje, then yeah, it would be exactly that.

But Tony "dwarfes" Conor as much as Nate does. He could jab him for fun... and if he gets hit, it wouldn't be a full punch like he can deliver to guys like Chad Mendes. Conor is the best at destroying guys when he has the reach advantage, that's his signature.

To have Conor as favourite against a guy with a 10 winning streak in the hardest division of all, is just silly.


edit. anything can happen in a fight. Not saying Conor couldn't defeat Tony... of course he could, but personally i wouldn't favourite him against several lightweight fighters.

I hope the fight gets done so we know for sure.
 
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But Nate didn't beat Conor by reach advantage since Conor hit him at will and countered everything until he gassed. Nate won by having a chin of granite which negates his defensive flaws and being a highly skilled boxer coming forward.
Again Im a huge Tony fan but Conor simply doesn't lose v poor strikers since he caught his stride.
Id also say its ridiculous to claim a fighter whose main gameplan will be to survive the first 2/3 round onslaught as favourite.
Tony is world class but he is in a division that has a terrible boxing standard imo. It really is poor.
 
Good card. Enjoyed that. Good win for Ferguson although he leaves his chin exposed like he did tonight whenever he throws a punch, McGregor knocks him out early in that fight. He looked like a novice at times with how he was so open. It's ok being a top level wrestler n submission guy but when u get hit by a top level striker esp when u leave ur chin so exposed, not good.
 
Just watched the replay of the armbar by Mighty Mouse....wow...it was incredible.

I think the next fight will have to be Ferguson vs McGregor. I'm pretty sure McGregor will take it too as he isn't one to shy away from a fight. Maybe if he wins that he will do the trilogy with Diaz for the belt.
 
Mighty Mouse literally performing moves that will force the programmers and animators of the next UFC game to create an independent move for him.

That's the most spectacular move I've seen in all the years of watching UFC, supersede even Pettis' movie kick off the fence vs Henderson. Incredible.
 
Vato said:
This way his boy Khabib gets a title shot. Which honestly, he deserves aswell. Just stay off the tiramisu.
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He definitely doesn't. The only person who deserves the shot is Ferguson.

Khabib is an inactive fighter and has had injury and weight problems, doesn't fight certain times of year cos of Ramadan and Ferguson has a much more impressive CV.

The ufc will try and spin them fights though I imagine when the reality is Diaz should he no where near a title shot.

If they really want to justify something like that do Ferguson vs Conor and Diaz vs Khabib.
 
George Owen said:
feck that!

The only fight is Conor vs Tony. Defend or vacate motherfecker. :D
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It's the fight that needs to happen.

I agree that Ferguson get's hit a lot. I've mentioned it many times before and brought it up yesterday before the fight. Conor would stand a chance of finishing him in the opening rounds (although Ferguson has never been knocked out). That said, like I also said yesterday, people love to focus on how wrestling is the weakness for Conor but ignore how he's not actually too dissimilar to Ferguson in that his stance and stand up defence leaves him wide open a lot of the time. He's also very suspect to getting hit. Very tough one to predict.

That has all the makings of a truly great fight.
 
Dana said there's no chance Diaz fights McGregor for the title, it'll be Ferguson/Conor. Let's see if he goes back on that very soon :lol:

Cyborg/Holm close to being made too.
 
JP77 said:
Dana said there's no chance Diaz fights McGregor for the title, it'll be Ferguson/Conor. Let's see if he goes back on that very soon :lol:

Cyborg/Holm close to being made too.
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It's probably a negotiating tactic with Diaz who will be asking for loads.

Whilst Diaz vs Mcgregor prob does more buys the money they save paying Ferguson instead of Diaz would be better option and may help them generate another PPV name with Ferguson who would fight a lot more than Nate if he won.
 
Raoul said:
DC is insane - suggesting Conor should fight Nate again before he fights Ferguson. And in the interim, Ferguson should fight Khabib.
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I didn’t see that as his point to be fair to DC

Was more that McGregor calls the shots and fights who he wants, and that he’ll fight Diaz as it pays most
 
Want to see DJ move up now

Nothing else to do now in that division. I think his finish should go down as one of the best subs of all time

As has been said, McGregor can have a lot of joy in the expending rounds against Ferguson. But if it goes longer than 3 rounds you would have to fancy Ferguson

Fair fecks to Walt Harris for taking that fight...but Jesus it sure it did him any good at all
 
Randall Flagg said:
Want to see DJ move up now

Nothing else to do now in that division. I think his finish should go down as one of the best subs of all time

As has been said, McGregor can have a lot of joy in the expending rounds against Ferguson. But if it goes longer than 3 rounds you would have to fancy Ferguson

Fair fecks to Walt Harris for taking that fight...but Jesus it sure it did him any good at all
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I'd like to see TJ or Cody move down to fight him rather than him move up personally.

He's the pound for pound great, possibly best fighter of all time and people should be coming to his division really. I'm sure they've both said they'd make the weight (TJ defo has)

Agree fair play to Walt Harris. He was never gonna win but it got him some exposure, not in terms of performance obviously but to go fight one of the best heavyweights on a few hours notice takes bollocks.
 
George Owen said:
Alvarez has zero reach is a shit overrated brawler. If he fights Gaethje, then yeah, it would be exactly that.

But Tony "dwarfes" Conor as much as Nate does. He could jab him for fun... and if he gets hit, it wouldn't be a full punch like he can deliver to guys like Chad Mendes. Conor is the best at destroying guys when he has the reach advantage, that's his signature.

To have Conor as favourite against a guy with a 10 winning streak in the hardest division of all, is just silly.


edit. anything can happen in a fight. Not saying Conor couldn't defeat Tony... of course he could, but personally i wouldn't favourite him against several lightweight fighters.

I hope the fight gets done so we know for sure.
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Nate got dropped 3 times. Ferguson is even more hittable. He'll have to survive the heavy shots he'll eat in the first 2 rounds and hope Conor gasses (which he probably would from what we've seen). Still make Conor favourite for finish by early KO.

Kevin Lee is probably a tougher match up for Mcgregor, he could put him on his back and take away everything Conor's good at.

I also think Khabib is favourite against Tony based on what we seen tonight, Lee was able to take him down a few times, and landed some vicious GnP.
 
I enjoyed the card last night. That finish from DJ was like something straight out of a video game. Suplex to armbar in mid air :drool: Ferguson v Lee went pretty much the way I expected it to go. Lee put in a good performance and had Ferguson in a bit of trouble towards the end of the first round. He had success with his takedowns which I expected, Lee is an excellent wrestler. But in the end Ferguson just had too much for him and got a nice submission win. Fair play to Lee for fighting on with a staph infection too.

Now I can't fecking wait for McGregor v Ferguson. It better happen!
 
I don’t know how a Tony v Khabib fight would play out. Against Lee, it was obvious that Tony’s strategy was to allow Lee the first round so he would gas himself out to where Tony’s cardio would take over in later.
 
Raoul said:
I don’t know how a Tony v Khabib fight would play out. Against Lee, it was obvious that Tony’s strategy was to allow Lee the first round so he would gas himself out to where Tony’s cardio would take over in later.
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Tony was a lot more patient than usual, but his plan wouldn't have been to get mounted and eat all those heavy shots, no chance.

I imagine the fight would be Khabib dominating the first 2 or 3 with takedowns and GnP, and if he doesn't get the finish, then it becomes a question of Khabib's cardio. We know he has a tough weight cut and has never gone 5 so it could be an issue.
 
Excellent performance and finish from DJ. That's exactly what he needed. I feel like his stock definitely rising finally.

Kevin Lee was doing well in the early rounds until he seemed to just give it away (fatigue undoubtedly a factor). You could see that triangle coming from a mile off. Don't think Ferguson put in his best performance by a long shot, but looking forward to hopefully seeing him fight Conor.
 
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Oggmonster said:
Dana saying it's McGregor vs. Ferguson makes me more confident than ever it will be McGregor vs. Diaz 3!
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I think Dana is incentivized to go for the big money fight. Previously that may have been a 3rd fight between Nate and Conor, but now with Ferguson's ascent as the best fighter in that division not named Conor, I think the money fight would actually be Conor v Ferguson, which is why I think Dana supports it.

Also, I don't think the Diaz brothers are in good standing with Dana at the moment since they are both petulantly refusing to fight unless its a big money fight, which of course won't fly with Dana.
 
Wasn't the idea of a Khabib/McGregor fight being pushed before Diaz/McGregor II? I seem to remember both Diaz and later Khabib saying that the latter was used by the UFC as a bargaining tool against Diaz.

My first thought on hearing Dana's comments were that Ferguson was being used in a similar way as Diaz will undoubtedly be demanding a fortune for a third fight. Maybe I'm wrong though.
 
sullydnl said:
Wasn't the idea of a Khabib/McGregor fight being pushed before Diaz/McGregor II? I seem to remember both Diaz and later Khabib saying that the latter was used by the UFC as a bargaining tool against Diaz.

My first thought on hearing Dana's comments were that Ferguson was being used in a similar way as Diaz will undoubtedly be demanding a fortune for a third fight. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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No it was during the Eddie Alvarez fight. Dana said Khabib will get the next shot, forcing McGregor to sign quicker.
 
Raoul said:
I think Dana is incentivized to go for the big money fight. Previously that may have been a 3rd fight between Nate and Conor, but now with Ferguson's ascent as the best fighter in that division not named Conor, I think the money fight would actually be Conor v Ferguson, which is why I think Dana supports it.

Also, I don't think the Diaz brothers are in good standing with Dana at the moment since they are both petulantly refusing to fight unless its a big money fight, which of course won't fly with Dana.
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I agree and have said the same in the past, the Diaz brothers aren't exactly very easy to deal with and I personally think they overestimate their popularity. IF these PPV numbers come back and aren't great though then I wouldn't be surprised to see Dana change his tune again and do McGregor vs. Diaz 3.

My personal opinion is whoever Conor fights sells, Diaz probably adds a few more buys but Conor is the star attraction. The build up to Ferguson vs. McGregor could be very good as well due to the personalties which may make up the numbers. Not sure the UFC thinks that long term at the moment though!
 
Oggmonster said:
I agree and have said the same in the past, the Diaz brothers aren't exactly very easy to deal with and I personally think they overestimate their popularity. IF these PPV numbers come back and aren't great though then I wouldn't be surprised to see Dana change his tune again and do McGregor vs. Diaz 3.

My personal opinion is whoever Conor fights sells, Diaz probably adds a few more buys but Conor is the star attraction. The build up to Ferguson vs. McGregor could be very good as well due to the personalties which may make up the numbers. Not sure the UFC thinks that long term at the moment though!
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True. And the reality for Conor is that he really doesn't have to fight any more. I'm sure there will be more and more pressure for him to walk away in the coming year or two from his girlfriend/family, especially as he's now making money elsewhere. I'd imagine he is probably worth about $150-200m at this point, and at 29, he could easily do one or two more big money fights then walk away and do something completely different - either acting, promoting MMA/Boxing, commercials etc.
 
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True. And the reality for Conor is that he really doesn't have to fight any more. I'm sure there will be more and more pressure for him to walk away in the coming year or two from his girlfriend/family, especially as he's now making money elsewhere. I'd imagine he is probably worth about $150-200m at this point, and at 29, he could easily do one or two more big money fights then walk away and do something completely different - either acting, promoting MMA/Boxing, commercials etc.
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Or WWE. Reports today that he is in talks with regard to performing a match at Wrestlemania next year.
 
Seems Dana White can't go more than a couple of days without a controversy....



markhuntfighter@danawhite u peice of shit motherfuker why u feckers pull me from the fight u getting another lawsuit u feckwit u can kiss my ass u bald headed prick u put that chicken shit bitch in get fecked cocksucker

 
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Raoul said:
Seems Dana White can't go more than a couple of days without a controversy....



markhuntfighter@danawhite u peice of shit motherfuker why u feckers pull me from the fight u getting another lawsuit u feckwit u can kiss my ass u bald headed prick u put that chicken shit bitch in get fecked cocksucker

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Gutted for Hunt but he did pen an article here where he made some worrying admissions about his health:

Sometimes I don’t sleep well. You can hear me starting to stutter and slur my words. My memory is not that good anymore. I’ll forget something I did yesterday but I can remember the shit I did years and years ago. That’s just the price I’ve paid – the price of being a fighter
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The UFC and the various regulatory commissions are left in a bit of a tight spot with something like that in the public domain, as another guy wrote rather convincingly in this article way before this cancellation news broke. That said, Hunt himself is saying now that he passed medical tests a few days ago, and the fact that he's got a law suit going against the company already certainly muddies the waters as regards the UFC's motivations here.
 
cyberman said:
@George Owen
But Nate didn't beat Conor by reach advantage since Conor hit him at will and countered everything until he gassed. Nate won by having a chin of granite which negates his defensive flaws and being a highly skilled boxer coming forward.
Again Im a huge Tony fan but Conor simply doesn't lose v poor strikers since he caught his stride.
Id also say its ridiculous to claim a fighter whose main gameplan will be to survive the first 2/3 round onslaught as favourite.
Tony is world class but he is in a division that has a terrible boxing standard imo. It really is poor.
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Nate is also a journeyman, who has no business being ranked in the top 10.

Who arguably beat Conor in the second fight as well it was that close.

Tony is far more athletic than Conor, he's a crazy dynamic dude. It's a real challenge for McGoats.
 
Nucks said:
Nate is also a journeyman, who has no business being ranked in the top 10.

Who arguably beat Conor in the second fight as well it was that close.

Tony is far more athletic than Conor, he's a crazy dynamic dude. It's a real challenge for McGoats.
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I agree with the first part to an extent but Nate should definitely be ranked in the Top 10. Name 10 better lightweights currently in the UFC.

Re the Hunt stuff it's hardly surprising is it. He gave an interview saying he suffers from memory loss etc, it's the right thing to do really and is protecting his health long term (albeit I imagine he's fecked anyway long term.)
 
@Nucks
Styles makes fights though, Tony is an inferior boxer to Nate while Nate is just as good on the ground imo.
We see this all the time with Conor, the next fighter will create all these problems but, apart from Nate, nobody has even given him a challenge.
In my eyes the only way Tony beats Conor is If Conor never fought Nate. Tony doesn't see round 3 if he was in Nates place imo.
Conor has worked on combating that style for almost a year then he trained boxing for 8 months which is Tonys biggest weakness.
Its a perfect freak of a storm in Conors favour.
 
Anyone catch Kevin Lee's post fight presser where he said he's having difficulty making 155 weight cuts because he's added a bit of muscle ? Seems he's thinking of moving and was talking up the need for a 165 division.

That would be a bad move imo as half the fighters currently at 155 would likely move up and deplete the 155 division.
 
Raoul said:
Anyone catch Kevin Lee's post fight presser where he said he's having difficulty making 155 weight cuts because he's added a bit of muscle ? Seems he's thinking of moving and was talking up the need for a 165 division.

That would be a bad move imo as half the fighters currently at 155 would likely move up and deplete the 155 division.
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I think there is a need for a couple more weight classes and 165 is one of them. If people move up surely that's better in the long run for the sport? Why have 2 people who are similar weight starve themselves and have health issues to make 155 when they both comfortably make 165?

I don't think it works in every division to split them unfortunately but 155 (and 170) is full of good talent that could make a 165 division interesting.
 
Oggmonster said:
I think there is a need for a couple more weight classes and 165 is one of them. If people move up surely that's better in the long run for the sport? Why have 2 people who are similar weight starve themselves and have health issues to make 155 when they both comfortably make 165?

I don't think it works in every division to split them unfortunately but 155 (and 170) is full of good talent that could make a 165 division interesting.
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I suppose it depends if most fighters leave 155 to go to 165 (Conor, Nate, Khabib, Lee, would probably leave) then whether there are enough quality fighters to sustain the 155 div. There aren't enough quality fighters at 145 who would populate 155 if they lose most of their good fighters. 145 as it is, is pretty weak at the moment imo.
 
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